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maxuscz

03-13-2002, 04:40 PM

Now I read about very interesting thing USA people don't must pay tax <a href="http://www.save-a-patriot.org/" target="_blank">http://www.save-a-patriot.org/</a> Read this info and tell something about this. I'm shocked <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

AgentCash

03-13-2002, 05:03 PM

Absolutely! You don't have to pay any taxes, plus they'll even give you free room and board for more than 5 years! Lets just all stop paying taxes and maybe if we get lucky we'll be able to trade our sons & daughters for a donkey or a few cows. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> <a href="http://www.ustreas.gov/irs/ci/tax_fraud/docnonfilers.htm" target="_blank">http://www.ustreas.gov/irs/ci/tax_fraud/docnonfilers.htm</a>

maxuscz

03-13-2002, 05:54 PM

AgentCash, I know this - i'm from former USSR and I know what BIG GUYS can do 8) I talk about other People from <a href="http://www.save-a-patriot.org/" target="_blank">http://www.save-a-patriot.org/</a> talk - dosn't exist law, where you can read: All american citizens must pay taxes.

toker

03-13-2002, 07:05 PM

Did you know if you dont work you can be thrown in jail for many reasons?? Dont believe all the shit on the internet. These sites are put up by loosers who live in cardboard boxes and connect to the internet from the local library. Yes its totally fact you can be put in jail for living on the streets, digging in dumpsters, begging for money and for being a bum. Dont believe me just check the statues where you live most all these things fall under trespassing, loitering, theft and various other laws. IF you are a convicted felon or are on probation and do not remain gainfully employed you can be put in jail for violation of probation. The government does not do this for their benifit they want people to work and be able to support themselves thats what its all about. When you have jails and prisons loaded up with guys leeching off the system tax paysers foot the bill. The same police officers and prison guards are supporting the same prisoners that every other tax payer is supporting. You can try to beat the system but in the long run your hurting yourself and your own family. I could give a shit about other countries but i will not sit back and support all the foreigners who enter this country to have a free ride. If you truly need welfair then so be it but the moment you can get off you lazy fat ass and make your own way you dam well better. Otherwise you deserve to be labled a worthless piece of shit and have no reason to be upset when your kids get a shity education and live in the projects.

WiredGuy

03-13-2002, 08:01 PM

Well said Toker. WG

matuloo

03-13-2002, 08:27 PM

Well Maxus - according to your signature you are from CA, which means - at least to my best knowledge - you come from Czech Republic. Lter on you say you come from "former USSr" so what kind of bullshit are you trying to push here ? You better recognize what the fuck goes up and down in your mind or just fuck off... Or did you think we are stupid enough to believe CZ is former USSR??? <img border="0" alt="[Finger]" title="" src="graemlins/finger.gif" />

matuloo

03-13-2002, 08:28 PM

Ok I made a mistake according to your signature you are from CA it should have been "CZ" No one is perfect <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

matuloo

03-13-2002, 08:39 PM

And as per Toker - I believe you are in US so I cant speak for your country, but I can speak for my own coutnry and I can tell you it is pretty fucked up, and in the end its probably the same in most countries - as well as in US : Who the fuck has the right to touch my hard earned money??? Why the hell do I have to support all those fucking lazy idiots not willing to work??? (I am not talking about people that really need it from one reason or another) I really dont understand the system some days - I have to pay almost the third of my money to the govt, and what for? Just to get a ticket for driving fast, or to behave "unaceptable" ? If someone steals something from my house I have to wait a whole month just to be told that the case is unsolvable. When some of my friends gets shot - yeah 3 months to be told they cant find the fucker who did it. I can tell you one thing .... One BIG FUCK YOU TO ANY GOVERNMENT !!!! Offshores are the way to go, and then they can lick my ass all the way long... I am not gonna support idiots claiming to be able to protect my beliefs, assets, interrests ... whatever, and in the end their not able to do a blank stinky shit!!! Governments SUCKS !!! Dont take it personally Toker, it was not aimed towards you, I just felt like I have to throw my anger somewhere <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

AgentCash

03-13-2002, 08:48 PM

Hey matuloo, wanna buy a camel?

toker

03-14-2002, 01:29 AM

How many innocent men sit on death row for crimes they never comitted?? We you can just let everyone go and same for poor people you have even rich people who abuse the system because they are greedy bastards. So do we let the hungry people starve do we punish children in foster homes because their mother was a crackhead and abandoned them? Should we tell the bums to get a job? Well who is going to hire a smelly dirty bum? Maybe you have a misfortune tomorrow get hurt and loose your home because you cant pay and get left on the street. What if your child was kidnapped or lost and you had no police to even try to search? Who should pay the police and military to defend our homes and family? How should police get paid to feed themselves and their family or should they work a real job and play cop as a hobby? I mean some people just need to open their eyes to reality sure it sux to work your ass off and hav the gov take a chunk. If you worked a "real job" it would come directly from your check in most cases. Maybe employers should pay us less and just pay more to the gov so we dont miss the money they take? Maybe they should raise minimum wage another 11% and jack taxes another 10% so we feel like were getting to keep more? Its really up to you to succeed not everyone has to cheat to make it in life. I have met really poor people come from other countries like Cuba with not a dime and turn around to buld a wonderful life. Matter fact that happend to one of my friends father who came here with only clothing on his back from Cuba. Now the man owns a nice resturant with 3 other guys who all came here with jack and saved every penny. Now he bought a house for $450k 2 years ago. Not bad if you ask me but he worked his butt off no government help no food stamps just hard honest work. He pays taxes and still seems to be able to live good so it can be done you just have to save and not blow your money in the strip clubs every weekend. <img border="0" alt="[Nod]" title="" src="graemlins/nod.gif" />

joshtj4

03-14-2002, 02:47 AM

matuloo, Ya the government sucks when your family is getting robbed or is in trouble who do you call? you call the police <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

maxuscz

03-14-2002, 11:52 AM

hey matuloo!! <img border="0" alt="[Finger]" title="" src="graemlins/finger.gif" /> >Or did you think we are stupid enough to believe >CZ is former USSR??? who talk about this? - Only you I'm from former USSR. If you don't understand something - you can ask me. I live in Czech Republic and I'm "Maxus from Cz". It's cear now?? If you nicname is MATULOO it's mean you from Zimbabwe or New Zeland ?? To all: I read this info in one big russian magazine. It's not yellow newspaper. And I only ask you it's TRUTH or NO. (I can't read USA law - english don't my native language) I know about USA system -it's same Soviet system but USA have more money 8)) We pay tax and government give this money to stupid bustards who don't like work or send spaceship to moon and deliver back 5 kg moon stones. (one different - my government haven't money for homeless)

Ace

03-14-2002, 12:05 PM

Where do you think roads come from for example? Or who pays for healthcare, police, electricity, water? You think that all comes free? Pay taxes and stop complaining.

maxuscz

03-14-2002, 12:46 PM

People, please stop learn me what is good and what is bad I know about police, roads and other thing..... Tell me simple: Yes, I read this law - and i read "American people musta pay taxes" I don't know I don't read this law I never read law Now i tell you something and all can see - I 'm realy clever or If BIG GUYS tell me - Pay 80% - I need pay

AgentCash

03-14-2002, 01:43 PM

Maxus, Americans must pay taxes. It's the law. The more money you make, the more you must pay. Many rich people find loopholes to get out of paying so much taxes. We also must pay taxes (in most states) to the state also, plus there is tax on any item you buy. For example, lets say I make $50,000 this year, and for the sake of simple math I won't include deductions. We take $50,000 and for someone self-employed, multiply it by .9235 = $46,175. Then multiply that by .153 = $7064.78. That is our self-employment tax, going to Social Security & Medicare, stuff like that. We get to deduct half of the self-employment tax so $46,175 - $3532.39 $42,642.61. Then lets say we take the standard head of household deduction of $6650 plus the $2900 deduction as our own dependent $42641.61 - $9550 = $33,092.61 That's our taxable income. We find that in a tax table, a listing of taxes owed and our income tax due is $5,714. I'm not even onna mess with the state taxes, but I've noticed mine (here in California) stay around 80-90% of Federal. So that's another say $5G's. Then lets say you spend 75% of your taxable income in a city with a sales tax of 8%. That's $1985.56 in additional taxes. So to sum it all up $7064.78 SEP + $5714 FED + $5000 STATE + $1985.56 SALES = $19,764.34 in taxes. That's about 39.52% of our income. Now I left out a shitload of things you can do to reduce your taxes, but that should give you a general idea. ::Whew!::

AgentCash

03-14-2002, 01:45 PM

Just noticed a mistake in my figures... I should have taken the deductions out of $50,000 instead of $46,175... So even more taxes <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

matuloo

03-14-2002, 03:12 PM

Well, people, I didnt want to say that I am not willing to pay any tax at all. Its just too much in my opinion, and it really makes you sick sometimes when the govt in your country is totally screwed up and unable to fill their promises, yet they are fucked up enough to claim up to 40% of my net income and they apply as much regulations as possible to make it harder to deduct some expenses. Not mentioning crap like VAT, Consumer Tax, Tax on petrol, alcohol cigarettes etc etc... I have read a studdy and considering all the taxes one has to pay, a family consisting of 2 employed people - earning $2.500 per month end up paying $1500 in taxes!!! Now tell me if this is not fucked up? I am willing to pay some acceptable taxes, but what I have to pay now is unaceptable.

Serpent

03-14-2002, 04:57 PM

People have been brainwashed by the government and anyone who really wants to know the truth about why there are so many problems now a days can just go back and learn history as you weren't taught in school except maybe univerty history studies. Quick overview: Governments gave the power to issue new money to banks instead of keeping it for themselves. Having kept this power would mean the government never lacks any money for implanting social services. Right now, governments are borrowing money from banks at a super high interest rate. So high that the national debt can NEVER be paid back. The money you pay in taxes only pays a very small percentage of that interest, nothing more, and the government still continues to borrow. Our whole conception of finances are wrong. Inflation would not even exist if governments kept the power to issue money because everytime they would issue new money for example to build a new hospital, there would be a real tangible value behing that money. Today's financial problems are caused by the fact that when you go to the bank for a loan, or the government borrows from the banks, you borrow money that doesn't even exist, that is only numbers in computers so this money has NO VALUE AT ALL BEHIND IT. That is why the government taxes you to prevent that money from losing value too fast (inflation). Meanwhile, thousands of people are living border line poverty levels while international banks are richer than Canada and USA combined. I swear that if everyone took the time to educate themselves and knew the real truth, there would be a revolution tommorow.

maxuscz

03-14-2002, 05:58 PM

About taxes I open bank account in Czech Republic for offshore company. All operation via Internet or fax. And I don't pay any taxes. And bank don't ask me where from this money. But if asked - I can tell him "It's help from my friend" or "something else". This country havent agreement with other country about "suspect accounts". If you need help - tell me <img border="0" alt="[Nod]" title="" src="graemlins/nod.gif" />

playa

03-14-2002, 06:23 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Maxus form CZ: About taxes I open bank account in Czech Republic for offshore company. All operation via Internet or fax. And I don't pay any taxes. And bank don't ask me where from this money. But if asked - I can tell him "It's help from my friend" or "something else". This country havent agreement with other country about "suspect accounts". If you need help - tell me <img border="0" alt="[Nod]" title="" src="graemlins/nod.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>this stuff really doesn't work to well in the US,,, we have this thing called credit history,,,its really hard getting anything without a good credit history,,,, and its real difficult to explain how you can buy a 200k house and a 30k car with cash,,, IRS gets very suspicious,,, they might not catch you now or later,, but they have 7 years to collect

playa

03-14-2002, 06:33 PM

serpent you really sound like a damn shithouse lawyer, tell that shit to the judge in your court case for tax evasion,, if i pay taxes you best believe everyone else better,,, instead of focusing on how to get over on the system you should focus on how to make legal deductions to save money on taxes,,or better yet write a letter to your political representative or make up a signed petition,,

AgentCash

03-14-2002, 06:36 PM

Hey Serpent, wanna buy a camel?

Jorge

03-14-2002, 06:59 PM

OK, I bite. @ Maxus The system is the same here, almost 100 per cent identical, may be even more tight. Maxus only has not realized it yet. "Opening account here for offshore company. Nobody asks questions etc. No agreements concerning money laundering with other countries ..." Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit. You only do not know what is behind curtains. ALL suspicious operations (ANY amount, regardless it is $10 or $1,000,000) are screened. All operations are archived for many years, etc. If you think, that telling a bank clerk it is "from a friend" prevents that, you will see, you are wrong very quickly. Moving from Kazakhstan here was one of the smartest thing, you could do in your life. Let me remind you, if you commit ANY type of crime within 5 years since you have gotten visa , customs send you back home immediately. So start paying taxes, stop talking bullshit. @ serpent ... concerning inflation, national debt, different types of money issue ... Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit. I do not want to offend you but you´d better read something about it ... You are clearly talking about something you have no idea how it works.

Serpent

03-14-2002, 07:08 PM

lol i m no lawyer. My point is simply that if everyone continues to think we are below the government nothing can change. And here in canada, the supreme court of canada recognized that the income tax act is unconstitutional back in 1950. The government was supposed to have till 1962 to stop that. Never happened but now if they try to bring you in court for tax evasion, you only have to bring up court decision T2020-88 and they have to let you go. Canadians may look at this website to learn more about legally not paying taxes <a href="http://www.taxrefusal.com" target="_blank">http://www.taxrefusal.com</a> or just do a search on google for decision T2020-88 and you'll learn lots of interesting stuff. And yeah, lots of people go to jail for tax evasion but none go for legal tax withdrawal. Inform yourself and you'll see it's all government propaganda.

Serpent

03-14-2002, 07:16 PM

Well jorge, if it's not how it works tell me where have you learn it's otherwise and how is it otherwise? Unless you studied the facts by yourself and from legally recognized sources (not a history book), you most likely are under the influence of government mind manipulation. I just can't believe how people still back the government when the government has given all its real power to banks. What you pay in taxes is all going to banks, trying to keep up with interest rate but it's impossible to do so.

Serpent

03-16-2002, 01:09 PM

Well, no answer?

AgentCash

03-16-2002, 01:14 PM

Wanna buy a camel?

Serpent

03-19-2002, 01:37 PM

Nah, you can keep the camel, I'll buy a nice car with my legaly not paid taxes <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

AgentCash

03-19-2002, 02:00 PM

That's odd, I figured a camel-fucker such as yourself would jump at the chance to buy a camel.

Jorge

03-19-2002, 02:38 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Serpent: Well jorge, if it's not how it works tell me where have you learn it's otherwise and how is it otherwise? Unless you studied the facts by yourself and from legally recognized sources (not a history book), you most likely are under the influence of government mind manipulation. I just can't believe how people still back the government when the government has given all its real power to banks. What you pay in taxes is all going to banks, trying to keep up with interest rate but it's impossible to do so.<hr /></blockquote>Since you asked, I have added some quick notes ... Quick overview: Governments gave the power to issue new money to banks instead of keeping it for themselves. Having kept this power would mean the government never lacks any money for implanting social services. Bullshit #1 Governments (sovereign) were able to issue money until there was a natural limit - scarce resources like gold or silver (pebbles, sheepskin during ancient times). Even during these times sovereings cheated on this system, and they were lowering share of gold / silver in coins ... EXACTLY the same situation happened when "goverments" were issuing cash - "paper money" - there was no limit, and it led to inflation, hyperinflation, and inevitable to state bankruptcy. etc. Right now, governments are borrowing money from banks at a super high interest rate. So high that the national debt can NEVER be paid back. The money you pay in taxes only pays a very small percentage of that interest, nothing more, and the government still continues to borrow. Bullshit #2 There is a lot of theories concerning interest rates. Almost all of them work with two variables - inflation rate, and risk rate. Inflation rate is the same number for all individuals within an economy. Risk rate varies. State bodies - governmments - ALWAYS have the lowest risk rate within economy. I wish I got the same rates like goverment! National debt - again it varies in different countries. You must always look at the other side of balance sheet, which assets were financed from that. Some European countries (Greece, Belgium) have incredible high indebtedness rate, and pay as much as 25 per cent of national budget. Our whole conception of finances are wrong. Inflation would not even exist if governments kept the power to issue money because everytime they would issue new money for example to build a new hospital, there would be a real tangible value behing that money. Bullshit #3 Look at bullshit #1. Each country is able to spend as much as it produces, each family is able to spend as much as it earns, each individual ... The concept you are suggesting is called "money printing" - and leads to the same results - hyperinflation, and universal poverty. There would be NO tangible behind that money. Today's financial problems are caused by the fact that when you go to the bank for a loan, or the government borrows from the banks, you borrow money that doesn't even exist, that is only numbers in computers so this money has NO VALUE AT ALL BEHIND IT. That is why the government taxes you to prevent that money from losing value too fast (inflation). Meanwhile, thousands of people are living border line poverty levels while international banks are richer than Canada and USA combined. I swear that if everyone took the time to educate themselves and knew the real truth, there would be a revolution tommorow. # following flow of bullshits That´s why I suggested to read first, and then post. I can understand that the whole idea of electronic money, secondary money issuing, money based on debt is pretty difficult. I am not so patient to post everything ... hence, better take some book about monetary policy, and read how it really works. Howgh. J.

AgentCash

03-19-2002, 04:23 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Our whole conception of finances are wrong. Inflation would not even exist if governments kept the power to issue money because everytime they would issue new money for example to build a new hospital, there would be a real tangible value behing that money. <hr /></blockquote>Err... yeah a real tangible value, until they start printing government checks with new money. I don't see the tangible value behind Senator Jerkoff's new porsche. The way to do it is back each dollar with gold, like it used to be. And banks are required to have 10% on deposit of the money they loan out. It may just be numbers in computers, but it's also a fine and dandy way to ensure economic growth. Duh... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

Clocka

03-19-2002, 05:08 PM

In England.... We lose about 30% on income tax and national insurance. but this can be 50% for higher earners. Then we pay 17.5% Value Added Tax (sales tax) only nearly everything you buy. Plus we have to pay Council tax which is about £1000 a year for local services. We pay nearly $5.50 for gallon of petrol, because of high fuel taxes. Most Brits lose upto 70% in taxes, when you count them all <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

playa

03-19-2002, 09:36 PM

US citizens have to pay incom tax the 16th amendment clearly says it <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxvi.html" target="_blank">http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxvi.html</a>

AgentCash

03-19-2002, 10:32 PM

Exactly, but a lot of these scam artists claim that the 16th amendment was never properly ratified.

Serpent

03-19-2002, 11:59 PM

Well I don't know much about USA history and constitution. I'm canadian so I only read on canada's fucked up system. USA has a more organized system but I've been told there is still a way around it. I won't get into this. Jorge, I won't pretend I know it all about politics, finances or history but all that I said has been sent to numerous politicians, lawyers & university professors and no one has been able to refute any of this with any facts, laws or legislations (in Canada). Anyway, here in canada there is a super easy way to not pay tax and that is on the argument that it is your right to refuse to support a society still making nuclear weapons and Canada signed that treatee after WW2. The Supreme Court of Canada recognized this in decision T2020-88. That means if ever you get in court because of tax refusal, this decision will save your ass 100% sure. Just do a search on google for decision T2020-88 and see for yourself. The tax refusal website is <a href="http://www.taxrefusal.com" target="_blank">http://www.taxrefusal.com</a>

phogirl007

03-20-2002, 04:11 AM

How do you go to an accountant and have your taxes done, without him/her knowing that your income is porn related? Do you guys show the cpa your bank statements, or do you show them the actual sponsor check stubs? Some of the sponsor checks "sound suspicious", for example CEN shows "Cyber Entertainment Network".... which sounds like an adult co. I'm afraid my cpa might get suspicious and find out that it's adult related... It's embarassing for me because I'm female and I look like a "good girl" (I think) not the type of person to sling porn at all! I'm afraid my CPA might think of me "weirdly" if he/she knew I sell porn... Does anyone know a good cpa btw in Orange County in CA? Or should I try to do my own taxes? Even though I don't really know how....

AgentCash

03-20-2002, 04:44 AM

Just make up a bunch of random numbers and fill in the boxes. It's fun... you can make a game out of it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> I used to know a good CPA over on La Palma in Buena Park, but that was about 3 years ago. You really shouldn't be ashamed of what you do. After all we are adults here... well except for a few board whores... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

candidpublishinginc

03-20-2002, 07:39 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by phogirl007: How do you go to an accountant and have your taxes done, without him/her knowing that your income is porn related? Do you guys show the cpa your bank statements, or do you show them the actual sponsor check stubs? <hr /></blockquote>Phogirl007, Just say you're a "traffic broker" or something if anyone asks. You sell web traffic to various companies, and non adult happens to be crap right now so the majority of the companies you sell to are adult.

playa

03-20-2002, 08:08 AM

phogirl007 from what i learned about an accountant is that you should fully disclose all the information to them so they can maximize as much they can on your return... only problem that i really didn't like is that my account wrote "Internet Adult Entertainment" as my profession on my return,,this is like the last thing i needed when the IRS read my return,,hehe i really had to explain to her that it was a little more than that. and a little more politically correct title would of been better.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

phogirl007

03-20-2002, 03:58 PM

Thanks everyone, but someone told me that the official advertising of our line of work is called "Internet Advertising and Related Services" so I'm not worried about the title.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> But am I supposed to show the CPA my bank statements or all my check stubs and expect them to add them ALL up for me? I have a ton of check stubs (not because I make huge money or anything, but cause' I promote lots of sponsors)...... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="confused.gif" /> Thanks! <img border="0" alt="[Hi]" title="" src="graemlins/hi.gif" />

phogirl007

03-21-2002, 05:07 PM

BUMP! help! <img border="0" alt="[Bounce]" title="" src="graemlins/bounce.gif" />