super clean sites

[richard]

new thread...

lets do it!

ok, who are the big sites that we are talking about?

[MeDude]

this is about what due said in the preveious thread...

yes it's true that if big sites dont agree to change their sites as well, it cant work out...

but we have 2 more weeks till Feb.1st

it's enough time for us to come up with a long list of webmasters who agree to go with the change on Feb.1st

so when Feb comes we can decided if the list of webmasters we collected is decided to do a major makeover

we have nothing to loose by try to convert ppl to a clean cj site style

[Due]

My site on sextop.dk/x will soon be a SUPER CLEAN site.. In the fact it will be more like a free xxx site than a CJ site.... I added some content but still have plenty of links going to my out script :-) I just hope it will help out... it should also improve the productivity off my trades and people I trade with should also get a lot of better traffic. :-)
/Due
ICQ ~ 7694991

[richard]

I did a similar thing Due, back in november.

Outclicks went down, traffic dropped, its a brave move to make, and one that will be made less painful if we can get this feb 1st thing going.

[MeDude]

i remeber back in november when we started a clean site "movement" somebody posted a list of webmasters that grew as webmasters re-posted that list, but added their name...

so lets try this again, names of people on this list agree to take down all enter/exit consoles... the only console will be left standing is the exit-traffic program..

and now here's the list.. which will take effect on Feb 1st, 12am

-------SUPER CLEAN LIST--------
--NICK------URL----------ICQ---
Medude sexynetwork.net 39083387

To get on the list, post a reply, COPY this list, and add your name to it.

[Ron]

I re-posted this here from the other thread. After i read it it was kinda sketchy but it gets a point accross so i'll lay it down ;-)

Ok well, i agree richard, things still aren't the best, the days of beeing able to turn 1k into 10k in 2 weeks are
gone. Now also the "BIG" sites always seem to come into the mix here, they cycle anyware from 200K to 50K, and
well why don't we set alternate dates, cause yes they are the key factor here obviously.

middle to high hit sites remove pop's first, lets say sites from 50k-20k.

Then a few days later the "BIG" sites say they no longer trade with pop's. Then anyone who keeps their popups will basically have no one to trade with, hence problem solved. The "BIG" guys will have only clean sites to trade with, so they won't need to kill 50+ trades.

Smaller sites could do as they please as far ans i am concerned. If the webmaster is serious about their site, they will adopt the new trend. If they don't well they wern't worth my hits in the first place.

Also in my own experience with removing my pop all together i did find a day or 2 of lower hits. I also relate this to the "freashness" of my traffic. To make this work there HAS GOT to be a % of hits that are new. Pop up's do pull good hits, i have HARD #'s on the issue, i put my link tracking feature on my pop up for the last week, and about 10-15% of my out clicks come from my pop! So you have to find some way of filling that 10-50%.

The general CJ comunity won't be able to open up to the general Adult comunity until our sites start to have Content among other things. Who says it has to be easy to find, hide it in one link some place, We can use all this $$ we make to set up some real content, maybe some people could even set up a members area WHO KNOWS! As well as the pop's in my experience most non CJ's won't trade with a CJ if a pop is there, for some reason.

If we take all the steps here to be come "CLEAN" it will benifit the whole comunity in the long run.

Some food for though.

[Ron]

If you guys like i could talk to Killa and see if he would post some news on this issue at Cyclejerk, get some people from there to submit some input on things. Alot of people that don't post here surf there.

-------SUPER CLEAN LIST--------
--NICK---------URL-----------ICQ---
Medude sexynetwork.net 39083387
Ron sexualpassions.com 41830788

[richard]

Ok, lets head for feb 1st as the date, but to make things work we need to get A LOT of webmasters to join - 2 weeks might not be long enough, so lets just bear that in mind. Remember, this change will be a really big one, not like trimming down a little for Due's list, it will hit you hard unless A LOT of people have joined.

1) only exit pop
2) same as www.clean-list.com (http://www.clean-list.com) rules.

any others? ('trade only with members'??)

Ron: yes, that would be good if you could drop a line to Killah. We need as many people as possible to be exposed to this idea.

re: the 'big-site' debate. I'll have a chat with a couple of them, see what they think. But the emphaisis to make this work is to get alot of webmasters in on this. If you could say 'p4all' / the rest, will not trade with you unless you comply, alot of webmasters will make the switch. We need a bit of scare-mongering. This board and Killahs website plus our word of mouth should be able to get things going.

People need an incentive to join: Brian says 'he will not buy exits from them' is a good one, as is 'you will not get trades with these site, X/Y/Z'.

Lets get the word out.

-------SUPER CLEAN LIST--------
--NICK---------URL------------ICQ---
Medude sexynetwork.net 39083387
Ron sexualpassions.com 41830788
Richard freerotic.com 41012160

[MeDude]

richard you wrote these rules, i think we should make them more 'clear' to everybody

1) only exit pop (mr. brians exit traffic program, not the usual console, lets make our CJ sites console FREE.. outclicks will come from the main page ONLY)

[Chris]

Hi all

Im in for this as well,
nice idea )

However, i think it should
be midnight 1st Feb GMT ,
that ensures virtually
all CJ webmasters are awake )

Thanks

Chris

-------SUPER CLEAN LIST--------
--NICK---------URL------------ICQ---
Medude sexynetwork.net 39083387
Ron sexualpassions.com 41830788
Richard freerotic.com 41012160
Chris freehornysluts.com 24924411

[Chris]

Hi all

Im in for this as well,
nice idea ;o)

However, i think it should
be midnight 1st Feb GMT ,
that ensures virtually
all CJ webmasters are awake ;o)

Thanks

Chris

-------SUPER CLEAN LIST--------
--NICK---------URL------------ICQ---
Medude sexynetwork.net 39083387
Ron sexualpassions.com 41830788
Richard freerotic.com 41012160
Chris freehornysluts.com 24924411

[richard]

one exit popup - to be a sponsors page.

Some people use Brians exit deal, others use other companies, and some people make their own sponsors page...

...lets have it sponsors page only. This would include the exit deals, and user created exit pops - but not to be part of the script.

Do we allow blindlinks here? like babylon-x.com's program?

i suggest not. I suggest we keep it a sign-up only exit pop.

richard.

[Ron]

hold on, we might be getting ahead of our selves. We can't really say what people should do with their exit traffic. As long as they comply to the rule of non popup and one exit. Who are we to tell people what to do?

I know i hold no power to tell anyone what to do, and i am pretty sure not many people do have the power.

Limited freedom might be a better choice here, why would a webmaster conform to the rules when it could potentially put him/her in the poor house?

To be honest, let them send to their script from the exit, let them use brain's exit. They can use Babylon, but take note! once the exit is closed NO MORE exit's should open!

Simple easy and yet still affective, i just don't think it is wise to set a list of rules too tight, tight is good, but not to the point where we are telling you what you can and can not put on YOUR html.

Some more "Thoughts"

[Ron]

Also about the time, one set hour might be hard to do. Seen as how we have webmasters from all over the globe. Lets just say Feb 1st.

I know i might not have time to get it done right at 12, so in my case i'd just do it on the first when ever i have time! Maybe it might be a good idea for other people.

Dude to time zones there is NO WAY this can all get done in one day, at the LEAST 2 days. Then perhaps 2-3 more of moderators going through and checking who is in compliance. Notification has to be taken into consideration as well.

[Likwid Blaze]

Hi all! This is my first post on this board and I decided to make it on a rush to a cleaner CJ business...

I'm totally in favor of the super clean sites and I found the idea of Due to implant some free content to make his site more like a free xxx site (non-CJ) very good and I think that if we could make our site a 2-3 page site, like with an enter link that will really link to a main page in our site (with some free content) that it could really help us on bookmarks, on trades with non-CJ sites, etc. And ya, maybe when Richard tried this back in november it didn't worked, but he was the only one (maybe with some others) to did this, so it was normal on a point that his traffic went down, but now if everyone of us could do this re-configuration of their site, maybe, and I'm praticly sure, it could lead us on the good way...

So, like I said, I'm in with this SUPER CLEAN sites with my new site (that will open this week) pornrampage.com.

-------SUPER CLEAN LIST--------
--NICK---------URL------------ICQ---
Medude sexynetwork.net 39083387
Ron sexualpassions.com 41830788
Richard freerotic.com 41012160
Chris freehornysluts.com 24924411
Likwid Blaze pornrampage.com 42316254

[MeDude]

ron said that we shouldn't imply any tight rules, the only way for us to raise the quality of our traffic is to have VERY tight rules..

1) no consoles, other than an exit-traffic program
2) all outclicks must come from the main page
3) you will not use any tricks to get outclicks, for example: ShutDown images... or some other windows msg's

iam sure that we can get enough ppl till February 1st

[MeDude]

Likwid Blaze suggested that out cj sites would be made out of several pages, i think this could really help our outclick rates..

a 2-3 page cj site would be more confusing to a visitor.. and he/she would deffinatly click more times

but thats a whole other project.. for now lets add more webmasters to the current list:

-------SUPER CLEAN LIST--------
--NICK---------URL------------ICQ---
Medude sexynetwork.net 39083387
Ron sexualpassions.com 41830788
Richard freerotic.com 41012160
Chris freehornysluts.com 24924411
Likwid Blaze pornrampage.com 42316254

[Ride]

I am seeing this different then most of you. The reason a lot of us operate high traffic sites is because we use tactics that pull a lot of clicks (pop ups, etc..) That is why they are called CJ sites. Added content would be worthless, it would just turn our jerking sites into free sites which would also lower traffic incredibly. We aren't here to make the surfer happy we are here to make money and jerk his ass till he jerks out his credit card. Here is what will happen if content is added and why it is not a good idea.

Surfer Joe comes to our sites and wants some free porn, he begins to click thumbnails, and blind links but is not getting what he wants, he keeps looking and looking. Hopefully he then is really horney but hasn't seen shit so either turns his computer off and goes to the porn store or takes out his credit card and signs up (what we want.) Now listen if Surfer Joe finds some content on a page (even 3 pics) He looks at those 3 or more gets a little excited then he clicks one of your blind links and finds 3+ more on the next, he goes through about 5 sites, jacks off, shuts down his computer and is happy. Now we all got 1 click and wasted bandwidth. That doesn't happen in every case, but it does happen. The more we jerk the better. Think about it.

Also if you have content and want to give surfers pics, build a few dmoz sites and get them listed on link sites. You would make more money! We don't need content in the CJ world.

Ride
42015495
Hit me up for fresh trades!

[Ron]

Well said Ride i agree, i tried it once, it did nothing but rais my Band Width Bill, and lower my hits slightly. Book makr users aren't what we need for CJing. Bookmarks click less and less each time they visit via book mark.

MeDude: What i was saying id that TIGHT RULES are needed, but why should we tell people what to put on their exit? An exit going to a person's script wouldn't lower productivity enough to make a difference to your trade. MAYBE 10-20%.
The point beeing that no pop and one exit is the rule, stay within those and your good, stray out side of em, and you loose trades.

See my point? Would you spreciate me telling you that i am going to kill our trade because you are not sending your exit hits to a sponsor? I sure as hell wouldn't.

[Ron]

once again sorry about spelling, just bear with it. I am still eating medication like candy. =(

[Due]

-------SUPER CLEAN LIST--------
--NICK---------URL------------ICQ---
Medude sexynetwork.net 39083387
Ron sexualpassions.com 41830788
Richard freerotic.com 41012160
Chris freehornysluts.com 24924411
Likwid Blaze pornrampage.com 42316254
Due sextop.dk/x 7694991
Due sex.mdue.dk 7694991
Due free-hardcoresex.com 7694991

[Likwid Blaze]

ya Ride, maybe your rigth about free content, but there's many ways to put free content on your site, like using sponsors free content (talking about amateurpages, iteens and many mores...). By using there free content you could make money while they are surfing your free content, and this can help you have signups (or click thrus, ect.) to your sponsors when giving the surfer some samples of what pay sites have to offer, that how work free tours on pay sites. And free sites work pretty the same way, and we can't say that they don't make money, I'm pretty sure that big free sites makes more then big CJ sites...

anyway, maybe it's just the way I see things!

[MeDude]

ok Ron so should we continue with the list or not? it's not yet clear if a console free site would be better than a cj site with 1 enter 1 exit console..

please explain your point of view on this subject

[magnatique]

just my 2¢, you do whatever you want with it..

if we want so badly a cleaner site, no pop ups and all... it's fine with me, but I won't be part of it... the fact is my pop up is what generates more than 60% of my total income...

take that 60% off? I'd need to increase my traffic by at least 180% within a month to get as much profit... and between you and me, one pop up has never been reducing much of anything... unless it's missleading or pissing visitors off... I had a free site for about 6 month, getting somewhere arround 15k, and adding a pop up wisely did not hurt conversion and such


as I said, just my 2¢, but like with anything, moderation is the key.


*** if you don't like the fat on the sides of a steak, don't trash it, just cut off what's bugging you on it, the fat. ***

[MeDude]

i see your point,and you're pretty much right... so everybody should just forget about the SUPER CLEAN SITE list... ?

[bikiniman]

The list sounds good but won't work. We have CJ sites not FREE sites. We can't give the surfer something to jack off too, it would just waste our bandwidth. I think we maybe should try on getting fresh traffic and having cleaner sites, but not adding content and giving them what they want. :-)


my $0.02

[Dan]

Hi,

maybe I'll be flamed but let's face it.
Who wants to change the way CJ sites are working? Webmasters that have small/medium success in the business. You're trying to change it because you can't figure out how to be successful in it.

This is normal that webmasters, i.e. the "big guys", that are successful in this business don't want to change anything for 2 reasons:

1) They are affraid to lose their traffic - and money by the same time. You can't even imagine their hosting fees
2) Why should they change to your "clean rules" and risk to lose the advantage they got right now?

We all agree with the fact that multiple pop-ups lower traffic quality and that we should never trade with sites doing so. BUT, I think this is personal to each webmasters. Maybe the "big guys" found how to deal with all these different sites and that's what makes them over the other sites.

I think that instead of trying to change the business to match your needs, you should instead try to change your way of working to match the business and be successful in it.

If you don't want to trade with sites that have multiple pop-ups, then don't. I don't see why it should be a rule.

Regards

[Dan]

Because Richard started this tread, I'd like to add that he is the exception to the above rule (he runs a successful site and want to change the industry), along with Chris. But in majority, the rule applys.

Regards

[MeDude]

...ok so i guess this topic is now officialy dead.. oh well

anyone else has any other idea's that we can bitch about? :-)

[nick]

what is wrong with you people?
the point of cj is to circle jerk; if ppl get to see porn they might as well stop right there and close their browser.
Same as TGP galleries, they leech and they leave.
I think pop-ups help to get that doubt if the site is cj or not and helps to get that extra click. If no pop-up are present after one click the user knows no porn was at the end of that click and will not click another link on that PAGE(not site) because he knows that probably no porn will come after next link either.
Nevertheless it is a good thing to try(maybe it will work out), it'll eat up less bandwidth anyway.

[richard]

Fair enough.

I dont mind dropping the subject, so long as there are no more posts on the BBs about crap traffic, stale traffic, etc etc.

Suject to certain factors, we might go ahead and create some super clean sites anyway. We (Chris and I) have come up with a killer idea for a CJ site, super clean. Perhaps it will even work without a mass conversion, lets wait and see.

Like i said, i can look forward to a BB free from moans about traffic from now on then? no - i doubt it.

*sigh*

oh well, life goes on.

Richard.

=) thanks for the compliments Dan, if my successful site/s are not trading with you - 41012160

[Dan]

Hi,

I didn't wanted to kill the thread, I just wanted to explain a bit (in my opinion) why "big guys" are not ready remove all their pop-ups.

This is a nice idea to get the sites down to 2-3 pop-ups max, I agree with the idea. But everybody should notice that big sites never got a shit load of pop-ups. I think it proves that multiple pop-ups are not the way to build a successful site.

I've personnaly tried to start a CJ site without any pop-ups, with some content and that was trading only with TGPs/content sites, and the outclick was somewhere around 75%, not really good.

Finally, I'd just like to add that IMHO a "clean list" should be run by more than one person - it should be a group of webmasters that manages it. What would happen if the big sites would join the clean list? A guy like Due would have control over 1 million hits/day, this is too much for a single person and because he would be the only one managing it, he could exclude whoever he doesn't like, or whoever is not giving a perm link to its sites, ...

Due - nothing personal, this is only an example.

See ya

[Alpha]

I think cleaning up the cj sites would be a great thing.

My own site is pretty much clean already (1 exit) and does well over 100%. I'm trading with several sites using multiple consoles but trading only with sites having no more than one on exit has proven to add upward 30% to my current ratio. So it can be done even when trading with "dirty" sites.

[Ron]

Well, i have to agree with Nick, A cleaner over all CJ industry would be nice. But to save our selves the stress of setting up this whole thing. It might be better to let the webmasters fend for them selves.

Like i said in the last thread. In this day and age you have the option to trade with who'm ever you like. Clean sites, dirty sites.

You have to decide what YOU want, and go after that. It will of coarse be a different goal, for all of us ;-)

That's it for me on the Clean deal, i have re-thought things and for me things are good, so why fix it if it ain't broken?

Good luck to every one!

[Due]

Starting monday MeDude will start helping me with the clean-list :-)
Like everyone noticed I do not have the time to update the list at the moment... got a 8+ pending sites that I did not have time to review.
Anyway within the next week there will come a lot of updates on www.clean-list.com (http://www.clean-list.com) and hopefully also some info about my new script, price, features etc. etc.
/Due
ICQ ~ 7694991

[MeDude]

:-)

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