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shap

01-29-2001, 12:56 AM

Ride believe what you want to believe. The Hun made the term hun popular. I haven't seen shane's sites because they are soooo slow to load. Hmmm I wonder why heheheh. Point is the hun busted his ass to build up his brand name. I'm sure he didn't build it up for some punk to come and benefit from it.

Hun and Sex? hahahahah Dude Sex is a very common word. Hun is nowhere near being a common word. It is only popular because of one man.

As for this board? Well if you have noticed i never post here anymore. Today I felt it was necessary. When you look at this board everybody talks down about the people here. Everybody calls the people here cheaters. I never said anything. But I started to watch and see what happens here. You have some retard posting as Saddam Hussein. That alone is real bad. What next somebody as Adolf Hitler?

Next every time a check is not 2 weeks early everybody is posting did you receive a check yet? Did you receive a check yet? Is it good to discuss with other webmasters about sponsors? YES! Is it good to do it every 2nd day? HELL NO! It is out of control. Every time I look another person is crying about a check not arrive to Russia 2 days after the pay period ends.

It just seems that the people here don't understand this business. There are certain things you don't do. And certain people you don't fuck with. That is the way it is in life too.

Shap

shap

01-29-2001, 01:04 AM

Bah I had posted something but decided to remove it. I'm done. Nothing further to say here. Cry all you want. From the looks of it the hun has hit your server pretty hard.

shap

01-29-2001, 01:06 AM

Originally posted by shap:

Shap

basschick

01-29-2001, 01:17 AM

well, golly, shap, thanks! lump us all in as one personality. that's it - everyone that posts on this board has the exact same opinions - in fact, we're secretly all the same person...

how did you figure it out?

richard

01-29-2001, 01:46 AM

my interest in what happened was purely from a techie standpoint, there has to be something to stop an img srcer, thats where i was going with my ideas.

Shap, you're quick to slam the board, but not so quick with ideas to get things going well.

Feedback is always welcome, alot more so than a kick in the teeth.

Rich.

TheAce

01-29-2001, 02:26 AM

Shane - Tell hun you will sell him the domain name for what you paid to registered it. If you are paying for the bandwidth then you may include that into the price as well.

richard - There is several ways to do it, some of them being meaner then others. You have to use Mod_Rewrite to accomplish anthing, pretty much just make a .htaccess file and put this in it then upload it to the root in ansii.

RewriteEngine On

RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} ^http://www.theattacker.com.*$

RewriteRule .[Jj][Pp][Gg]*$ http://theattacker.com [L]

When that happens it will call the attackers own page...
____________________________________
Note:
The Reason I choose to post this is because what hun is doing is wrong. The right way to handle matters such as this is to get in touch of the person who owns the domain and work something out that way.

Coke

01-29-2001, 04:52 AM

Thehun may have taken the cheaper way to register his trademark in The Netherlands. I don't know if that is a word of the dutch language but I doubt it. I also doubt that anyone can register an *international* (that's the point here) trademark on an english dictionary word.

I suppose, he could only have registered a trademark on 'The Hun's Yellow Pages' as a whole, not 'hun', 'huns' etc.
And if it is right you refer to 'huns' as 'honeys' in NZ Thehun should better stop image sourcing you because you CAN sue him for this and he doesn't have any legal right (it doesn't matter if he owns a trademark on thehun, yellows pages or whatever) to image source anyone anyway. He can't take the law into his hands. If he does he'll be punished since he's damaging the other person and the 'victim' can claim compensation from TheHun and is more than likely to get it.

That's my interpretation of the laws.

battuss

01-29-2001, 05:26 AM

It is a dutch word.

wolfshade

01-29-2001, 09:14 AM

I took the liberty of inviting The Hun http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

IMHO it's always better to talk to the one in question, then speculate and argue when he's not around.

Should make this an interesting thread though http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

Wolfshade

neocorp

01-29-2001, 09:19 AM

hun doen't sound like a dutch word, i look in an english dictionnary and it is english
there is another word in deutsch, no ?

Cyber-Fantasy

01-29-2001, 09:48 AM

I gonna watch that show on USA networks on Jan 30

Atilla the Hun

http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/redface.gif)

richard

01-29-2001, 09:50 AM

uh oh, i'm opening a book on how many times the word "intelectual property rights" are used now http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Coke

01-29-2001, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by neocorp:
hun doen't sound like a dutch word, i look in an english dictionnary and it is english
there is another word in deutsch, no ?

Neo, Dutch =/= Deutsch http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif
Deutsch = German http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

I don't know any word in German (and that's my mother tongue) that's written 'Hun'. I only know 'Huhn'. But, I suppose that's not the right meaning http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Dan S

01-29-2001, 10:20 AM

Coke,

Dutch is NOT = German

Dutch is the native language of the netherlands http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/tongue.gif

Dan

neocorp

01-29-2001, 10:21 AM

damn subtilities...

and i guess no one speaking esperando here ?

lol

Coke

01-29-2001, 10:54 AM

Dan,

that's about what I said, isn't it? http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

NickD

01-29-2001, 10:54 AM

According to sextracker The Hun's Yellow Pages get over 4 million hits a day. I dont see how Shane could possibly affect his business by simply buying a domain name with the word "hun" which is probably not trademarked to the webmaster of this huge site. I think its totally unfair to attack such little harmless sites just as his business was in jeopardy. Its really unprofessional on Thehuns part and I think he should have simply contacted the webmaster and tell him that he had a problem with it.

Shovel

01-29-2001, 11:13 AM

According to the 1998 edition of The New Oxford Dictionary of English...
"Hun > noun (1) a member of a warlike Asiatic nomadic people who invaded and ravaged Europe in the 4th-5th centuries
- a reckless or uncivilised destroyer of something -
(2) informal, derogatory; a German (especially in millitary contexts during the First and Second World Wars)
- (the Hun) Germans collectively

- DERIVATIVES - Hunnish (adj)
- ORIGIN Old English Hune, Hunas (pl), from late Latin {Hunni}, from Greek {Hounnoi}; of Middle Iranian origin."

What were we arguing about again?

Dan S

01-29-2001, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by Coke:
Dan,

that's about what I said, isn't it? http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Ups, I got you wrong then ... http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

The Hun

01-29-2001, 11:43 AM

Shane, maybe I should take my attorney's advice and set an example with you. What you're doing is confusing people. You run a link-site named hunslinks. There is already a pretty popular site out there with the name "the hun". Running a site called "hunslinks" is confusing to people and legally called "unfair competition". Could be a trademark violation even. Op top of that you're stealing my links. Which is a violation of database protection laws. You're full of bullshit Shane. I decided suing you would take too long. Sure, I would win, but I would have to go to trials and shit like that. And to be honest, you're to small for me to spend that much money on attorneys to make you stop. I don't think I would be able to recover attorney's fees from you. So I take this solution.

You received a fair warning. You had a discussion with my lawyer. You came up with some bullshit story about honnies and crap like that. I won't take that, sorry.

You already proved in your replies that you weren't going to listen. You stole my name, you were using links that were taken off my page. So you want my name? You want my links? Then you'll also get my bandwidth bill. Simple as that.

If I see this domain up and running again I will make sure it goes down again. AND I will make sure you do get sued. Steve Workman (attorney for a lot of the big sites on the web) has the drafts ready for a lawsuit against you Shane. Don't push your luck.

I'm usually pretty easy to work with. But if someone is trying to take a ride on the success of the name I built up I get tricky. Shane, give it up. This is one fight you'll loose. hunslinks is a misleading name. The Hun is an icon in the adult Internet, there's no way you can deny that. I will not allow others to take adventage of this name the way you try to do. I protect my business. And that it seems to some people like I'm overdoing that is not a problem. I agree, I go after people even though their actions probably don't cost me that much. But lets say people find this page. And has consoles and blind links and crap like that. People would know hunslinks is a bad page. And if they see a reciprocal somewhere with 'thehun.net' they won't go there. THAT is what I have a problem with. I'm protecting my business... and you are right, I'm pretty fanatic about that

Muff

01-29-2001, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by shap:

As for this board? Well if you have noticed i never post here anymore. Today I felt it was necessary. When you look at this board everybody talks down about the people here. Everybody calls the people here cheaters. I never said anything. But I started to watch and see what happens here. You have some retard posting as Saddam Hussein. That alone is real bad. What next somebody as Adolf Hitler?

Next every time a check is not 2 weeks early everybody is posting did you receive a check yet? Did you receive a check yet? Is it good to discuss with other webmasters about sponsors? YES! Is it good to do it every 2nd day? HELL NO! It is out of control. Every time I look another person is crying about a check not arrive to Russia 2 days after the pay period ends.

It just seems that the people here don't understand this business. There are certain things you don't do. And certain people you don't fuck with. That is the way it is in life too.

Shap

Very Good point Shap. I personally wouldnt want my program to be posted at all on this board so many people constantly get and give the wrong impressions.

As for you not posting here Shap sorry to here that. This board could use a few established webmasters like yourself posting here on a regular basis, so we all can profit from your knowledge.

Maybe alls we need for this board is some tighter rules and maybe another moderator. I would be willing to moderate part-time to help the board and keep the shit out.

Richard or Magnatique if you are interested in another moderator hit me up on ICQ 92044377 Im sure together we could clean up this board and get it back to what it was. And also run our other sites and programs.

Muff

ragnar

01-29-2001, 01:44 PM

Hey but mister The Hun a few weeks ago i had almost the same problem with but what i wanna say if you steal bandwith from anothere site you are also wrong so maybe it's better to think first

Saddam Hussein

01-29-2001, 01:46 PM

WTF,
I can't post? http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif

Muff, Shap, is this racism ?

shane

01-29-2001, 02:21 PM

I never took any of your links, to put on my site, and never have. My site is a CJ and has no links to galleries.

My site is not copying yours, uses none of your logos, names, etc. Doesnt look like yours , has compleatly different colours, layouts etc, I never mention your site on mine. and Im not secreatly hiding your names in my Metatags.

Attacking peoples servers is illegal, not me owning hunslinks.com, You think your loyal visitors will accidently type in hunslinks.com when they are looking for your site?? or what?
I did offer to sell you the domain.

Anyway Ive disabled the fucking site, for now,(after redirecting the imgsrc back to your own server and thumbs up http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif ) , and you can get fucked.

So I hope you have a fuckin nice day

Muff

01-29-2001, 03:20 PM

Never said that saddam but why the hell do you want a name like that. cant you think of a better nickname than that one.

Muff

The Hun

01-29-2001, 03:29 PM

Ragnar, you submitted a gallery with pictures and redirect all thumbs to your circle jerk script the minute it was listed. That is shit that is not appreciated when people play it honest. You deserved it.

Shane, the domain is disabled now and I appreciate that. Thanks for the quick action. Please make sure it does stay disabled. You're not confusing my current visitors with that name, you're confusing new people. And you know as well as I do that a site like "hunslinks" would get search-engine traffic. That's why you're putting up a CJ-site there. "hunslinks" wouldn't be typed in by someone looking for porn. And search-engine traffic would come from people searching for "hun" or "the hun". I know how the Internet works too Shane. But like I said, I appreciate you took down the domain.

The Hun

01-29-2001, 03:31 PM

BTW, in all honesty I indeed must say I mixed you up with someone else regarding taking the links Shane. So I take that back.

Muff

01-29-2001, 03:34 PM

Question what if I were to put in my meta tags and keywords.

Better than the hun, or Not the hun, people could easly do that and they do. same with other big SE names like thumbzilla.

would you do the same thing to someone who tryed these plots to gain SE traffic?

Muff

01-29-2001, 03:35 PM

BTW Im Not attacking just asking.

Muff

The Hun

01-29-2001, 04:07 PM

Would be basically the same thing. It's stealing away traffic from others which is just not a decent thing to do. And illegal (unfair competition, unauthorized use of trademarks, things like that).

I saw some sites (some big ones too) say stuff like: this site DOES NOT contain... and then a whole list of things like incest, pre-teens, shit like that. Mostly done for search-engines. Not the way I would do business. I think it's sick

Many people use many methods to make money. Some unfortunately try to hitch a hike on others. I have to deal almost weekly with people that steal my links or use my name in their URL to get search-engine traffic.

shane

01-29-2001, 04:14 PM

http://inventory.go2.com/inventory/Search_Suggestion.jhtml;$sessionid$HN3GJ2IAEWBXHTU ETBOAPUQ?term=hunslinks&x=12&y=10

thats how many people typed in hunslinks last month. maby my visitors trying to find my site again just type in hun and go to your site , lol

TheAce

01-29-2001, 04:15 PM

The Hun - Alway's remember there is more then likely other webmasters using the same server. Its a thing called a virtual account and when you play with one webmaster, you end up screwing them all.

Remember the big boys are the ones with a dedicated server and they usually know better then to piss on others trademarks. So alway's keep other webmasters who is conducting biz as usual on the same server in mind before pulling such a stunt, in other words think things through. You have been in the biz longer then I have and you should know this by now.

Ace, aka TheAce... Aka AceP... Hell.. just refer to me as the original Ace

TheAce

01-29-2001, 04:43 PM

NickD - Its called protecting your trademark. If you don't enforce it then it will disolve your rights to a trademark over a period of time.

A trademark is your Brand, your quality, your goodwill and its very wrong for someone to try to profit off of your brand you have work for.

Which I could turn this discussion into something a little more construtive and ask a few simple questions...
For a online web site... what exactly do you show the reviewer when ya have to submit the trademark specimens (IE Show'n your using them, not just a intention to use)?

Last... what class would you pick? 16?

The Hun

01-29-2001, 05:20 PM

Shane, you might be right. Might not cost me... yet... I see some things happen that need to be taken care off before it goes out of hand. I hope this thing's settled now. It saves us both a lot of unnessesary headaches... ;-)

Hi Octane

01-29-2001, 07:00 PM

Shane
A friend of mine just made a recent court appearence with one of Detroit's "Big 3" auto manufacturers. They were pissed off that he had a domain name with their company name in it, "BLANKrecalls.com"
Well, they never asked my friend to surrender it. By law, they are NOT abliged to do so. No, instead, this multi-billion doller intl. corp decided to sue the piss out of my friend for 1/2 million dollars. It cost him over $30,000 in lawyers fees just to have the chance to surrender the domain to them, plus $10G's damages. Of course, if he spent a million or so in legal fees, he might have been able to keep the domain.
The U.S. now has VERY tough laws on domain cybersquatting/infringement. While I am not a lawyer, I would say that it is just not a good business decision to have any domain that "might" be confused with another business. The chances are high that it can cost you a good deal of grief and cash. Even without a 1x1 "greeting card".

shap

01-29-2001, 07:12 PM

Yep I agree Hi Octane. Not only that, not smart to piss off somebody that has alot of power :-)) Alot of us have good memories. Always smarter to avoid a legal confrontation or even an argument with one of the big boys. What doesn't hurt your business today, may hurt it in a year or 2 from now.

Shap

AndyRolla

01-29-2001, 07:46 PM

fuck dat shit

if the hun had a trademark problem with your domain, he shoulda taken it to court.

img srcing from his site is corporate sabotage

take him to court and sue his nordic ass for $1,000,000

f00z gotta understand that this aint game anymore - you gotta do this shit thru the proper channels

word up

shap

01-29-2001, 07:56 PM

Wow Andy that is really smart of you. People seem to fail to realise the power of being a big boy. Let's go thru the list.
1. financial backing. money makes the world go round
2. legal backing.
3. the traffic to kill your server. I think he showed that :-)
4. the connections to make your life online a living hell. All the hun has to do is go to each of your sponsors and say listen drop this cheat. Now do you think a sponsor will keep shane or dump him? Obviously 95% of sponsors would dump shane and not pay him.

You put all of those things together and you guys still think that this is a wise battle for Shane? People wake up! What Shane did was illegal. So not only will he get his ass whooped in court, he'll get it whooped in the industry and if he isn't careful probably in person too. The only thing he can do is give up the domain.

Shap

TwinTone

01-29-2001, 08:33 PM

So when will I be sued by http://www.theteens.com

Due to the fact that I own http://www.starteens.com

I mean when is a word TM and when is it ok to use? So The Hun has a trade mark on it? Could I see a copy of this?

Sure Pepsi has a trade mark.. but they have nothing to do with porn, so I guess I could see a problem if you ran a site called http://www.pepsiporn.com But http://www.pepsi.net/ is not a Pepsi site and im sure they would never img source them! hehe (that would be interesting)

So I really see no problem with having the hun in a domain name. What if some guy who has never been to a porn site in his life bought the domain hunlinks.com and was running some personal home page? Would you pound on him with an img source? No.. I think you could have taken a different approch to this whole thing.

I think the hun is a great site.. been there many times. I don't know you from Adam, but in my mind that was a low blow.

Just my thoughts.

TwinTone

baddog

01-30-2001, 06:46 AM

Originally posted by battuss:
It is a dutch word.

hun is a dutch word? I guess someone forgot to tell Atilla. Now the Huns may have kicked some Dutch ass in his day, but he was a Mongol, as in from Mongolia, which is Asia.

I wonder what The Huns MC, an outlaw biker club would have to say about copyright violations. Then of course there is the yellow pages issue, which as I recall has been around here in the USA a helluva lot longer than the Internet has.

The Hun

01-30-2001, 09:28 AM

TwinTone, you're missing the point. If some guy registered a domainname with "hun" in it for his personal homepage I wouldn't have a problem with it. Shane was running a circle-jerk site on there. That's something else. He probably went for search-engine traffic or something. But this issue is solved. Over. Done. Finito. Shane closed the URL and I'm happy. End of story.

Andy. Shane did talk to my attorney. My attorney did advice me to take this to court. But to be honest I like this option better. This thing is solved now without any of the parties having to spend lots of money on legal matters. Lawyers laugh their ass off in these cases. I prefer settling things together. In this case I used a little more forse than just talking 'cause at first my complaints were ignored. Seemed to have helped.

I don't like spending money on lawyers. I don't like suing people or including their pages with JavaScript, but if it's the way to get my point across I like it better then going through court. That doesn't help anybody.

As far as I'm conserned this "battle" is over. The url is not active anymore and that's all I care about. No hatred against anybody from me. Shane, that's including you. I appreciate your quick action. It's a pity we had to come to this the way we did, but it's solved, and again, that's all I care about

The Hun

01-30-2001, 04:29 PM

Baddog: The Huns MC are not running a pornsite BTW. I have a trademark on "HUN" for running an adult website.

AndyRolla

01-30-2001, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by shap:
4. the connections to make your life online a living hell. All the hun has to do is go to each of your sponsors and say listen drop this cheat. Now do you think a sponsor will keep shane or dump him? Obviously 95% of sponsors would dump shane and not pay him. 

i really doubt that - the hun is small time compared to a the true players of the industry.


You put all of those things together and you guys still think that this is a wise battle for Shane? People wake up! What Shane did was illegal. So not only will he get his ass whooped in court, he'll get it whooped in the industry and if he isn't careful probably in person too. The only thing he can do is give up the domain.


the legality of what shane did is up to the courts to decide.

the huns action on the other hand, combined with what's been said in this thread, is undebateably corporate sabotage, equivalent to a DOS hacking attack.

have you read some of the stuff that holds up in court? eg the sweet entertainment content people suing the newsgroup image websites & being awarded $500 for every sweet entertainment picture that is automatically pulled from the newsgroups by one of these sites - amounting to $180,000.

id say shane could really toast the hun for this one if he wanted to

you can see in the huns last post hes really trying to back down and finish with this because hes starting to see how fucked he could be if shane trys to do anything about it.

btw ive got nothing against the hun, or shane, just calling it as i see it

TwinTone

01-30-2001, 05:51 PM

I agree.. that is a DOS attack no question. When you get that much traffic you could bring most servers to their knees.

Not taking sides.. I would have just taken the legal way. Sue for your TM not take it in your own hands. I did a bunch of research on TM's at work today. Still confused about it. Sounded like you need to SELL a service to trade mark a name. There is no selling going on at the hun except for sonsors.. I don't know.. Im not a lawyer.. but I work in data security and know that the img source was not legal

TwinTone