RAW hits

[Due]

Has anyone using a script that counts RAW in ever had more than 60K-70K??
I guess RAW in also can destroy the out clicks or mayby I'm also wrong?
/Due
ICq ~ 7694991

[Anth0ny]

All the UCJ-C scripts in the top 100 Sex tracker count raw in and sends uniques back.

[Due]

The sites don't excatly say. I use UCJ-C. And it does not look like that there is a lot of sites counting RAW in in the top 100
/Due
ICQ ~ 7694991

[Rimmer]

I'm on 80 k uniques a day with topteenz.com .. and there is a bunch of other ucj-c sites in the top 100 couting raw.

[Ron]

What would you gain by tracking hits by unique?

[cynthia]

Say you send a hit out to one of your trades. Counting only uniques makes sure that they're not going to turn around and send that person right back to you.

[Ron]

Ahhhhh i SEE! (said the blind man)

Well that's great, I guess that would also force a guy (gal) to be good at gathering freash traffic!

Or els you'll have no new user's to send ;-)
or am i wrong?

[Due]

Anyway...
Traffic Trade will be counting unique in within the next few days.
Within 2 weeks we will have a feature so if we get a RAW visitors he will not see the same page as he saw last time he visited our site :-) Should help increase the RAW productivity :-)
The script will be released as soon as we have a domain up for the script
/Due
ICQ ~ 7694991

[Rimmer]

UCJ-C counts raws on incoming hits and returns unique visitors to its traders.

Counting uniques on incoming is only a method of shaving. That is why most sponsors with clickthrough programs do it.

[Due]

Hmm I thought the UCJ -C returned based on productivity and ratio? Mayby I was wrong about that :-)
/Due
ICQ ~ 7694991

[cynthia]

no - that's right. It returns based on productivity. It counts raw, and returns unique. These are all different things...

I'll admit that both ways (counting uniques and raws) have their strengths and weaknesses. But like anything else, you have to work with what you've got. My script counts uniques by IP, but I reset IPs every hour - making it a little "rawer" than it could be. It also tracks incoming referrers and will not send a hit back to where it originated from.

That "shaving" comment stung. :/ I know everyone likes their script best, and there's nothing wrong with a little debate ala Windows, Linux, Mac. But you can't imply that your script is the best because the others cheat. (or maybe i read this wrong - if so forgive me... I got up too early today). http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Due]

cynthia>> I do not mean other scripts cheat / shave in any way :-)
I just startet this topic because I had thoughts about if I should count RAW like now or UNIQUE. Because it will be hard to make a site grow big just counting RAW in because it is impossible that you don't get the same surfers in return from some sites (even though they only send out unique) and that will be affecting your out clicks/productivity.
Anyway about the script issue.. There is no doubt that I like mine best. After all I got it written to fit to my needs :-) But I don't say it's the best. I hope it will be when we have finished adding the latest features :-)
/Due
ICQ ~ 7694991

[TeenaMarie]

I am new to this and I have a great concern when it comes to RAW vs. UNIQUE counts. I have some pretty good quality traffic I want to try CJ, but ALOT of it comes from AOL. It is very rare (probably impossible) that any program (and I have used alot of sponsors and such) tracks AOL hits accurately when using UNIQUES. I think it is important to add quality hits to CJ but quality hits mean a high percentage of AOL'ers and I think counting UNIQUES in is not a good idea taking that into consideration.

[Anth0ny]

Good post TeenaMarie!

That's right, there' what like? 17 or 20 ips used by AOL surfers? If you count by unique they aren't counted.

Am I wrong in this statement? Someone know different?

[Rimmer]

The reason I called it shaving was because sponsors use it for that effect.
i.e. they get free traffic by having an imperfect system of counting uniques as with all the different browsers/settings/proxies out there make it impossible to tell true uniques.

Scripts counts uniques as a way to detect cheats. To have a successful trade they'll have to increase the ratio so the trade is fair on both sides. But it is shaving their stats so quite often it is hard to tell what the real level of trade is without some raw measurements. That is the reason I work from raws is that I'm more confident in the accuracy of my stats which makes determining good/bad trades a little easier.

But then each to their own ... there are many ways to have a script working successfully.

[Rimmer]

Anthony,
I've heard there are like 25 AOL Proxy IP's ... that is indeed a problem when it comes to counting uniques ... especially with sponsors that track via IP.

[richard]

what a bitch.