Is this how you trade????

[Pinox]

The last three/foutr days i whas wondering why my site doesnt grow. After i checked my stats real close i figured out that the most sites dont send hits back the last 4 days while im sending hits to them.
So sites who send traffic didnt get the hits they deserved and the sites who didnt deserved any fucking hit where getting them.

If my productivity is shit, or if i dont send a good amount of hits and if you want to delete the trade because of this thats okay. But let me know goddamned. So now ive send hits and get nothing back. Thats uncollegial, immoral and its stealing.. simple.
And those who does this are nothing better as the so called cheaters they are badmouthing ad..
From the 25 trades i had there are only 14 left whio send hits...

So i have spoken..

Damn, i need a prozxac now...

Ron

[blind]

I hear they have once a day prozac now =)
It's cheaper too http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

~Jeff

[Pinox]

Hehehe yeah well if this happens every day i need it 2 times a day...
Darn..

Ron

[Angel11]

Hey no way man they have ONCE A WEEK prozac now

[harvey]

Hey Pinox,I was about to post the same subject. Even those crying because of being cheated or moral or ethics don't give a damn when it comes to screw other people. I don't want to start a war so I won't give names, but the biggest cheaters (yes, this is cheating big time since you get hits upon the promise or "contract" to get those hits back plus some ratio, so you steal my traffic=steal my money=fucking cheater) are usually some of the big jerks of this board. Not all of them, but several of them. Well, after all that's how they built their traffic, I guess... http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif

btw, I posted this thought like 1 year ago: How in hell can a CJ send more of what it gets other than cheating? Now I know one possible answer. But still call it cheating

Peace

Harvey

[Backov]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by harvey:
btw, I posted this thought like 1 year ago: How in hell can a CJ send more of what it gets other than cheating? Now I know one possible answer. But still call it cheating
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Dude, the very fact that you ask this shows that you don't understand the idea.. CJs can return more than they recieve because of a few things:

1 - Fresh traffic. The more fresh traffic you have, the more free clicks to send to your trades.

2 - Productive trades. If a trade is sending you 100 hits, and those hits are 130% productive, that's 130 hits you can send out.. Now, as long as their return ratio is good, the trade is good. (Meaning, those 130 hits can't cost you 200 sent hits, or you're shrinking.)

3 - The return ratio.. This may seem circular, but it's a point. If you send 100 hits, you should expect to get something like 120%+ back.. Now for various reasons this system seems to be breaking down (See CJ Math for CJ Gurus thread), but it's the idea.

Another thing you guys need to realize - don't take it personally if a large site under returns... It's very very hard for a large site to return small traffic trades.. The problem is a script limitation.

Cheers,
Backov

[Pinox]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Backov:

Another thing you guys need to realize - don't take it personally if a large site under returns... It's very very hard for a large site to return small traffic trades.. The problem is a script limitation.

Cheers,
Backov</font>

Okay thats maybe possible, but i dont talk about small returns. Im talking about absolutly NO returns. When i send a site for example 100 hits and he sends 25 back, then he SENDS at least some traffic. But when a site dont send hits for 3 - 4 days its clear that the trade is deleted without warning, and thats the whole damn point.

[sandman]

Many people including me delete trades that are dead for over 48 hours.

I delete trades 2-3 times a week if a trade dies it gets delete when i update my site.

[Expo]

I am with Sandman, when a trade dies I just delete it. I don't have the time to contact everyone and tell them.

Besides, when people come and sign up for a trade and you specifically tell them if the trade falls under XXX hits/day it will be deleted. What can you expect?

I mean, you see what your sending out. If you don't want your trades to end then do what you can to keep the trade ammounts above par!

Just my .02

- Expo

[AzteK]

It called a TRADE. It goes both ways. Would it kill you to try to keep the trade alive that has been inactive? it's benefiting you as much it is benefiting the other person. So if you don't want a trade in your DB it's simple as ICQing the person with one line.
"your trade with XXX.com has been removed from DB"

that simple

[sandman]

AzteK i agree with you but my sites specify trades og 100 hits a day or more when a new trade signs up and send 20 hits and gets 30 back and then nothing more i just delete it i feel no need to contact the person many people just dont read the pages before they sign up that all. All the trade i do i icq the person before hand and try to get a 1k+ trade going too amny small 2k a day cj2 sites our there the free scripts make i to easy to get into the game. When i do a site anything under 10k a day is considered crap http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif

[harvey]

Backov:
1) Ok, where does the fresh traffic comes from? I know! From bookmarks! http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif
2) I'm not talking about sending 100 getting 130 (it's impossible since if you want to trade 130% of your traffic you got to quit 30% off another trade. Until new maths are discovered, there's no other way to do that. I guess I'm between the ones who lose). Anyway, I'm talking about 100 sent - 0 returned
3) CJ Maths should be known as the biggest discovery after relativity theory? I guess you must get a Nobel and Einstein, hawkins et al were all wrong. Shame on them (Now we should learn: Everything get lost, but don't worry, we'll transform it in hits back... maybe) And, btw, if the script has limitations, why for heaven's sake doesn't the webmaster say "OK, my script is crap and I seriously doubt that I can send you a single hit". And regarding the "personally" thing, yes, I take it personally. Is my traffic, is my money and if I give it to you for free is because I want to, not because you stole it to me

About other answers, I ALWAYS send traffic, at least the MINIMUM required to get the trade running. So if the webmasters page say "Send 100" I force 100. I send those 100. And I get 0, zilch, nothing. Just a note, I'm not talking about everybody, I'm talking about some special cases, usually cheaters or big guys. Small and medium sites like me usually do things "by the book of rules" (and then we got fucked)

btw, you don't have the time to let people know the trade is dead? Simply tell the webmaster BEFORE signing: "It's very possible that I will delete your trade without notice, so be warned"

Finally, Aztek: you did this to me twice!!!!! (after you asked to me to get the trade again because you had trouble with your script and you sent me 0,zilch, nothing)

Again, I don't want to start a war, it's like lately I'm like tired of shit and more than tired of keeping my mouth shut, so please, before another "genius" explaining me the "hyperstring theory" or whatever, I'm not that idiot. Just in case

And lately, very inclinde to shout the truth about things we all know they aren't. If the shoe fits you, use it. Those who don't are more than welcome to deal with me

Peace

Harvey

PS: Sorry if this one sounds a little bitter, specially with Backov, but I hate to be treated like dumb, specially when there's no God (or Guru) that can back up your theory

[harvey]

And to backov, I don't have anything against you, I don't even trade with you!

[The Badgurl]

I think you missed the point..

took me awhile to figure it out.

A surfer hits your site.

Then, they click on a few links while on your site..

so, if the surfer is good..eh...

he clicks on lots of links..good productivity.,

so, one surfer can give lots of hits! that's where it comes from...it's not some majik trick..and it's not some bs...

That's why they keep talking about layout..if the surfer see's content, real .,..one his first click..he may just stick around to try to find more...

get it?

I sure didn't...*lol*

hey Pinox, what site are you, by the way???

[Marina]

Ron,
It can be frustrating..... what gets me is I have lots of trades over 5k which I baby a lot...... and what pisses me off is some idiot messaging me on icq asking why I'm not sending more... I look and he has sent 19 hits with 1 click out! Well I use to be very pleasant with these people but not anymore... I can't handle people whinning about a trade under 500 because I specifically say on the sign up page in a n huge font that if you can't send AT LEAST 500 DO NOT sign up! So from now on I'm just telling them that I'm not going to trade with them.... I tell them to remove my link and I will do the same... I don't have the time and energy to waste with this especially after specifying it on my trade page and on the ucj sign up page!

ugh I had to vent..... http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Backov]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by harvey:
Backov:
1) Ok, where does the fresh traffic comes from? I know! From bookmarks! http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif
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Who bookmarks a CJ or CJ2? No, the fresh traffic comes from Search Engines, exits from other CJs, redirected free site traffic, posted galleries, etc..

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">
3) CJ Maths should be known as the biggest discovery after relativity theory? I guess you must get a Nobel and Einstein, hawkins...
(crap deleted}
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You proved by this last bit that:

1) You're a shithead
and
2) You STILL have no clue how CJ works. Badgurl and Marina were very nice to you for some reason, but since you decided to attack me, I don't have to be.. You have no clue, get out of this industry before you lose your shirt you dumbass.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">
Finally, Aztek: you did this to me twice!!!!! (after you asked to me to get the trade again because you had trouble with your script and you sent me 0,zilch, nothing)
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Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

[quote]
please, before another "genius" explaining me the "hyperstring theory" or whatever, I'm not that idiot. Just in case
[quote]

No, you really are.

Backov

[Pinox]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by The Badgurl:

hey Pinox, what site are you, by the way???</font>

SweetXXXteenS

[42adult]

More Fresh Spam! Just one more piece of spam and I'm permanently banned!

[Note: This message has been edited by Rimmer]

[basschick]

no, pinox, that is NOT how i trade!

perhaps if they have a rule posted that explains why - like you're not sending enough hits - i could understand it.

prozac is a drag - try a valium instead http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[toker]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 42adult:
I also have a bookmark script set up where I send those quality bookmarked traffic direct to my CJ trades..

No more asking the user to bookmark your website!</font>

So in other words your just a cheating asshole with no concept of fair game. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/mad.gif

This auto-bookmark shit is like locking wild game in a cage and shooting it. It may be easier that way but no one will respect you for an effortless hunt.

Take your shitty script and your BS somwhere else and if anyone decides to use this method get ready to be blacklisted by many honest webmasters. This really backs up the theory of the bigger sites cheating the smaller guys in this industry.

I think its toally wrong and we have gone over this subject so many times i have lost count. I just hope surfers bitch enuff to get your host to shut you down if you pull this crap.

I think the theory of CJ depends on the script you use and how you play the trades. I have noticed no 2 scripts perform equal some will do better depending on how you use them. I also find that higher ratio to the bigger trades helps quite a bit but it really depends on your layout and click ratio.

I would also request somone remove the fuckin URL 42adult jackass posted... http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/mad.gif

[mukoh]

Interesting thing is i had a trade like that today, maria from sinserver signed up and sent 6 hits, i thought the trade was going to go well since prod was good, so i set the ratio to force out hits, sent out total 250 today and not one hit back. You gotta love this. on 6 hits a person gets 250.

[AzteK]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by mukoh:
Interesting thing is i had a trade like that today, maria from sinserver signed up and sent 6 hits, i thought the trade was going to go well since prod was good, so i set the ratio to force out hits, sent out total 250 today and not one hit back. You gotta love this. on 6 hits a person gets 250.</font>

could I ask you how did you "assume" that it's going to be a good trade with 6 hits and send 250?

[Pinox]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by basschick:
no, pinox, that is NOT how i trade!

perhaps if they have a rule posted that explains why - like you're not sending enough hits - i could understand it.

prozac is a drag - try a valium instead http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif</font>

Basschick, i have totally understanding for that, absolutly. When i go to a site, and i see that a minimum trade is 1K or 2K i dont sign up because i know im not able to send that in a day. Well not yet...
Okay, i signed up on one site who has as minimum 500. I donts end 500 to that site, i know that but she didnt delete me.

Of course, when i signup and the min. is 1K or more and i send only 100 a day then the webmaster of the other site has the right to delete the trade without warning.

Thats why i dont trade yet with the real Big sites, only "smaller" ones. And about this sites im talking about.

Yeah, prozac is shit.. i have still my depression hehehe http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Will try Valium instead for my nerves....

Ron

[Doctor Dre]

I'm ok with any trade size and I don't delete any trades that send hits except if they have console hell and other crap ...

I think everybody should do like I do ... We have trading scripts so why we need to delete small sites ? I have over 130 active trades now ... no matter big or small I don't give a fuck ! lol

Well thats it http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif
Contact me on icq if you want to trade .

[Doctor Dre]

Oh and not only small guys do that ... I had problems with shemp 2 times . I've sent probably 15 000 hits to get in his top 5 and he never returned nothing ! lol

[Dan S]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Doctor Dre:

I think everybody should do like I do ... We have trading scripts so why we need to delete small sites ? I have over 130 active trades now ... no matter big or small I don't give a fuck ! lol</font>

Well, I am really trying to work with any trade size, and I am trying to keep every trade alive. My sites clearly say that I do NOT whish to trade less than 200 ucj hits a day.

I move every trade from the new members list to the active trades when it comes somewhat close to 100 in and the prod is somewhat decent.

Also I am adding a 10 min/hour.
My 10 minimum is worth about 200 a day...there is a reason why I dont want to trade below 200.

Now the trades that do not take off dont get the minimum from me for a day. Next day I check and most of the trades show zero. Thats when they get deleted, cause they dont show any effort to keep a 200 trade running.

If I wouldnt delete them I would have very soon a hundred trades that send in 100 and suck up 200. Thats 10k waisted hits to trades that are not productive.

The trades that I delete do not show any effort to get a TRADE going.

Dan