Did America Deserve it?

[michaelw]

Yesterday, when i turned on the tv and saw the second plane hit the WTC, I wanted to kill each and every one of the basturds who had a part of this. I went out for a bit, and a flood of thoughts came in my mind, and propaganda was one of them. when i went home, i turned off the tv, and thought about what happened, and actually put some thought in why this occured. I now completely see the terrorists (likely the muslims) view on this.

If you remember, the Jews wanted their own country, and it was decided that they were going to get part of muslims land, and then that peice would be Israel. Now, this pissed the muslims off quite a bit (imagine if a state or two of america was given to their enemies just because they asked for it) and for good reason. Sadly, it didnt stop there. Muslims land was taken away, their HOUSES were taken away and jews got their brand new houses there, their food was taken away, their jobs, hell, even the water flow was stopped so the palastineans (muslims) were left to die. Not to mention, other muslim countries were CONQUERED by the jews. Now, what can the muslims do if the jews are literally making them prisoners in their own country; they are forced to attack. The muslims tried to protect their own country, and what happens? AMERICA, (who is becoming a bit too arrogant) decided to take part into this issue, and help the jews annahilate the muslims. Literally, america gave billions of dollars to the jews, and free weapons and armory. The muslims, who, if they tried anything, would have to answer to america. They were then not allowed to keep planes, weapons, bombs, etc, etc all because of the US. Now we can see why they were so damn mad at america.

If you remember back, there was a racism meeting between the nations of the world, and if i recall correctly, America backed out of it. They were supposed to comdemn israel. When the UN decided to stop isreal because what they were doing was wrong, America of course stopped this.

America is waay to arrogant now. They think they can police the entire world, destroy entire nations because of what they think is "right" and nothing should be done to them. This was a huge slap in the face of america, but sadly the ones who caused these deaths will likely not be caught. If america tries to bomb innocent cities, the world will laugh at them and even turn on them.

Thousands upon thousands of muslims have died because of america, and their life will never be the same. What happened yesterday is NOTHING compared to the suffering and loss of life for the muslims. There is probably a line of THOUSANDS of people who would kill themselves to deliver a blow to the US. If you think America is liked around the world, go talk to europeans, and listen to what they have to say.

Would i ever want to live in a muslim country? HELL NO. Do I like what happened yesterday? HELL NO. But if youre going to argue, look at both sides, and dont just jump to conclusions because of propaganda. god gave you a brain, you have to use it. If you remember nostradamus's prophecies, he predicted this would happen, and he also said that the main cause of this was the anti-christ. Here are the exact words:

"In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb" , "The third big war will begin when the big city is burning"
- Nostradamus 1654

a. Overview: horrible battles, weapons, devastation, death
b. Nuclear confrontation in the Middle East
c. Mediterranean campaign and the battles of Gibraltar
d. Bomb sent at New York by the Antichrist, France retaliates
e. Bacteriological warfare strikes New York and London
f. Antichrist conquers Europe
g. The Antichrist invades Britain
h. The crucial meeting on the naval carrier
i. Seas, rivers, lakes boil; famines lead to insane cannibalism
j. Antichrist's commander succumbs to key strategic failure
k. Russia breaks free of the Antichrist
l. North Pole Alliance of North America, Europe, Russia forms
m. Ogmios confronts the Antichrist, fate of world in balance
n. Antichrist eventually dethroned

If you think about it, the antichrist are probably the jews. (Dont want to be racist here, im not racist, i know many jews who are EXTREMELY nice, but im simply stating a fact.. a jew did after all kill jesus christ)

If youre gonna make conclusions, see both sides of the story

Please dont flame me, im just posting with a more open mind. Reply below with your comments

[michaelw]

my mistake, the title should be "did america ask for it".. they certainly did not deserve it

[WETDOG]

No 'michaelw' we did not deserve this we were takin advantage of as we have poor airline security, if the FAA had tighter guidelines it may have been a less tradigy even so that does not give the right of the Dot-heads to raise terror onto our USA Nation! and they well be dealt with very severely!

[michaelw]

i hope it is.. im right above u guys

[messiah666]

just gotta say something about the "a jew did after all kill jesus christ" part. first, i'm not 100% sure, but wasn't it the romans who killed jesus. and second which i know is right and most people seem to be too stupid to know, JESUS WAS JEWISH. so if jews were the antichrist then wouldn't that make your own christ the antichrist as well?

just felt like adding something to the board for once http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Virtual Chaos]

I think its more likely to be the muslims that attack the world than the jews. I have never heard of the jews causing a intentional death without a reason. If you are reffering to the situation in Israel, from what i recall it was the palastinians who attacked with suicide bombers to Israel, and all retaliation was against the fundimentalists, Israel has never attacked the civilian population. Israel wants peace and the palastinians have rejected it time & time over again.

The land belonged to the British before the Israeli's and this just shows how little you know. The state of Israel was formed , and jews were living in the country at the time.

SO why do you bother posting such a dumb & insane post? You can think as much as you want about it, but you will never get anywhere. The US are backing Israel because they know they are correct, and are a democratic country.

Your just wasting your time and mine.

Go get them bush.... God bless america.

[Swat]

Yet we have another loser that believes that usa got what they were deserved .

I am a jewish from israel . my grandfather was killed as a soldier in the red army of ex ussr , right before russia has conquered berlin .
The whole idea of even thinking if 'america' did deserve it or not : may i ask you who do you call america ? , those were children there in the TWC , mothers , bankers , business men , there were NOT soldiers . How in this world can any one thinks that an attack against civillians has maybe a justification , i just dont get it .

As virtual choas said , the jews were living in israel with the arabs before the stated of israel was formed .
If you want to tell us about history , then go read some books before you fill this board with BS .
Muslims are suffering , that's right , but can you say it because of the usa ? or israel ?
Do Arab needed jewish at the following wars ?
let me remind you the 10 years war between iran - iraq . the conquer of kuwait by iraq , the almost war between syria and turkey 4 years ago due the a demand of turkey for syria to give them the leader ozalan , that brought terror to turkey .
Let me remind you some countries that suffered from islamic terror groups :
Russian from Zeznia .
Russian from Afganistanian radical islamic groups .
Yugoslavia from Albanians .
Jordan from the radical palestinian revolution 30 years ago .
And now USA .

So after that you want to tell me that arabs suffered from jews ? or from the usa ?

Every muslim country that has economy problems is a potential for a radical islamic group .that is proven from the past , and it is still proven at the present .

Think of that . for the americans , if a man or a woman has a problem , he goes to confest , and the priest forgives him , and give him the right path to go on .
If a muslim in a poor country with internal problems will go to pray , no one will try to calm him down , no one will show him the way to solve his problems . they will offer him to become holy shahid , by serving his religion cause , killing the enemies by sacrifising his body .
That is what the palestinian are be taught .
The people that in my humble opinion can only THANK israel for taking them . because before 1967 , gaza was under Egypt athority , which let them only smoke the dust of their tanks . they gave them absoloutly NOTHING .without the 1967 war, the palestinian in gaza would probably be the garbage of Egypt , suffering from chemical attack , every time they would try to complain . that was done by iraq to the courd people at the north . i dont think egypt are most soft .
So what do we get after letting them share our Economy , by giving them all the places to work at , by showing them wealth which is a result of a democtatic goverment , and hightech factories , what did we get ?
INTIFADA ! . because they would never dare to face Egypt , or any other country in the middle is , that would treat them with the most brutal way .

And one last and the most important thing .
if you ever read bin laden's motive to attack usa , then you should know that his hate to america , is not because they are supporing israel , but because they are the most powerfull country in the world , that in his opinion , tries to pass their values to the islam . and that's why he hates america . it is saddam that believes that america should die because of supporting israel , do not confuse .


Now if anyone else still thinks , that ameirca got what they were deserved .then he can go become a muslim in iran , and maybe there he will feel where he belonged .


Peace

Elron

[HeLiS]

its funny you say the US deserved it....

the UN calls on the US alot to help them out if it was upto the US they wouldnt get involved but when asked they must help just like how australia was asked to control east timor and man we got called every name under the sun tell us to go the fuck home etc etc

so no the US were helping where they could when they were asked and when it comes down to it places like Aussie and the US and the UK have to be strong on these low life rebels etc because they even for there small size are somewhat powerful which we witnessed only a day ago....

all of our countrys will stand together and the evil which did this will be removed from this earth.....

[Total Newbie]

at least michealw can "think" props to you for actually questioning this for 5 seconds.

[sqee]

HeLiS, did somebody asked US to bomb Belgrad? You watch TV too much http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif

IMHO all evil in this world are from politicians & press. They together clean up your brains, make wars for your entertainment and than you wonder - WHY AMERICA? WE ARE HELPING ANYONE!

people died in this tragedy did not deserved death, i feel sorrow for them. I had the same feeling when innocent people in Belgrad died from american bombs

I hope this tragegy will teach americans to appreciate the live of human being, even if that human is not american. So if you want to 'NUKE THEM ALL' plz turn off TV and thing a bit...

[drumsicle]

At least we as Americans can say one thing for sure...Israel is, has been, and always will be on our side.

[Milan]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Swat:

Let me remind you some countries that suffered from islamic terror groups :
Russian from Zeznia .
Russian from Afganistanian radical islamic groups .
Yugoslavia from Albanians .
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Thanks Swat but problem is that USA didnt want to understand with whom we are fighting (the same was in Bosnian war)!They called us monstrums,nazzis,dirty,etnic cleaners(and show lies about us on TV so many of you beleived that is true) and muslims are very innocent victoms(today in Kosovo lives only about 10.000 Serbians and they are there like in prison)!Albanians kill them everyday!!!!!The same situation was in Afganistan!!!They support muslims and this is way how they return a favor!!!!!!!

[wildzero]

"just like how australia was asked to control east timor" New Zealand was there to man http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif Don't forget that! With our bow and arrows, fact: New Zealand would last 30 mins in the front line before we ran out of ammo... jezus christ how safe does that make you feel? We could never have the money to get a nuclear ship or warhead so we became nuclear free.. what a laugh eh! Thank god there are countrys like American and Uk out there to save our ass if anything happend.. (we hope!)

[richard]

One can certainly understand why they have suicide bombers though.

When this happened, think about your emotions, would you have been/be prepared to sacrifice your life to retaliate?

disregarding the wrongs and the rights, what we are all feeling, must be close to what these fundamentalists feel.

[andy2000]

michaelw most of post was an intelegent veiw but Nostradamus had been dead nearly a 100 years in 1654

[snow]

Keep in mind before the hitler massacre that 2 million Armenians were killed by the turks.. This inspired hitler for ethnic cleansing... It's always the jews we talk about .. How about all he other nationalities that died in the hitler massacre...There werre Spanish,Italians,Greeks,English,People from all over the world not just jews...The media always bring up the jews,but never talk about WHAT MOTIVATED HITLER...

WHY is this????

None of this is right and no deserves to die..
We have done are share in helping many countries in disaster and economy.. Now it's time for our foreign brothers to come and help the US...

We have written off billions of dollars to foreign countries that owed us money..

And one thing is for sure... We only judge what the media says,we do not know full details of any situation these days..

The media controls the Moral of society

[magnatique]

actually, the jews lost less lives than the russians that fought hitler, just thought i'd clarify this... not many people know that, but these are facts.

doesn't take all the suffering out of it though.

only numbers...

[William]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by magnatique:
actually, the jews lost less lives than the russians that fought hitler, just thought i'd clarify this... not many people know that, but these are facts.

doesn't take all the suffering out of it though.

only numbers...</font>

Yes, but civilian and military casualties are very different.

[andy2000]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by William:
Yes, but civilian and military casualties are very different.</font>


hittler was not the only one to kill civilans the usa wiped out 2 cites and the uk killed tens of thousands of civlians in one night with a bombing raid

[William]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by andy2000:

hittler was not the only one to kill civilans the usa wiped out 2 cites and the uk killed tens of thousands of civlians in one night with a bombing raid</font>

So what. USA is GOD and everything else is just bullshit. Remember, Jews and American citizens are worth more than anyone else, or isn't that the popular belief these days?

Hey, I'm just quoting...

[bigsexvideos]

Virtual Chaos what the fuck are you saying: "the land was owned by the British". You still live in the middle-ages or whaaat.
The land was owned by who lived there: the muslims. Not the British conquers

Big up michaelw you said it all.

[stangster]

You dumb fucks are the most insensitive cheaters around.

No one asks or deserves to have millions of innocent people tragically murdered.

If these fucking cowardly terrorists feel so deeply about the aid given to the Jews by the USA, then stategically go after the leaders of the country at that time.

But no.."lets go and kill tens of thousands of innocent people instead. That will stop the Jews and they will give back the land"

Fucking morons.

-- the following is off topic btw --

I'm so sick and tired of all you green card holding fucks that live & work here but have no patriotic bone in your body.

Get the fuck out of my homeland.

--- now back to the thread --

Cowardly allah mind fucked muslims must DIE.
I hope all you fucks die.
Thank GOD we've got republicans in office now.

[basschick]

i don't like my next door neighbors, but i don't kill them.

there is a big difference between disliking someone and killing them or there should be.

there is a big difference between believing the u.s. is a giant asshole and attacking and killing thousands of people including tourists from other nations just because you feel like it.

NO country deserves this kind of terrorism.

[michaelw]

no, it doesnt. But no one deserves to have their land taken away and given to their enemies either. If it was the muslims, i COMPLETELY see why.

I dont see why americans seem to see only their side of the story over this incident. Literally, MILLIONS of others have died in times of war, but are they reported in the media? Are those deaths televised live for 3 days straight (and counting)? Hell no. It appears americans think americans are the best, and everything revolves around them. 2000 american deaths is 100x more important then say, 1 million asian or indian or muslim deaths. Were all human beings.

And what happened to the muslims was something they definately did not deserve. WOuld you like it if 3-4 states of the US were taken and given to Iraq? What would you do then if Iraq started taking over nearby states as well? And then making you prisoners in your own country? Although this will never happen, think if it did. Thats how the muslims feel. They are so freaking fed up with americas BS so they risk their lives to deliver a blow to the US. Does that tell you that they are just terrorists, or they just want justice? I can guarantee you that there must be thousands of others who would be willing to do what the terrorists did, and gladly risk their lives which america has made not even worth living.

Go to a european country and ask them what they think of america, and ask them what they think of canada or britain. Youll see a huge difference. america has outlandish foreign policies, and they think they are helping by policing around the world and making decisions for the world. Just because one country is democratic and the other is not, they think the democratic country is better, and the other country is the enemy. After destorying so many peoples lives, consequences sadly occur.

What the terrorists did was wrong, immoral and tragic. But please, be realistic about the issue.

[William]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by michaelw:
no, it doesnt. But no one deserves to have their land taken away and given to their enemies either. If it was the muslims, i COMPLETELY see why.

I dont see why americans seem to see only their side of the story over this incident. Literally, MILLIONS of others have died in times of war, but are they reported in the media? Are those deaths televised live for 3 days straight (and counting)? Hell no. It appears americans think americans are the best, and everything revolves around them. 2000 american deaths is 100x more important then say, 1 million asian or indian or muslim deaths. Were all human beings.

And what happened to the muslims was something they definately did not deserve. WOuld you like it if 3-4 states of the US were taken and given to Iraq? What would you do then if Iraq started taking over nearby states as well? And then making you prisoners in your own country? Although this will never happen, think if it did. Thats how the muslims feel. They are so freaking fed up with americas BS so they risk their lives to deliver a blow to the US. Does that tell you that they are just terrorists, or they just want justice? I can guarantee you that there must be thousands of others who would be willing to do what the terrorists did, and gladly risk their lives which america has made not even worth living.

Go to a european country and ask them what they think of america, and ask them what they think of canada or britain. Youll see a huge difference. america has outlandish foreign policies, and they think they are helping by policing around the world and making decisions for the world. Just because one country is democratic and the other is not, they think the democratic country is better, and the other country is the enemy. After destorying so many peoples lives, consequences sadly occur.

What the terrorists did was wrong, immoral and tragic. But please, be realistic about the issue.

</font>

I back you up 100% on all you said there.

[drumsicle]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by William:
I back you up 100% on all you said there.</font>

Have you ever done any research on the formation of Israel, and which land actually belongs to the Palestinians. When you assert that the Jews came in and stole the land from the Muslims, you show complete historical ignorance, as well as a weakness for Islamic "revisionism". Much of the land that was given to the Palestinians was quickly grabbed up by Egypt and Jordan. And guess what, they are not about to give it back. Why is it that the Arab countries have done so little to help the Palestinians? Why is that Israel has given the Palestinians more freedom than virtually any of the Arab countries? Why is it that 50 plus years later, Palestinians still live in refugee camps in Syria and Jordan? The fact is that the Palestinians could have co-existed with Israelis from the start. They chose not to and instead listened to the empty promises of their Arab "brothers" who said they would get ALL of the land and drive the Jews into the sea.

[snow]

This would never happen in america and stangster right on dude... I only hate who hate,otherwise i love them..In america it doesnt matter where you come from were all americans and thats what YOU DONT UNDERSTAND...
Did you not see the diverse minorities in NY...Chinese,Armenian ,Russians,Japanese ALL cultures... THESE ARE AMERICANS GOD DAMMIT..Get that through your fucking head..WE ARE ALL a melting pod of europe.. We dont all wear cowboy hats.. You guys are just as ignorant...When are stock markets close the rest of the world is fucked... So stop saying what harm americans did..They only help get the ball rolling...We helped the french with normandie what did we get in return.. We are owed billions by europe... We are all the same people..remeber that.. When you come to america your a fucking american and I KISS THE GROUND I WALK ON HERE...

[snow]

LAND how about all the land owed to Armenia and turkey.. You see us crying about it.. STOP you guys need to get over it.. Once the middle east becomes civilized everything will be ok.. But they choose to live in the stoneage...It's either democracy or nothing.. Any country who does not shosse to be democratic and part of the un will always be the underdog.

[snow]

As far as i'm concerned Israel is a democracy now.. Are the pallestinians doing this?? Sometimes you have to swallow your pride.