What the FUCK is going on with this BIZ?????

[Mr Exotic]

In the middle of June I went off to get married and go on my honeymoon, I was offline for about a week, sure things sucked before I left but they were manageable and the sites were still paying the bills, but when I come back things are terrible and profits are down 50% same with traffic (I was on the laptop some while I was gone so it wasnt like I totally abandoned everything). Well 3 days after I get back I get very seriously ill, I am in the hospital 5 times over the span of 3 weeks, and if I am in the hospital that means I cant work at all, so obviously when I am back and well enough to get back to work (about a week and a half ago) things are total shit zone. I wasnt too worried at first since I have neglected my sites before and they dropped pretty low and I was able to get them back up to where they should be in a matter of days. Well here it is a fucking week and a half later and shit is still exactly where it was when I got back online. I have tried everything, (I run celeb CJ's) but nothing seems to work. Sponsors dont convert at all, dialers fucking suck total ass, exit brokers are lame ass shaving thieves, blind link sponsors have such a shitty gateway nobody clicks, my niche (celeb) is slowly dying totally off. I have made my living off this for 2 years, its has been very very good to me (I am 20 years old and own my own home) and for the most part I can truly say I loved what I do. But now it just seems that whatever I am doing no longer works.

Sorry for the long post, but I am just frustrated as hell, and needed to vent somewhere. Somebody please point me in a direction that works!!!!

[Royaltee_Gee!]

Hey bro,

ONe of the main things is that ,

Everyone knows now that you cant get britney spears nude : ) hehe

Nothing lasts forever bro : - (

Try some other niches, or wait out the summer and see how it goes in September : -

good luck bro : )

[basschick]

first off, congrats on getting married and glad you're out of the hospital.

in my years in this business, i've seen niches drop that suddenly before. the web changes fast. test some new ones.

but also, it's summer and there are always a lot less signups in summer. people go out a lot more, and college boys are home at mom and dad's, not porn surfing.

come september, signups with go back up again.

[Royaltee_Gee!]

What % increase could we expect in september.....

[Crunch]

Summer slowdown is an excuse for lazy webmasters, just work harder http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Celeb sites are illegal anyway, I heard britney's lawyer has started asking some sites to take down her fake pics. Get a real niche where you can get real legal content and sponsors.

[candidpublishinginc]

I'm not very familiar with the celeb niche.

Are sponsors like CEN that have a celeb niche stealing content and/or making fake images?

[basschick]

crunch, i am far from a lazy webmaster. i make avs sites every day, post at least one set of galleries, review for three tgp's and have just finished making a member site which i update every day.

Royaltee_Gee, i usually see at least 20% more come september, or so it's been every year for me since summer 1997.

candid, there ain't no legal celeb content. some of the biggest in the biz do it, but even the sites "borrowing" clips from famous mainstream movies are very unlikely to have licensed the movies from paramount ;-)

[ProgGod]

Actually I believe there is a law that you can show clips under a certain amount of seconds in duration. So the bigger sites just use REAL content on the most part, taken from REAL movies.

You most likely won't find most of the bigger companies with celeb sites having any fake pictures, or atleast advertising them on the front pages of their sites.

[Groovy]

1 June,

i left on a 3 week long holiday with no acces at all. was doing 100 min daily on teen cj2.

26 June,

i'm already back for a few days. my site is running 4 days now, build up to double traffic as before. only 5 min in 3 days...
snow told a route went down, but it was up yesterday, and still i have made no more min. maybe it takes some more time before i will get some... but i hate waiting.

[Tipsy]

I've always found you gotta allow 1-2 weeks on a dialer before mins level out. It seems many download and don't actually try them properly for several days. Even so - summer is shit but signups haven't stopped completely. On the niche thing I too would say try a different one. Regarding copyright - if it's a CJ site there's really no issue there. Pics will be either non-existent or minimal.

BTW - anyone run a pissing CJ (pref not CJ2)?
I'd like to set one up but trades me be a little difficult if there's not many out there.

[tanin]

In short - SUMMER!

[Fart]

I don't believe that summer slowdown saga. We just got too many people starting into this biz and over saturating people with free stuff because they have no idea other than tgp'ing. And the sources for good traffic change all the time. I was #1 for "sex" in hotbot a few weeks ago and got just a handful of traffic, like 50 visitors or so lol.

[Tipsy]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Fart:
I don't believe that summer slowdown saga. We just got too many people starting into this biz and over saturating people with free stuff because they have no idea other than tgp'ing. And the sources for good traffic change all the time. I was #1 for "sex" in hotbot a few weeks ago and got just a handful of traffic, like 50 visitors or so lol.</font>

Hmmm...odd statement. All that would explain is why it's now harder than ever to make a sale. Yes it is, but still very possible if you go about it in the right way. The people who suffer worse seem to be the ones who stick to just one method of making money.

The question was really asking about the sudden turn down now which has bugger all to do with the amount of people selling porn as there's not been a huge sudden influx. And yes - summer does have a big impact. You just gotta work around it http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Groovy]

i don't believe summer has anything to do with it for sure, 3 weeks ago is what i'm talking about only 3 weeks dudes!

that might only be 5-8% decrease well, let's say 20% in 3 weeks!!! no fucking way but anyway than i'm still doing very bad...

my traffic became 3 times more than ever and only 2 german min yesterday... there's something else going on atleast with gib. ( i didn't say i don't like snow or gib or anyone ok?
snow's an ok guy and i don't know anything about gib, only that they made me huge min in june. maybe Tipsy is right... maybe it takes more time before i see my min, but i mean atleast 3-4k clicks on dialer bring me 7 min... that's kinda low not?

[Groovy]

and plz people this is one of the less interesting posts so don't ruin it by blaming companies or persons.

thanx, Groovy

[Dracula]

Same here, at 22k traffic and growing, 30 mins. in Italy, 34 seconds in Japan http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif and that's all for yesterday. Very very low compared to my traffic at the begining of the month (7k - 10-15$ daily with dialer) and now (22k - 4$ daily with dialer).

Just like hell http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif. Summer is slow. I only make a huge hosting bill.

Peace

[Filipe]

I'm on the celeb niche, my traffic is ok and my gib minutes are better than ever.

More celeb sites are coming soon http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[tmknight]

Hi all,

Let me add this to the mix, my summer was going great until about 2-3 weeks ago. I'v dealt through summers before and HAVE NOTICED a decrease in traffic and signups. Well, needless to say, my signups and traffic have decreased recently.

In my head I'm writing this off to delayed summer effect. I know shit will pick up in just over a month and I'll have 6 months increased income. But, I'm a paranoid fuck and I'm now working 20 hours per day making sure my stuff is solid.

You ain't the only one in this boat. I'm just looking for a paddle.

Take care,

Tommy

[Groovy]

hey tommy gimme your icq number plz.

i wanna ask you some sick shit http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Bullet]

I agree with whoever said work harder. The summer's been fine for me, but unfortunately I've only left the house for about 20 minutes all summer http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif

[tmknight]

Groovy,

Not too sick, eh? 44061708

- Tommy

[12clicks]

anyone who doesn't believe in a summer slowdown probably hasn't been around enough summers to see the pattern. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

of course, we've been in a 1 year downward slide that should help rid us of the weak.

[evilcat]

Yeah, I'm wondering what is up too, it was a lot better 6 months ago when I was building lots of free sites, now sales are pretty bad!

[magnatique]

12clicks right..

last year I didn't see it cuz I was pushing dialers, and they were new... but fuck this year's summer is hurting bad.

[massivex]

I think we need something new !!!!Something interesting
C-ya

[FreZ]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by massivex:
I think we need something new !!!!Something interesting
C-ya</font>

Yeah, Like TGP2 http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Mikey]

Hopefully this slow summer will shake out the weak players who can't stand a few slow months. More room to grow for the rest of us when the market comes back.

[*Kimmykim*]

There really is a summer slowdown, that's not a made up thing -- I've seen a graph that covers multiple years and the joins do start to gradually drop around late April, early May -- bottoming out in the first two or three weeks in August and then starting to climb again, peaking in January and February.

Which brings up a couple of points --

1. Those of you that get paid per click or per join might want to seriously consider pushing recurring programs starting in late March or so, at least thru mid-August. While you don't get your $$ upfront, at least you've got money coming in to offset the slow times. There are still good recurring sponsors with killer retention -- not picking any favorites here but for amateur traffic, I've never seen a site like The Wetlands on retention -- it's just incredible.

2. New gimmicks -- just like toons, penis enlargement, 4free type sites and really off the wall fetishes like peeing, any time something new comes out it generally does well -- the surfers haven't seen it, it's got their interest, they join in droves -- but then the competition comes and there are lots of sites for the new idea becomes old, both to the surfer and the resellers. Sales begin to level off to a realistic point and if the niche is any good, will hold there for awhile.

The next problem soooo many webmasters, especially newbies, have is they do not properly target and qualify a surfer as a prospect. I see sites with an ebony theme using teen or amateur banners, sites that are tranny with gay banners, etc -- this does no one any good -- surfers won't click the banners, and if they do go to the tours they aren't buying because its not what they want.

Then we have the issue of resellers never telling a surfer there's going to be payment involved. Huge mistake in my book. Why send 10000 people to a tour who have no clue they'll have to pay? If they are really determined to get something free, they'll just go back to where they started and there's no sale made. And hell alot of surfers are simply freeloading bandwidth suckers anyway, why even fiddle with them?

I know for a fact there is more money than ever coming into this industry this year -- however, when you get competition where there wasn't any before then those that take positive steps to turn a surfer into a qualified prospect are going to be the ones that make the money.

Marketing doesn't change but banners, text links, placement, etc should -- I hear all the time, oh same traffic, sales shouldn't be down. Well if you're getting the same traffic don't you think they get tired of looking at the same freaking banners and the same site with different pictures and font faces all the time? Some of that traffic is repeat business, I'll bet you money -- people use the same starting points repeatedly, so if they are coming from Tommy, or Yahoo, or Worldsex, don't you think they'd be coming from there more than just once?

Some simple things to think about maybe.

[Brian911]

crazy thing about "my summer slowdown" is that the traffic stays the same while sign-ups and minutes go down to hell!

I think its like ARS and the others saying "ok, its summer. lets shave 80% of their sign-ups, they wont realize it and will make summer 'guilty'" http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[Shovel]

Good post KimmyKim, food for thought there.

[Derek]

I am also having a lot of problems making money. When all the kids go back to school, things will pick up. I also suggest running a qulity site rather then a high traffic site. In this biz, its quality over quanity. A site that has 50k can make a lot more money then a site that has 100k. Its the sites that focus on quanity that hurt the most in the summer.

Thats just my 2 cents http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[*Kimmykim*]

Derek --

That is very true -- you have two choices, quantity or quality.

Take McDonalds for instance -- if they make a nickel clear profit on every Big Mac they sell, I'd be surprised. But they sell a damn lot of Big Macs in a day.

Now take a fine dining restaurant, where they might clear 10 bucks profit on an entree -- however, they wouldn't be fine dining if they could sell as many steaks as the average McD's sells Big Macs a day...

Getting a clear idea of what kind of traffic you have, what kind you want, and how much profit per click you are looking for should guide your site building and the places you submit.

[Melody]

I've been through so many downslides in this business, my shorts are on fire. Every single stinkin' year, there's the same drop-off. And of course, this year is worse...because of what the industry went through in October, because of the uncertainty of Ashcroft, and also no doubt, because of some haud passibus aequis self-interest stuff going on, but then we're the ones sending the traffic. If we don't like the numbers, we can start our own, which is what I'm doing.

Be creative, think out of the box, move traffic around. Let your stats talk to you...what traffic is being bought? Ebony, toon, etc? Also, there are a lot of small programs "out there" that have been underutilized. And there are some sponsors that ARE kicking ass, throughout this whole summer in hell.

I'm still doing well with celebrity...Adwealth, Trafficcash, etc.

Just hang on through the summer, we'll see numbers returning to what they were in the spring. Make no mistake, we're in for a mean ass winter, but not nearly as bad as the summer has been.

Shore up your traffic, follow what Kimmy said (especially if you have locus-type traffic...Yahoo, etc), maximized every click, and take advantage of the big drop in overhead costs, by finding a new host, etc, to drop costs.