rb4 vs. X3 trader

[easy18s]

Which script do you all preffer? The rb4 or the X3trader, and why? Feel free to mention a different script if you know of a better one.

good day

[C o y o t e]

I prefer Easy CJ (especially 5.0-6.0) ! That's the only CJ script that has much more features then any other CJ scripts combined + it has such important functions as "main page rotation" for raw hits and "cheaters lookup" function! I have 60k CJ2 site based on Easy CJ 6.0 without any content! :p

P.S. I didn's use X3trader so I can't say anything about it!

[xxxsponsor]

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http://www.scripttown.com/

All of the testusers there used UCJ, have now change to Larsen.

[XP]

More features = Slow Speed
UCJ da best :D

[C o y o t e]

Originally posted by XP:
<STRONG>More features = Slow Speed
UCJ da best :D</STRONG>

Who told you that!? LOL !!! Easy CJ has only the most important and needed features for a good trading! The full list can be found here: http://www.webmasterscripts.net/easy_cj.html

[Aquaman]

I use the Larsen script on 3 of my sites. They have 120.000 visitors a day combined. I reached 40K within 3 days at my latest site. :)

Larsen: http://www.scripttown.com/

[Shannon]

I have copies of x3 as well as UCJ - Dont get the x3. It's a shitty script that sends out almost all raw to trades and the force hit option does'nt work worth shit nor does the add trade form. I have had this script almost from the beginning and no matter how you set it to trade it waste a ton of traffic.A matter of fact I have been waiting to here from x3 for over 2 weeks!

UCJ is $50.00 cheaper and all functions work properly & Tim offers kick-ass support.

Best Of Luck :)

[Exxxotica]

It's not the script that makes a big site...it's the webmaster.

There are sites out there with no script ding 100k or more a day.

There are sites out there with every fancy script imaginable...that cant clear more than 1k a day.

If you are not good at mananging your site, no scirpt will help you.

[Aquaman]

Exxxotica:

That is true, but the Larsen script have a lot of great features, that has made it very easy for me, to get into this trade business.

[Dracula]

In my oppinion, every script that is using MYSQL is not so safe.
I have experienced numerous DB crashes :(

I'm using UCJ and I really don't know what else should other script bring.

[easy18s]

Okay, I take it the UCJ is the best. If all I want to do is use this script for link exchanges, and I wont be having a complete CJ site. Only for example sites 1-10 for link exchanges.

Should i still go with the UCJ or is it a waste of money? Do you think i should make the stite a CJ site or not?

Thanks

[C o y o t e]

Originally posted by Dracula:
<STRONG>In my oppinion, every script that is using MYSQL is not so safe.
I have experienced numerous DB crashes :(

I'm using UCJ and I really don't know what else should other script bring.</STRONG>

I can tell you what Easy CJ can bring you and UCJ has no such features!!!
Easy CJ can rotate main pages for raw hits! I currently have 4 pages for rotation and as a result the productivity for those traders, who send me only 50-60% of uniques is the same great as for those, who send me 95% uniques !!!

[kmanrox]

* vc. UCJ == UCJ WINS HANDS DOWN

[run]

jeez UCJ is a C script and EasyCJ is PHP its funny you even compare it.

[vovan!]

Run,

why do you think that scripts that are written in C are always better then PHP,PERL,ASP and so on???
Man, it depends how the script is written.
Also, if compress a php script with Zend Encoder that will bring the same speed to a php script as C. Plus, PHP can be combined with apache (as a module) this allows php to send header tags to apache must faster. This way redirection in out script goes faster then with C.

P.S. PHP team is working on a module that will allow to load php scripts into server memory once and then use the script from the memory. Once done, PHP scripts will be MUCH faster then C.

[richard]

Apache is written in C
Apache modules are written in C
PHP is written in C

:)

[PeepNTom]

UCJ is sweet, yeah there are others that
are good, but look around, do you think
you see more sites running UCJ because
they cant find anything else?

No way, more sites use UCJ because it
is the best at what it is designed to'
do, hands down!

my .02 ;)

[gotys]

Larsen ? LOL. Listen to me guys. A script that is written in PHP and uses MySQL is ok as far as you don't need to run it 40 times per second. Then it will crap out, trust me. Not to mention, that if you are on shared hosting, and someone else uses MySQL, they fuck up something, your site goes to hell. So if I can suggest something to you, when it comes to reliability and speed, always stick with C scripts that don't use any kind of Databases (well, maybe Oracle :)) Therefore, Larsen and other craps out there written in PHP are pieces of shit. I would stick with UCJ or Blindio.

[gotys]

richard, what's your point? So is Perl written in C as well. And? They are slow as shit becuase they are not compiled languages.

[vovan!]

Gotys,

blindio uses mysql too :) So, you say it is a shit script?

Further, 40 times per second that is 3456000 hits in 24 hours! What site has such traffic? + Even UCJ will require a dedicated hosting for such a big site.

Everything depends on the host configuration. The better you configure it, the more stable it is with any scripts.

[richard]

my point is how can one say "PHP scripts WILL be faster than C scripts", when PHP, Apache etc are all written in C themselves?

MySQL, also coded in C i believe?

I know its all about programming skills, but at the end of the day, a highly skilled C programmer will write faster/smaller code than a skilled PHP programmer.

P.S. PHP team is working on a module that will allow to load php scripts into server memory once and then use the script from the memory. Once done, PHP scripts will be MUCH faster then C.

bull :)

[Dracula]

How about a script written in assembler? ;)
With PHP only on the user admin...

[run]

P.S. PHP team is working on a module that will allow to load php scripts into server memory once and then use the script from the memory. Once done, PHP scripts will be MUCH faster then C.


do you actually think the operating system would read a CGI script from HD every time? Not even if you have MS DOS on your server.

Binary code is already loaded 99% of the times. Unlike perl or php, it does not have to be parsed.

[run]

PHP scripts will be MUCH faster then C


no offence, but i think you have been smoking TOO MUCH lately.


I don't know anything about your script. Maybe its a kick ass one, maybe not. However it seems like you tend to provide misleading information ir order to get more sales.

On the other hand if you honestly believe in what you say, you should open "computer architecture 101" book again. Just my 2 cents.

[Stallion]

Alright guys....

First off, right now, scripts written in C/C++ are faster than srcipts in PHP. The reason is, even as an Apache module, PHP scripts are interpreted at runtime. vovan was saying that PHP (as Apache module) will get headers to the server faster, but in no way does this make PHP faster for your in/out scripts, becase the substance of these scripts (especially the out) is the many calculations and file/database work - which is faster in C.

The very best thing that exists right now for high-traffic dynamic web scripting is a technology called Java Servlets. People may think that Java is slow, because it runs on a Virtual Machine (yes, written in C/C++). This is true for desktop applications. But this is not Java's strength. (Do you EVER see any commercial desktop applications written in Java?) The reason Java Sevlets are so fast is because the code for a Servlet is loaded into memory once. Then, every subsiquient HTTP request simply creates a new, lightwieght, Java Thread, as apposed to an entirely new, heavywieght, process as in a CGI written in C/C++.

The reason that Java Servlets are so powerful (as in other than being fast) lies in the fact that due to the way they are loaded in to memory only once, they have a totally different life cycle than a CGI. Essentially, a Servlet never dies until the Servlet Engine (Tomcat: http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/index.html) is shut down for some reason. This means that they can have (what I call) 'persistent data structures'. That is, any arbitraty information can persist from one HTTP request to another. In terms of CJ, this can have an enormous benifit in both the speed and the accuracy of sending blind hits; the Servlet could have the next blind hit waiting for the surfer before they even click on a blind link. All it would (should) have to do is make sure that the user didn't come from that trade, or hasn't been sent to that trade already. The intense calculations for which trades get how many hits and when they get them, etc., would all be done on the servlets own time, not when the surfer is waiting to be sent to a trade.

This may sound familiar to those who read vovan's above post (in the P.S.) where he mentioned that PHP is working on implementing a simillar life cycle for PHP scripts. I strongly doubt that they will have these 'persistant data structures' that I described for Java Servlets, but it will mean that, compared to C/C++ CGI scripts, they will be much faster.

(Why are there no CJ scripts in Java Servlets??? Because porn hosts do not support them. Both the Java Runtime Environment, and Apache's Servlet engine, Tomcat, are free, but somewhat difficult to set up at first. Servlets are a new technology and generally used only for Enterprise type web sites such as those for online banking and stock trading, ect. As such, your regular porn host, who wants as litle trouble as possible, has never bothered to provide support for them. Additionally, most host admin don't even know what Java Servlets are!)

The truth of the matter is that processing power is so high these days that does it really matter if it takes 10 ms or 20 ms (C Vs. PHP) for a surfer to be sent to the next site??? No way. That time is completely negligible compared to the time it takes that next site to load (and we all know how slow some porn hosts can be). What does that mean? It means that the speed of your out script doesn't mean a thing if it takes forever for the next site to load. This may mean that your site will have bad prod on your trade partner's site, because surfer's are closing the page before it even loads, but so will everyone else's, resulting in that particular trading partner's site going nowhere. The most important speed factor in CJ is your the speen of your own server. You want your page to load as fast as possible so that surfers actually see something good before they close the window (remember being 15 looking at porn??). The speed of your script is negligible compared to this time.

I don't mean to suggest that you should all run out and get some free PHP piece of crap like that script I can't name because it is banned from this message boared, because the way a script trades, and it's other features are very important.

The other truth is that no great script will be written in PHP because the person who writes it will be ripped off from day one... modifying PHP is as easy as opening it up in Notepad, and changing what you need to to make it work for any site you need. CJ scrips written in C/C++ are compiled into binary (machine code), so you can not move it from one site to another. Anyone with the know-how to write a good script will also have the know-how to not allow themselves to be ripped off in this manner.

Hope this helps :)

[subog]

Wow long post...
But just some comment
"becase the substance of these scripts (especially the out) is the many calculations and file/database work"
If you know what u are doing... then actually it doesn't.

"The other truth is that no great script will be written in PHP because the person who writes it will be ripped off from day one... modifying PHP is as easy as opening it up in Notepad, and changing what you need to to make it work for any site you need"
There is Zend Encoder.

[run]

and decoder

[run]

ok that was just a thought never used any zend stuff :D

[subog]

run, plz dont scare people!!!

[The Professional]

ha hah a....

needless to say... C will always be what webmasters want for speed... I'm not gonna spue my guts with a bunch of infos... but I agree with Stallion... until Servlets are widely suppored by adult hosts... C will be the number one choice...

out
The Professional
;)