Copyright Solutions

[Killah]

Many of you will agree when I say that all the new people that jump into this business with tons of galleries, TGPs and other free porn kill the profit of the people that push money into this bizz. Most of them have a HD full of pictures without license and start free sites or post galleries to make the quick cash.
So an idea to work against this would be to make it impossible for them to get TGP-Listings or link-trades if they don't have licensed content on their sites. It sounds nearly impossible, but let's work on that idea. If the content suppliers would use a system that makes it possible to check if the content on a site is licensed somewhere, then there would be a possibility for TGPs and Traffic-Traders to exclude newbee-pages from their listings or trades.
Maybe a system with IDs that you can check on a global content-page could be a solution.
Let's discuss about this, maybe it's easier than I expect.

[Dan S]

Good idea http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

but it would also consume about double the time to check the gallery + if the submitter holds a license for the pics. If not even longer than that... http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif

[Due]

Great Idea Killah.
You got some good ideas sometimes http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif
Espicially like it since it come from you http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif
Lets make one for exit sponsors copying consoles as well.
Or site seller selling illegal sites also.
That would make the DB perfect it.
Or mayby also a DB of webmaster sites asking people to go and steal pictures that are listed at the big TGP's in order to get some free content to get started with.
Damn there is so many things to include in this DB that it could continue forever.
A good idea that I'm SURE no one ever thought of before http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif but do you have any ideas on how to inforce it?

[Killah]

Due, simply fuck you, OK ?
I asked for a discussion, not for a dumb danish asshole. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[CyberDruid]

DUE YOU COCKSUCKER!!! http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[pooky]

Leave the guy alone for fucks sakes.....seriously....you idea is sound but flawed.....unless you had a universal system in place...which nobody would use....how do you enforce it?

[Bill Cosby]

Due
Wasnt it killah who stole your exit console you made for stiffycash?

fill us in

[toker]

Ah yes the fuckin copycats they do suck monkey balls!!

I have the solution for some of this and kinda in some ways like the idea of restricting posters. However as well all know how hard it is to get good clean posts this could really put smaller TGPs out of biz.

I would actually not mind paying for content myself for good posters or supply them with my own personal content if it came down to this. I think it would take quit a bit of work and resources to setup such a system. However posters could have an ID which the TGP scripts could verify thru a string on the supplyers site. This would require modifications to TGP scripts however to prevent reviewers from going thru a nightmare of checking this by hand.

I see some ups and downs to this idea but i really think we need to weed out the layout and copyright violaters before the image thieves.

I keep copies of all my designs ziped up with dates and documentation of such for every design or layout. This is what every designer should do and add special formats to your HTML that only you know about. I do have ways to detect my work on a copycat site for the most part. Every time i document what i have used and its done a little different so a pattern cant be found.

Quick example: Use mixed case for particular tags like HtMl ect.. or adding <mytag> or your initials somewhere into the code in special tags.

[Killah]

Toker, maybe that system could work. If TGPs could check if a webmaster has some ID from a content supplier, the chance that this guy pushed money into content is pretty high. Wolfshade had the idea to add some kind of text string to the pictures that a software could scan. But I guess that's no solutions because the pictures should stay clean.

To Due, Pooky and the other idiot: Same people as usual with the same old shit. Seems to be a hobby for you to post bullshit in discussions. Pretty sad that you have nothing intelligent to add here, but I mentioned that before. So go on with it, I don't comment it anymore.

Killah
Sellyourexit.com

[pooky]

Killah....why dont you lick my Canadian ass...and peddle your half ass product on GFY.

Fucking spammer...

[Killah]

BBS ain't mean Bitch'n-Bullshittin-System, idiot...

[pooky]

Idiot? im not the one who almost ruined myself spamming the world the other day...im not the mo mo who has the shittiest of tracking for exit sponsors......and im not the fucking idiot who is in bed with babenet!

[Killah]

Dude, what's the deal to turn each and every topic into your bullshit-stories ? One simple question: Which websites/projects do you run my Canadian Friend ? As you don't have the balls to post your ICQ, it should be possible to deal with that question, right ?

[richard]

Due, was waiting for your post http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

Touche Pooky, Touche http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Good idea though, you don't link a poster to a content provider, you link a domain to a content provider (suppose split into per set ordered).

You have me brainstorming how this could be setup, it would not be thaaaaaaat hard.. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[pooky]

Why do I ned to post my icq #?

The people I put on my list are normal ppl with things that are educational to say to me...i take ppl off it when they become fools...

The whole world dont need my number...im not that important.

As per the sites I run....why the fuck are they important to you???? do you wanna resell?? ive been on a massive ripp off spree for my webmasters....so i guess you would git right in with me! woo hoo.

[Killah]

Exactly what I expected. No URLs. No ICQ. Go on, wannabe, go on... You are such a joke.

Rich, there are 2 seperate parts of this story. One is the content ordered since a system get's installed and the other part are the tons of content that are flying arround in the web. So a system to manage both is the way to go. Explain that domain-idea...

[pooky]

I love you man!

[richard]

the domain thing was merely a correction in your logic - content is licensed to a set of domains right (usually 5), so this system should check based on domains it finds the content on.

three parts to the system:

1) software for content providers
2) software for TGPs, link sites etc
3) central database

The content providers would have to fill in their license details into their software, which would store the data on a central server.

The TGP would then access the central server and check out the details.

The problem would be with the actual picture files - can GIF/JPG contain secure codes to identify them? (i'm not up to speed on my image formats).

You need to be able to have a system that says "this image belongs to this content provider", then lookup and cross reference the image id with the content provider's records.

The problem lies when people start hacking the system apart, and changing these "embedded ids" - you could purchase 1 set, and change all your illegal pics' ids to that set.

[Killah]

As far as I know there is a data-tag in GIF files that you can edit, for example to add a ID-Code. JPG is the problem... Some Experts out there that know more about this format ?

[RonB]

... no publisher and no provider will do that extra work!

we sale our sets with lifetime license for all domains owned and operate!
that includes free servers!

we have more important things to do than enter all domains in some database.

another thing, you purchase images named abc1001 and now you change the name to xyz101, your database tells you: no license!

you can watermark all images, 1,000 watermarks cost $200 and you can't modify the images! no webmaster buy that kind of content.

and more things ... the list is to long!

[richard]

a content publisher not concerned about copyright infringements? show me your site... (muahahaha).

License to use on a freehost+all domains? thats pretty slack licensing, and surely almost unenforcable?

I find someone who has bought a license for your sets, use them on my site, and if you come a knocking, he tells you its his site...

Its not that much extra work, esp if you have programmers on the case to batch stuff up and convert existing records/databasees into the centralised system.

The problem this would face at the moment, is identifying the sets/images, which is a pretty big problem.

[toker]

I actually see this as an investment on every content dealers behalf. I also think thats a stupid thing for a content provider to act as if it were not important to protect their work.

The way that most of you are looking at this would work 50% at best and reasons be mainly there it much amature and self promotion type content. You dont take into consideration that many small sites who produce maybe 1-5 sets a month of amature of girls for their small sites might not be able to enforce this like the bigger guys. Also you have many girls and husbands ect.. who drop content to newsgroups and other places quite often which does fall in public domain 99% of the time.

To add data tags would require a new image format totally chaging from .jpg to something else to make it legal and effective. To deal only with watermarked images would require thousands of people to use the same technology. Then you need every pic already floating around to be gathered and marked by licensed owners of that content.

I however see another way around this issue could be like an AVS type deal that posters must go thru before posting to a TGP. This way they can be locked out if they are caught violating and or questionable content like the lolita crap.

[freap]

just start a webmasters union, if you are not a member of the union your post won't be accepted,if you get get caught cheating your
out of the union, you don't have to call it a union, you could call it anything you wanted to,example
webmasters against cheaters..aka W.A.C.

[RonB]

just for Richard!

lifetime license for all domains:
our site: http://www.zipstudiox.com

zipcontent the same:
http://www.zipcontent.com

some more questions?

[richard]

cool, owner of zipcontent, howdy http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

checked out your stuff last month sometime, not bad i thought.

All i need to find now, is someone who has your content, then i'll "borrow" it for instant free content for my sites http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Could you point me towards someone who buys your standard sets? http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/tongue.gif

j/k of course, i license all my content, but i can't see how you could stop people illegally using your content. By not enforcing licenses, the value of your content goes down.

Sheigh is mighty fine http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[RonB]

you don't read a post, you just fly over!
zipstudiox.com is our site

zipcontent is a canadian company, I just told you ... the same for all domains ...

if find somebody has purchased our content,
you can take the content, no prob, just chance your details at network solutions.

class clever?

[*Kimmykim*]

wtf? must be some errors in translation here.

most of the people I know who make good content or produce their own content that generates sales guard it like its gold, which in reality it is.

and while I'd say that a system based on the people submitting would be more enforceable than one with the images somehow marked (which is expensive and not necessarily feasible) there will still be those that just can't keep their sticky fingers off someone else's goodies -- I've been amazed at some of the people I know who've had 'problems' with content providers, either thru their own stupidity (failing to read the terms of the license, etc) or by simply forgetting that they couldn't just do what they wanted -- even if it were just a tiny smidgen offkey...

[*Kimmykim*]

Oh I guess I should have mentioned that it's not just tgp'ers and the smaller new guys doing the theiving.

You'd be freaked by the number of DMCA claims we get between CCBill and Cavecreek every week http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif

[RonB]

yep, must be richard!
he never read, he just fly, same with license!

if the license tell you ... for all domains you owned and operate, its (owned and operate) and not for all domains owned and for all domains operated for grandpa, dad, my sister and brother in law!

if a free server hoster purchase sets, he can use the sets and give them to his clients.
he is the domain holder and not his friend richard.

did you understand it now richard?

[richard]

yep, must be richard!- haha.

Can i buy your content, and make TGP galleries hosted on a freehost with it?

All i am saying, is that your license is very loose - not as enforcable as one that specifically lists the 5 (for eg) domains.

If i found a mate who had your content, i'm saying that i dont think you'd be able to sue me for copyright infringement, if my mate stood up and said it was his site, and he ran it.

Whereas if it was not one of the 5 domains my mate registered with you, then you'd be able to nail my ass http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

KK, i sent you mail @ kim@ccbill.com, i want CC processing for a new project, who do i talk to?

[*Kimmykim*]

I'd say you talk to me my dear, I'll be looking for the mail http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[richard]

KK: sweet stuff, mail was sent on the 28th.

Ron, something else that just twigged:

for all domains you owned and operate, its (owned and operate)

I get the impression you are emphasising AND right?

If a freeserver licenses the content, they do not operate the pages built on them surely?

http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/tongue.gif

[*Kimmykim*]

Holy sh*t!

Seeing your first name in caps and a last name attached to the sender, I must have totally missed it!!!

Lemme have a look see at it --

[*Kimmykim*]

Answered http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[richard]

http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

yes, that was amazingly fast, not had service like that for a long time people.

CCBill rock some ass, thats for sure.

Hey, whens that really cool new ccbucks.com going live? Its a great idea.

Rich.

(did we agree on -1/2 % for each shill post? http://www.adultwebmasterinfo.com/smilies/laugh.gif )

[*Kimmykim*]

hahahahahaah! that's a new way of negotiating rates I'm sure --

CCBucks should be live this week -- http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[playa]

anybody looked into this?

http://www.baytsp.com/index.asp

i am sure if most content providers used this service in major bulk,,there might not be that much of an increase in price,,

but i thing some of the licenses are outdated,,i mean come on nowadays its almost normal for a webmaster to have 100 domains...

[*Kimmykim*]

supposed to be a decent service, but what I have heard from the people who own content is that the price would be crazy, tho I dunno for sure --

[Crunch]

We could start by not trading traffic with sites who use illegal content, I think over 60% of CJ sites don't have a license for the few pics they use. I'm sure most webmasters who have been around for a while know about "Tiny Tove" from the horny rob scans, ALL pictures you see of her are illegal, their are only 2 companies who hold the license for these pics. colorclimax.com and rodox.com
If you don't know who I'm talking about check this link: http://www.hostforexit.com/exit2/pop.html
The girl in the pics is "Tiny Tove"

[pr0view]

i own the license to 12,000 images and the very same license allows me to use them on all of my domains (unlimited number) + free servers... i usually buy from AL and spankyscontent, zipcontent... sooo... what about ppl like me, hm? you talk of a DB to hold the registered URLs per webmaster but this is an applicable idea only if the license limits me to certain domains... also, what if i shoot my own content? i can use it anywhere i want BUT the very same DB will "frown" at me...

copyright infringement is a bad thing and should be stopped... but i don't think that this is the greatest idea about how to do it...

i read an article some months ago that a company has developed a software using fuzzy logic. it will be able to uniquely identify a picture no matter if you compress it, zip-it, un-zip-it, crop it, etc. all that the content providers have to do is have that proggie spider the web and put "marks" on "suspicious" places (where the images are located)... that is the only way to take care of copyright problems without hurting the ppl who actually buy their contetn...