CJ2 / Exit Discussion

[Dan S]

Sorry if you feel this is the wrong board, but I would like to get the best audience for this discussion.


Situation:

With our current CJ2 rules somebody is able to send his exit to any exit broker around.
And most of them, if not all, have quite something of a chain.

However, the same somebody is not allowed to exit to an AD PAGE of his own if it also has an exit chain. I dont mean to exit to another clean CJ2 or TGP. I mean a real AD PAGE like blindlink sponsors and brokers have.

If somebody do not want to sell his exit to a broker but rather want to have his own ads on exit he is in disadvantage opposed to brokers, because he can not have an exit from the first ad.

Thats an unfair situation for those who want to try to market their own exit.

In my eyes there are 2 ways to change the rules to make the situation fair for all.

1.
Disallow exits to brokers with any form of chain.

2.
Allow the webmaster to market his own exit chain. (Again: I do NOT mean CJ2 A exiting to CJ2 B exiting to CJ2 C exiting to FPA1 exiting to FPA2, etc.... I mean CJ2 A exiting to FPA1 exiting to FPA2)


Anyone with me?

Dan

[Dan S]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dan S:

2.
Allow the webmaster to market his own exit chain. (Again: I do NOT mean CJ2 A exiting to CJ2 B exiting to CJ2 C exiting to FPA1 exiting to FPA2, etc.... I mean CJ2 A exiting to FPA1 exiting to FPA2)
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Ofcourse nothing of this exit traffic could be used for trades http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Dan

[Due]

I would say it is a good idea.
But should not be more than FPA1, FPA2 and FPA3.
No more than 1 FPA open at the time and no javascript alerts.
It can really get the productivity up higher now when there is no clean exit sponsors at the moment. Hopefully they will come back again http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Dan S]

If we are going to limit and rule the selfmade chains (which makes sense to me), also the same rules should apply for brokers beeing used...also enforced...

[-=[hartman]=-]

imo this is only a question of definition..

i have a friend, my roomie, he pays me for exiting my cj2 to his fpa, thus he is my sponsor.(and he uses a hell of a chain)

this isnt the actual case, but if i wanted to do this, what would happen ?

for me it seems that the rule isnt there to make it unfair for those who want to use their own fpa, it there because you dont want people using exits to trade.

[Lizard]

Sponsor or FPA of your own, no chain, no more than one window opened on exit total...

A change to the rules _explicitly_ stating
this would be great, these kind of sponsors
have to go...

[Killah]

Sorry to say that guys, but if you are looking for exit sponsors that pay 0,001 cent per unique, you are on the right way. Actually you can choose if you want to make rules that forbid the exit sponsors as they appear now or you allow them. Thinking that the sponsors will change because a circle of 200-300k unique surfers are out of range due to these rules is kinda naive, even if the idea sounds so fantastic.

[Dan S]

Killah, nobody wants you to change your exit.

I for once know that I can do better with my own exit than with yours.

But when I use my own I am limited to 1 page unchained. Other people I trade with open your chained hell. If somebody really needs to exit to you the hole purpose of CJ2 is defeated.

And I tell you why:
I know that you are actually redirecting "german" traffic to a buyer that exits himself directly to http://www.asianfreepics.com/

Every CJ2 site is indirectly feeding his exit to a regular CJ site. (No offense Pitbull http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif) Atleast his german traffic.

Given this fact, anybody selling to you is breaking the most important rule we have.


And Killah, one more thing: You really think the CJ2 circle is only 200k big. Keep dreaming bro. Take a closer look at the top100 ST next time.

Well, rant over.

Dan

[Dan S]

btw, if somebody wonder
Killah is redirecting german traffic here:

http://www.wankersonly.com/

[Niki]

I'm for option 2 - own AD exit with small chain

[Eddie]

indeed...it is strange that I asked Killah yesterday if you already started to complain about the fact that I am sending traffic to asianfreepics.

I won't excuse to anybody that I am helping here a friend.

SYE is one of the most honest and reliable sponsors these days. All he is trying is to keep the interests of all his webmasters and sells a small percentage of the traffic that is hard to sell to other sponsors to me. I don't want to cause SYE any problems so I took the exit down.

But what I really don't like is the bad taste I get when I read the last posts of you Daniel.

It seems that you try to develop a business on the back of somebody else. And if you try to get some new enemies then you are on the best way to reach this goal because if it is necessary I will join all my forces to protect SYE interests.

I highly invite you to talk to me personally about this and not to bitch on boards as it became unfortunately more and more common.

[Killah]

OK, Dan.. I don't explain the meaning of site-specific and global uniques here, some people know what I mean.

But about your exit:
You say you make more cash from your exit than from a dirty exit sponsor. OK, that's cool. So your goal it to clean up the CJ2 circle. The reason why some people use exit sponsors is that they make more cash out of them than with an own exit. The solution would be now that you explain everybody here how to make more cash with a sinlge page of your own than from an exit chain because then everybody would make more profit from such a solution and everybody switches to a clean exit.

As long as they don't know how to make more cash they will use the solution that makes more cash. So please explain how this works, I'm personally also interested in this because I never found the solution myself.

Let the show begin....

[Dan S]

Eddie,

I didnt know that wankersonly.com is your site. And its not really important who owns the site.


My intention starting this thread was to be able to create my own exit chain so that I do not have to rely on exit traffic brokers.

I didnt nor do I plan to take away any business of Killah or any other broker.
I would just be happy to market my own exit traffic.

Currently I am forced to use exit brokers because I cant use my own exit chain.
It would be fair enough.


Now Killah appeared here and threatened people with some bs $0.0001 figures.
And I just noticed yesterday that I got redirected to a CJ console hell when I surfed a site with Killahs exit.
Which is pretty much screwing any CJ2 webmaster. I would call it cheating CJ2 webmasters. I admit, it is "only" german traffic you buy, so only german traffic is affected. But did any non-german webmaster know that actually a certain amount of his exit is redirected to a regular CJ?

So whats exactly wrong with posting the fact here?


And Killah, to your last post:
My intention was not to clean up CJ2, in fact I am using myself an exit broker right now.
Simply because of the fact I am not able to have my own exit chain.

I would suggest to re-read my previous posts.
Maybe even the last one gets the point reading it twice.....


Well Eddie, have fun joining any forces against me LOL. Whats up with that? This is too funny http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Killah, why even bother to enter the discussion if the 200k CJ2 circle doesnt suit you?

Dan

[magnatique]

I really don't understand why you people are going against Dan...

it's been a well known fact that it's always been better to make your own exit shit, rather than going to the exit dealers.... WHY? because the exit dealer has to make a cut of his own...


Now, some people are good enough to make good selling exits of their own, some can't... that's why some are alone and some go with exit brokers... what's wrong with that?

why should Dan teach everyone how to do this, just so that everyone copies him and then he can't no longer use his style??? C'mon killah, you know better than this..

I for an instance was exiting my traffic to one of my sponsor a while back, when everyone was making .5¢-.7¢ with the exit brokers.... what was I making? depending on the days, from 3.5¢-5¢ I no longer can (one reason I no longer have that site LOL) but why would you brokers have the best solution... http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif


anyways...


I find the idea pretty good... I don't think my voice should be that significant since I don't have a working cjII at the moment... but heh... I still brought that CJII up a couple months ago http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif


I do think it should be allowed to have an exit of some sort, as long as it's a chain, and not 1-2-1-1-3-1 or whatever... as long as it's only targetted for money, as not to bring back that exit traffic in the CJ game, or else....

[Killah]

I din't know yet that I'm cheating webmasters, sorry for that.

[Dan S]

Well, look at it from the side of the CJ2 webmaster. We are trying to keep it as clean as possible and sending our exit to a regular CJ site without a chance of even know it...

[Filipe]

I agree with Dan about making his own exit chain.

Can anyone explain me why sponsors are the only ones allowed to use a chain? It makes no sense!

Well Dan, this can be very easy for you. If you want to make your own exit chain, just start your own cj2 sponsor exit. Make a site called Dan-exit.com or something, put any payout that comes to your head and say on your terms that you have a limit of 1 webmaster, wich happens to be already taken http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

I'm not saying that I agree with chained exits.
In fact, I think we should discuss what is the best way to make the most money from surfers that hit cj2 sites, then "divide" the money with every cj2 site.

The point of a cj site is to make the surfer visit diferent sites untill he he gets pissed and/or see a sposor he likes. Do you think the best way to do it is by puting a console hell in every exit? I personally don't think so because, by the way sponsors are making their exits, the surfer will never see any more cj2 site after he exits the first one.

If we allow chained exits every sponsor will try to take advantage of it since they don't care if the surfer will see the trader site again. I think this is the reason why it's so dificult to have good prod on a cj2.

You may think that you can make more money using a console hell exit, because like Killah said, sponsors will have to pay a lot less for those type of exits.
But how much will you make with a 5 times bigger site? Because if we stop using chained exits, instead of struggling to get 85% prod maybe we can get 110-120%.

The problem here is that having a console hell exit doesn't afect our own site because the surfer already left. But it will afect our trades productivity because the surfer won't be able to come back.

So I think we should discuss really well what kind of exit we should allow and make a strict rule about it. Because just saying "Preferably without chained Exit" won't do anything since everyone will feel atracted to use the one that pays more, having more chains and afecting other people's productivity.

There are more things I could tell you about this rules. For example, "Feed of a CONSOLE FREE & CLEAN site of your own". Now WTF is that? We can't trade on exit but we can exit to a non-exit cj2?
This way I can easily make a site called www.filipe-exit.com (http://www.filipe-exit.com) and just use it to exit to it and trade on my exit!

Guys, I think we should think carefully about the exit rules. They look a bit ridiculous and can easily be "cheated".


Ok, I was bored here and I had to write this http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Filipe

[richard]

There are 2 issues to debate here is we get through the pissing:

1) Do we change CJ2 rules to incorperate CJ2 site owners having their own exit chains.

2) Do we change CJ2 rules to ban exit sponsors with chains


When we formulated the CJ2 standards, we needed to allow the continued use of exit sponsors in order to get momentum behind the CJ2 drive - people would not change their CJ1 sites if they lost their exit sponsor.

Perhaps, now we are months down the road, we can modify the rules?

I personally would live to er on the side of clean exits, perhaps a single, or duel (1-1) exit chain limit.

Killah, the further down the exit chain you go, surely the poorer the traffic is?

Hell i dunno, post your ideas / opinions.

[Filipe]

In my opinion we should start by discussing the first issue you listed, wich I think it means more like:

- Should we apply the same exit rules to both CJ2 site owners and exit sponsors?


Only after that we should decide what type of exits (chains) we should allow to each one (or both).

My opinion is obvious: the same rules should apply to both.

Anyone thinks different?

[Lizard]

Yep - definately!

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Should we apply the same exit rules to both CJ2 site owners and exit sponsors?
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My suggestion:

1 (One) window open at any time from
the exit, chain as short as possible (1-1-1)

The worst thing right now is the popup Hell
exit sponsors, that has got to go...

[Muff]

simple solution.

everyone in CJ2 just goes back to CJ. than you dont have to worry about how big your exit chain is.

Muff

[Lizard]

http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/confused.gif

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simple solution.
everyone in CJ2 just goes back to CJ. than you dont have to worry about how big your exit chain is.
Muff
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[Muff]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2"> http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/confused.gif </font>

see all this discussion has people conufused all ready.
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Muff

[Lizard]

lol

[Crysty]

Greed will make people to make their own exit in a very unpleasant way. They will make 2 exit pages chained then they will send the surfer to an exit sponsor.
In this way, cj2 will become even worse

Just my 2 cents

[Due]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Crysty:
Greed will make people to make their own exit in a very unpleasant way. They will make 2 exit pages chained then they will send the surfer to an exit sponsor.
In this way, cj2 will become even worse

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If you send traffic to your own chain you should not be allowed to send to a exit sponsor as well .
Personally I think it would be pretty easy to make money from a 2 chained exit.
1 console you put a FPA for one of your sponsors. And join a banner exchange
2 console you put a dialer FPA and a banner exchange.
You will then get exposures to both a signup sponsor and a dialer if the signup fail.
BUT you will also get a lot of traffic from banner clicks in the BE wich you can feed your site with or do whatever you wish http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[sjussen]

Hi guys

I totally agree with Dan,Due,Lizard....

I think that we aleast should allow people to make their own chain (1-1 or 1-1-1).
There is no sence in that it is allowed to use a exitsponsor with 7 consoles but not to make one your self with 2 or 3 consoles.

I don't think that we should bann exitsponsors, I mean we are still free to trade with who ever we chose.

just my 2 cents

take care
Mike/sjussen

[Dan S]

Exactly http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

I didnt want to get exit brokers banned at all. I just would like the freedom of creating my own exit.

Exit brokers are still the easiest way of getting rid of exiting surfers.

However, for those actually trying and working on their own exit I feel that there can be more in it than $0.0045 with 40% of traffic beeing counted because of all the security features brokers have to have.

Dan

[evil]

Definitely I agree and I support allowing of own short exit chains in CJ2 rules (if anyone cares about my opinion ;-)

[Jer]

Guys, isn't only german traffic.. brazilian traffic too. If Killah is sending to found404.com, the console hell (10+ popups) will load http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif

Look the topic THE HUN posted at PC BBS, I said there what is happenning.

Hi evil http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif