Holy Shit!

[XP]

Just checked: http://www.absolut-series.com/

it Says:
THIS WEBSITE IS CLOSED DUE TO THE ILLEGAL LINKING TO AND POSTING OF CRIMINAL FREEHOSTING PAGES.
TGP WEBSITES ARE BEING INVESTIGATED AND WILL BECOME EXTINCT DUE TO THE LIABILITY.

Closed By APIC-WORLDWIDE

What the FUCK?!

[smut pimp]

COOL!!!!

Finally justice all TGP's gone :-)

[pyro]

that cant be real.

[Due]

It looks just as real as the 4 galleries Thehun has posted today in his daily listing :eek:

[e-van]

looks more like a hacker's work, or a cool prank

[kanga]

eh? only 4 galleries on thehun? what up with that??

kanga

[abs]

no, it's no hack. My site is closed

[Lentini]

you're right , only 4 galleries at the hun :confused:

[smut pimp]

why????

[eddie77]

What the fuck does this mean?
That they will close all tgp's?

But if there is a bright site it will be that signup ratios will be much lower now
prolly like 1:25

[eddie77]

Can someone please post some information on this subject
I need to be enlightened

[pauly]

yes, enquiring minds want to know what's up! :confused:

[playa]

Originally posted by absolut:
<STRONG>no, it's no hack. My site is closed</STRONG>

but you don't sound pissed,, please explain,,, help us out,, give us a warning or something

[Aquaman]

This better be some sick twisted joke...

[FreeHugeMovies]

I wonder if this is real.

[Aquaman]

Maybe someone got pissed about the new submission rules?
http://www.absolut-series.com/submit.html

[smut pimp]

why????

[abs]

hahahaha.... good one :))
no, nothing to do with the new rules

[XP]

Sounds not good.

[eddie77]

plz tell Thomas

[FreeHugeMovies]

absolut,

If this is real I am sure you got an E-mail from them. Can you plz post it if it is real?

Thanks,
The Jester

[Aquaman]

Thomas. If this is really you, could you please answer the email I just sent you? :)

[eddie77]

yeah please share it

[abs]

that's the email I received today. Police visited my head reviewer and I don't want her to be in trouble. So the site is offline and the domain is for sale.

APIC has been documenting massive copyright infringement by ABSOLUTE SERIES. And the illegal posting of adult images
without proper authority, model's releases,
or proof of age. These activities by you have also been document on other websites.

This is a serious crime in Canada, and it has been going on for years.

We are prepared to prosecute all concerned. The RCMP computer crimes division in Ontario has been sent documents with
proof of your activities and is awaiting our answer before arresting all of you.

This is the only warning you will recieve from APIC.

We demand the entire site be closed today by 5 PM eastern standard time. And in its place, a notice about infringing TGP
websites and why you were closed.

If this is done to my satisfaction, I will advise the "Duty Officer" that you co-operated and no further actions are necessary at this
time.

Govern yourselves accordingly,

Steve Easton

APIC WORLDWIDE
3325 Griffin Rd
Ft Lauderdale Florida

(954) 983-7312


cc: RCMP
cc: Oshawa Police Dept.
cc: Silicon Valley Webhosting
cc: APIC Charter

email2
As I said, we have documentation. I suggest you do as I ask.


email after closing
I will notify Sgt. McQueeny to hold off.

[Brian911]

I cant believe this.

please post it absolute.

[Brian911]

lol, I`m bit late :)
gonna read it. sry, no edit function here, as always

[John_Little]

I found their contact information:
APIC-WORLDWIDE
3325 Griffin Road #137
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33312
(954) 983-7312

[abs]

I'm put here now. Have to get really pissed.

[Shannon]

Absolut - I take it you called them right? That does'nt sound as a very professional written e-mail to me...

[Aquaman]

Doesn't sound too good...

So this is only going to effect Canadian sites (at the moment)?

[FreeHugeMovies]

If your domain is for sale I'll buy it for about 25 bucks. =]

[smut pimp]

yea and hackers have fake police men to support theyr joke....

[sandman]

Holy shit!

[xxxsponsor]

http://www.APIC-WORLDWIDE.com/

[Brian911]

yep you better call them and check the source code of the mails..
that really doesnt look very "professional" to me as said earlier.

[neocorp]

anyway you could redirect your site to your best sponsor instead of putting that message that promote that apic thing ?

[Shannon]

smut pimp - Where do you see a cop involved. All I see is a phone number, name & organization.

It does'nt seem logical for absolut to shut his site down with out the actual verification of the e-mail, but it makes me wonder cause its a poorly written e-mail in my persoanl opinion.

Please tell us if you have verified this absolut??? Though I do find it wierd that The Hun only listed 4 galleries today too.

[brocklanders]

Absolut,

I think it's bullshit. Plus, did you know it's not illegal to *link* to illegal material. At least that is how it is in the US.

[rollin]

uhm
contact a lawyer absolut? that would be your best choice before doing anything.
and, they have to give you 24 hour notice c&d...

[smut pimp]

he wrote:
Police visited my head reviewer and I don't want her to be in trouble

[rollin]

c - o - n - t - a - c - t
a
l - a - w - y - e - r
:)

[Shannon]

smut pimp - I stand corrected :)

[Shannon]

smut pimp - I stand corrected :)

[eddie77]

this is insane!
Fuck how can they hold u responsible of the galleries you post?
u dont own those galleries

[DrewKole]

Canada has always had much stricter laws on pornography... as far as they are concerned, they can do whatever they like...

and im not sure if they mentioned it or not... but absolut is also a trademark... though I dont know if they own the right to exclusively market it on the net. =)

[DrewKole]

24hr C&D? He's in canada, they dont have to do that, regarding so called "illegal" content usage.

[rollin]

if it's a copyright viloation yes, they do have to send a 24 hr c&d...

if it's illegal content, there would be no exceptions made, the police would have already arrest them all. they would not pass up a case like this, come on, how often do cops actually get to "work hard"? this is a great oppurtunity for them if true lol!

[Jorge]

Originally posted by brocklanders:
<STRONG>Absolut,
I think it's bullshit. Plus, did you know it's not illegal to *link* to illegal material. At least that is how it is in the US.</STRONG>
I agree with that. You are not police. It is not your responsibility what is on different sites. I do not know much about canadian penal law but I doubt ANY authority needs their (APIC) approval for this type of legal action. "A Barking Dog Does Not Bite."

[eddie77]

http://www.absolute-series.com
What I find weird is why u arent just redirecting it to another one of your sites.

And as all others have said that email stinks of prank! Thomas are u playing us?

[rollin]

a-pic would have released a press release as well, where is this? :)

[Much0S]

I think this is a scare email by APIC.

They wouldn't make a chance in court.

TGP = linklist = search engine...

When they close down TGP's they close down linklists and when they close down linklists they close down search engines.

Only thing they can demand of you is to remove your LINK to illegal galleries. They cannot prosecute you if you have not made the gallery page.

I think, not a lawyer though...

[shane]

wow good news! Less TGPs = More $$ :)

[eddie77]

Hmm just spoke to Hoffmann from Elephantlist
they have contacted his server company aswell

I asked him if his site would be closed
this is what he answered:
no, absolutely no!

[eddie77]

someone please delete my last msg since its incorrect

[gotys]

APIC doens't concern me, as obviously this is full of shit. What concerns me is that thehun posted only 4 galleries today.

[jefrbord20]

elephantlist will close too?

[eddie77]

what concerns me the most is that ive always thought that american and canadian laws didnt concern me or my sites but if they can touch thehun they can touch me

[Brian911]

Originally posted by eddie77:
<STRONG>I asked him if his site would be closed
this is what he answered:
no, absolutely no!</STRONG>

if he is confronted with either being arrested or closing his site, he will think about it again!

[Viking]

Steve Easton is a lame ass. He mail people shitass letters about stuff way out of line.

Once I got a mail from the idiot saying I had to close my site because illegal copyrighted content. Only problem for him was, that I only had 2 html files on that server and no pictures. So the idiot must have copyright on WORDS. Jeez...

Check this btw... (http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=008024) we talked about it some time ago...

[eddie77]

Originally posted by jefrbord20:
<STRONG>elephantlist will close too?</STRONG>

no jefr i just wrote that it was incorrect im just messing up because i recieve so many msg'es on my icq

forget what i said about elephant
elephant will live for ever :)

[Aquaman]

About thehun. That is probably just some script error...

[Trax]

damn.. i´m off the board for few hours and now this... sorry 4 you absolute.. always made nice sales from your site. but if i were you i´d put banners on the index page or redirect it or whatever.. make a fast buck.. can only get better

[JamieT]

absolut
host your site down here with me in the states. No big deal

icq me: 1851935

[Buser]

Conform by APIC requests and nothing will happen. Do not use copyright material either.

Adultbouncer offers licensed and promo material if anyone wants to know.
www.adultbouncer.com (http://www.adultbouncer.com)

[xApster]

This was posted by lightingfree on GFY...

"Let me set the record straight before all of you make up your own theories about this.
Yes this morning, APIC has put enough pressure on absolute series to force him to close. The reason is that absolute series was linking to galleries with illegal content. Many of the galleries were actually created by absolute series and hosted on numerous free hosts.
The quest by APIC and content providers and sponsors, is to close down any and all sites that allow copyright violations to exist.

They will and already are investigating many free hosts and especially tgp's.

Please Note, it's not the free hosts that are causing this, it's the cheaters...."

http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/Forum1/HTML/012464-2.html

[eddie77]

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&lt;A HREF="http://www.nude.org"&gt;nude&lt;/A&gt;
&lt;A HREF="http://www.golden-shower.com"&gt;golden shower&lt;/A&gt;
&lt;A HREF="http://www.thongs.com"&gt;thongs&lt;/A&gt;
&lt;A HREF="http://www.free-nude-celebrity.com"&gt;nude celebrity&lt;/A&gt;
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taken from aboslut series index
doubt it is his domains

this is beginning to get more weird for each sec that passes by

[IronManX]

Why aren't they going after Yahoo and MSN and all those community and club sites????

[SexyJo]

eddie u went to the wrong doman try
http://www.absolut-series.com

[eddie77]

ahh sorry what a lame ass i am

sorry about that didnt mean to scare u all back there hehe

[smut pimp]

i've got a message from apic stateing:
APIC documented more than 9000 pages on various freehosts bt the operators of ABSOLUT-SERIES.

We are in fact in pursuit of several similar situations.

APIC

so it's not a hacker or something
it's the creation of 9000+ pages with unlicenced content.

[Amputate Your Head]

Buy a license.

[Trax]

lol absolut... tell us what your own traffic made you in numbers please :)

[eddie77]

We need thehun and absolut in here
to provide us with answers

and if AS was closed because of what we've discussed above why is his 2 other sites then still running and what is up with that email?

[Buser]

Most webmasters dont care and just keep doing their wrong doing and dont delete content that they should.

Then deserve what they get.

[basschick]

brocklanders, you are mistaken. it is illegal in the u.s. to link to illegal material, and it can be enforced.

why not have all tgp posters put where they bought their pics in tiny writing at the bottom of each gallery? that way, no one would have to worry. or only post people you know.

[blind]

holy shit

[kmanrox]

If you fall for that Absolut, I have ocean front property in montana id like to sell you....

[eddie77]

in a way I hope all of this is true!
Just imagine how your signup ratios would be like if all tgp's dissappeared!
a webmaster with 1000 hits would all of a sudden be rich!

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by eddie77:
<STRONG>Just imagine how your signup ratios would be like if all tgp's dissappeared!
a webmaster with 1000 hits would all of a sudden be rich!</STRONG>
Okay... where you gonna get your traffic from?

[Mr Woody]

Originally posted by basschick:
why not have all tgp posters put where they bought their pics in tiny writing at the bottom of each gallery? that way, no one would have to worry. or only post people you know.

I second that.

[eddie77]

hehe great minds think a like so obviously u arent one of them hehe

nah just kidding i got my sources!

plus i got sites with 10 k a day that has never been listed at a tgp or at a linklist

[Aquaman]

Thats a very good idea Basschick. I will start doing that :)

[MrNice]

When I visited thehun.com about 6 hours ago there where lots of listings for today (15th). Now however, they are all gone. In other words, the busy part can't be true...

[Trax]

bas: there have been content stealers LONG TIME AGO and now that AS is closed something should change.. i don´t think so... its a general thing.. the thing with "prove that you own the license" could have been done years ago but nobody cared (now some guys do!).. tgp owners know that they most shit on freehosts is stolen but they keep listening it.

if its really absolutes own stupidity creating 100s of illegal galleries, posting them on his site and getting caught he should get what he deserves...

don´t you think so?

[*Kimmykim*]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:
<STRONG>
Okay... where you gonna get your traffic from?</STRONG>

Webmasters don't make traffic. Porn surfers do.

[MrNice]

Originally posted by MrNice:
<STRONG>When I visited thehun.com about 6 hours ago there where lots of listings for today (15th). Now however, they are all gone. In other words, the busy part can't be true...</STRONG>

And now it's back...

[gotys]

hehe, eddie, if there are no TGPs, you automatically make $0 no questions ask

[eddie77]

great now we got that solved!

still to be honest i believe somone hacked
AS i dont fucking believe this email it looks like something a 10 year old kid has written

[eddie77]

Originally posted by gotys:
<STRONG>hehe, eddie, if there are no TGPs, you automatically make $0 no questions ask</STRONG>

Your ignorance is your loss not mine!

[kmanrox]

they just tryin to scare you all, dont be so skittish!

[kmanrox]

ABSOLUT --- WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IF YOU THINK THE THREATS ARE TRUE IS ***HURRY UP AND ***SELLLLLL***** YOUR SITE TO A EUROPEAN-BASED WEBMASTER B4 ALL YOUR HITS GO AWAY AND YOU MAKE NO PROFIT!!!!

[*Kimmykim*]

Actually I've just talked to Steve in email about this particular incident.

He's not kidding and he seems quite confident that he has a solid case.

[Amputate Your Head]

Content providers everywhere are grinning.

[Muff]

Originally posted by xApster:
<STRONG>This was posted by lightingfree on GFY...

"Let me set the record straight before all of you make up your own theories about this.
Yes this morning, APIC has put enough pressure on absolute series to force him to close. The reason is that absolute series was linking to galleries with illegal content. Many of the galleries were actually created by absolute series and hosted on numerous free hosts.
The quest by APIC and content providers and sponsors, is to close down any and all sites that allow copyright violations to exist.

They will and already are investigating many free hosts and especially tgp's.

Please Note, it's not the free hosts that are causing this, it's the cheaters...."

http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/Forum1/HTML/012464-2.html</STRONG>

That sounds 100% right.


If you knowingly link to illegal content than spread your cheaks and take it!

[playa]

Originally posted by *Kimmykim*:
<STRONG>Actually I've just talked to Steve in email about this particular incident.

He's not kidding and he seems quite confident that he has a solid case.</STRONG>
kimmy ,

do US that have LEGAL content,, and/or TGP owners that link illegal gallery without their knowledge should worry?

[*Kimmykim*]

I'm not sure at the moment playa. I have a feeling that most of the issues are coming from freehosts, but I want to make it clear that I am not sure one more time.

[Doctor Dre]

Absolut you should contact a lawyer ... But I think you are bright and you have enough money so you already did that ... And you should start selling traffic to sites ... 2$ per 1000 visitors . you just redirect them to a script or something :)

[Bean]

I'm confussed here.

Does this mean that anyone that has a tgp and links to a gallery that has stolen pics you risk loosing your site?

Or was this site that was taken down a free host?

[smut pimp]

dont built pages with unlicenced pictures and you're fine. (for now :-)

[SpyCam]

but i see no reason: if i make galleries with unlicenced content myself and link to them from my TGP and if i link to such galleries that were made by others...

i mean we link to some galleries that have unlicenced content, and i'm sure 99% of galleries on free hosts are such ones...

does that mean that we should stop linking to free hosted galleries? Guys who use paid hosting can post a short text regarding their content licence or something...

that would be the way to go....

but then again, free hosts will die... no more smutservers and lightningfrees...

[Due]

I see no reason not to list galleries from free host. If you do like EasyPic suggested on GFY (By submitting this gallery you confirm you own the pictures or have license to display them on the web bla bla) then there is really nothin more you can do except mayby ask them to fax in a copy of their license for the pictures but if you receive 1000 submissions per day it can easily be pretty complicated :D
As to submitting 9000 of your own galleries that people say Absolut did with stolen pictures is pretty much insane and I doubt that is what actually happend. Even with 10 pictures per gallery it is 90.000 pictures. I really doubt that. Perhaps there has been a total of 9000 galleries with stolen pictures but the other sounds pretty much insane to me. Especially with the size Absolut has / had he could go to basicly go to any sponsor and ask for free content he wish

[MegaThumb]

APIC done right!

For Example the most German TGP`s don`t link
to any freehosted sites with tons of crap and
ads. They only accept www.dom.de (http://www.dom.de) / .com / .net / etc. so that others
can check via internic / denic / etc. who is
the Owner of the Gallerys.

So don`t link to freehosts, dont`t take
illegal material and build your own gallerys, when you earn fat bucks like Absolut
you can buy tons of content for thousands of
gallerys (legal).

in this case, the german and european (austria, swiss, etc.) TGP`s are a little
bit better, in quality, etc. we dont cheat
the user with cj`s, blinds, etc. we don`t
have much traffic but quality traffic with
1:250 ;o)

Greetz
Freeman www.MegaThumbs.de (http://www.MegaThumbs.de) www.ThumbCrawler.de (http://www.ThumbCrawler.de)

[dresden]

Here is the response of Apic Worldwide about Absolut-series.com:

--------------------------------
He was documented on over 9000 freehost sites that he posted using stolen
property. That is why he was linked to so many good sites.
SE


----- Original Message -----
From: &lt;****@*****nline.com&gt;
To: &lt;admin@a-w.org&gt;
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 3:11 PM
Subject: about Absolut-series.com


&gt; is this really coming from you guys, or this is just a hack?
&gt; http://www.absolut-series.com
&gt; I read this site is closed because of illegal linking , that is, because
he
&gt; linked to other people's pages (which some might not have liscences for)
&gt;
&gt; aren't we supposed to be able to link to anything we want? wouldn't Yahoo
be
&gt; closed if not?
&gt;
--------------------------------

[matuloo]

It would be great if this case could cause the end of TGPs or at least the end of free hosts. Without free hosts majority of gallery makers will leave the business as they use stolen content and probably dont have the money to pay for content + host. Moreover, as TGP traffic sucks big time, there aint much webmasters that can make good money with it when they have to pay for content plus hosting.

[newvision]

a few points..fist BassChick...you can legally link illegal content in the US depending on your region..I learned this first hand with a client I host. I got called on the beast links...I called my provider..UUNET..they said it depends on Federal Law, state, and local laws....Feds said they had no restriction on the beast links....local said they base theirs on state level...Iowa's State Attorney General said that this site was legal because he didnt' actually have the content and the banners showed no human/animal contact

2nd....You guys need to slow down and read the email that absolut showed us...it plainly states that he used illegal content both his domains and freehosts....the target in the email was absolut not the entire web. However the guy who wrote the email needs to take some english comp classes because his wording is poor choice the content he is linking they mean....is copyright infringed...therefore the email sender should reword what his intentions are before sending more out to webmasters who just might post their emails like absolut did for us.

3rd You tgp owners need to stand up right now for your rights because both on absolut's site and in the email this guy is targeting all tgp's as guilty already..he pointed the finger at all of you and I'm sure some of you run clean tgps and don't build galleries with unlicensed content so fight back and put him in his place for being slanderess in a sense.

4th Quit worrying about the traffic...so some tgp's that did wrong and knew it are now going to close...more will be built and those owners after this I'm sure will be more cautious as to whom they are linking..I mean get real do you think these guys setup partner status tgp's for shits and grins..its a cover your own ass first thing..They review the content and webmaster before they ever allow partner status so why don't everybody do that and weed out the bad webmasters on the web first...All this industry needs is a good cleaning and if webmasters don't act responsibly then more and more companies lib APIC are going to do it for us

and last is...if you run copyright material illegally or you post illegal pics of underage models and content not legal in your area your playing roulette with the law...and everybody knows that in a casino when you set down to play your game the odds are in the house's favor....same applys for this...your odds are stacked and now with Baby George and Ashcroft on the war path domestic issues are going to take hard hits. Not to mention that money is getting tighter on the web and some companies that might have been more tolerant of their content being used illegally in the good times might be more protective of that content in bad times to protect their pockets which is totally...100% their right..its their content that they issue licenses on to us the webmaster


ok that's about enough..looks like instead of 2 cents worth I got about a buck in here..

tricia

[gse]

Originally posted by matuloo:
<STRONG>It would be great if this case could cause the end of TGPs or at least the end of free hosts. Without free hosts majority of gallery makers will leave the business as they use stolen content and probably dont have the money to pay for content + host. Moreover, as TGP traffic sucks big time, there aint much webmasters that can make good money with it when they have to pay for content plus hosting.</STRONG>

end of free hosts, ha? would be good for a change. :)

[matuloo]

Sure it would be great to shut down free hosts :)

less free shit to freeloaders, less CP, less problems and MORE money for us :)

[newvision]

another thing that can be done instead of posting where we bought content from..I mean that is promoting somebody and giving them traffic and what do they do back for you...they are just a service business and can work for their traffic to..we don't need to post that we bought it here...however everybody with legit content does get a piece of paper signed by the content company that says these domains are person are authorized to use this content .....those papers sometimes come via email..sometimes downloaded with the content and sometimes hard copied to your real mail address....but all have in common one thing..they can be scanned or placed on a webpage and a small link placed at the bottom that says This Content Licensed By: ......and then anybody including the law can see if your legal or not

tricia

[newvision]

that didn't read good at the bottom..what I mean is you can build your page and a link at the bottom can take you to a online copy of your license agreement so there is no question if the pics are totally legal or not

tricia

[shane]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:
<STRONG>
Okay... where you gonna get your traffic from?</STRONG>

Do you think there will be less surfers or somethin????

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by shane:
<STRONG>

Do you think there will be less surfers or somethin????</STRONG>

Probably not. And I would be one of the first one's to gladly welcome the demise of all the free porn floating around the net as well as all the freeloading surfers.... but as it turns out, that's not really the issue anyway. It boils down to a licensing matter, not a linking matter. Own a license, conduct your business. Steal content, get shut down. Simple as that.

[XP]

Absolut:
Open a new tgp, and simply redirect absolut-series hits to your new tgp. Also never post your own galleries for a time!

[Mr Exotic]

I have prayed for this day to come for months, if freehosts/illegal content are eliminated then that means about 90% of the free porn out there will be gone, which means MORE SALES!!! :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

[DialerEntertainment]

Originally posted by shane:
<STRONG>

Do you think there will be less surfers or somethin????</STRONG>

I agree with shane, less free porn just means more traffic for porn hungry surfers to CJ and CJII sites! Sounds good to me, it's about time to start making decent money on 20k daily traffic!

[blind]

"Without TGP's where are you going to get traffic?"

I don't get my traffic from TGP's.
TGP's are the reason sales have gone down more and more each month. Sure you get lots of traffic to TGPs because of all the bookmarks, but all you are doing is taking away people's traffic and peoples money, and for what? Those bookmarkers aren't going to make you shit when they can go to your daily updated site each day to jerk off... Now theres thousands of TGPs they can go to to jerk off, which means less sales for everyone.

[nic]

This will not end TGPs, you guys think, hey, he closed down one, he'll close down em all, hahaha, hell no, tgps will never die, to many newbies saying, lets give the people what they want, fuck that, give me your damn credit card number!

[easy18s]

APIC stated in the email to absolut that he must post the message on his site like he did. Although the controversy over wheather ABIT is lagit or not, it is best he cooperates with them. For his sake.

This is why absolut is not redirecting it to a sponsor or new site or anywhere else.

I do think however, since the traffic is his and once the galleries are gone, that there is nothing illegal about his traffic and that he should be able to do what he wishes with his traffic. Furthermore, I dont live in canada, But I would imagine they have to give you a notice first, Such as remove such and such or else. In which case he removes the galleries and he is fine. It seems odd that he was given no chance to remove the galleries and ordered to post what he did on his site. It definitly sounds controversial and I dont belive that I would of done anything without consulting with a lawyer.

As far as removing free hosts and illegal content. If it works I think it would be great, for everyone here who runs a jagit site. Signups would go through the roof and I image there would be a dramatic increase in our revenue.

Now for the current TGPs out there, I would recommend not accepting ANY free hosts (You do not benifit by accepting them, so just get rid of them) And add a checkbox to our signup page that the gallery poster must check after reading the rules (which includes that all content must be licenced)
Now lets say someone contacts you and claims to take action against you, If they do take action at least this way it shows you were taking concern and making an attempt to not allow illegal content.

[Doctor Dre]

Well that would be cool if all big tgps would close :) More traffic for me :)

[baddog]

well, I just went to thehun and he has a shitload of links for today

[Viking]

Click and read this: (http://www.theadultwebmaster.com/legalcorner/legal_basics_4.phtml)

Statement #7:
By logging on and viewing any part of this Web site, I agree that I shall not hold the owners of the Web site or its employees responsible for any materials located on the site.

Would a small text in my Terms Of Service hold on court?

[easy18s]

I emailed APIC about this and here is there response. BTW, If you couldnt find there email address on there site it is admin@a-w.org
Send em an email and let them now what you think about this.

You have no idea what you are talking about.
The Webmaster was documented posting over 9000 freesites from his IP login , all of which were our stolen copyrighted images so he could have sites to link to.



----- Original Message -----
From: Ping018@aol.com
To: admin@a-w.org
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 7:18 PM
Subject: Concern regarding a recent shutdown


I am concered for why you shut down absolut-series.com, There is nothing illegal in linking other sites. Absolut-series was simply a link site like many others out there which are perfectly legal. Also, The email writen to the webmaster was very poorly written and to me spells "scam", Please email me if you did or did not shut him down and with your reason/legal allowance.

Thank You
Dave

[ludwik]

MORE CJ SITES + LESS TGP = MORE MONEY!
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HEY PEOPLE! TURN YOUR TGP TRAFFIC TO CJ TRAFFIC AND MAKE MORE MONEY!

[unconnected]

I am glad you are added such insite to the conversation..
much thanks..
I definitely wouldn't think that this case can hold any ground.. If you can close a TGP down on these grounds then you can close a SE down on these grounds.. In fact you can close down 90% of SE's down on these grounds.. And they won't, one reason, is probably because they know Altavista can pay for lawyers to run them out of money whereas most of us can't... But the same principles apply .. An SE takes 1000's of submissions a day, and the majority don't even review them, unlike TGP's .. I am not all that worried about it affecting us(knock on wood) and if worst came to worst and I had a 600 000 unique a day TGP, or whatever AS was, then I think that the Bahamas would start to look a hell of a lot more appealing then Ontario :)

[unconnected]

Do a search on Altavista.com for Underage sex and you come up with 17 490 436 results..
Logic would have me believe that some organisation so concerned over morals and the law would have a bit more motivation to take out a site that gives public access to over 17 million sites dealing with CP alone than a TGP that lists 100-200 galleries a day where some of them may be infringing a copyright..
Give me a break

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by easy18s:
<STRONG>I would imagine they have to give you a notice first, Such as remove such and such or else.</STRONG>
A copyright holder does not need to give you any notice whatsoever. The only notice they need to give is a Notice To Appear, because you're being sued. If they do give notice, it's an attempt to get you to take the stuff down, and should be regarded as an extremely generous gesture on their part. Not because of any requirement.

[ludwik]

don't you see this?

we need less free & quality content on the net for more money!

that's why absolut was closed.

Who next?

[Rockys Porn]

just wanted to say hi to Amp

glad to see you over here as well

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by Rockys Porn:
<STRONG>just wanted to say hi to Amp

glad to see you over here as well</STRONG>
hey! hehe... I'm like a virus, slowly creeping into every corner of the Net... ;)

[Shocker]

Doesn't the copyright holder need to press charges? Who is the copyright holder that is pressing charges in this situation?

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by Shocker:
<STRONG>Doesn't the copyright holder need to press charges? Who is the copyright holder that is pressing charges in this situation?</STRONG>
Yes to the first part, and I don't have any idea to the second part... I don't know what content absolut was using so I couldn;t even guess who's content it is... but given the number of pages we're talking about (9000), there's probably several... which only makes it worse. However, I'm sure Apic must have some info on who the holders are. He never would have sent the letter without something to back it up.

I don't think anyone is suing him. Looks more like he was given an opportunity to correct the problem. But that's nothing more than speculation on my part... he could very well be getting sued over it too. I don't know.

[easy18s]

According to APIC in there email to me he said "all of which were OUR stolen copyrighted images "
I wonder what he ment by that, I guess APIC has adult content.

[NakedPanda]

:o
How many more webmasters are APIC going to scare and intimidate off the net they threaten cop raids and are associated with threats of 20 year prison sentences for copyright infringment. They seem to think they can challenge infringments on copyrights which belong to clients they dont represent as if there is such a thing as a civil citizens arrest or something
I realy do wish that absolut series would hire a good lawyer and challenge these bullies copyright laws have become completely vaccumus from their original intent It sounds to me like Absolut was putting traffic through his own galleries not for content but as part of a search engine plan that he forgot about I doubt that many people saw them the impact to the copyright holders in terms of damaging the value of there content was probably not that great talking single figure thousands of dollars and yet absolut has to shut down a site worth far more. Someone needs to challenge this trend in copyright prosecution and get the penalties for copyright infringment linked to the actual damage it has done to the copyright owners again.It is always difficult to pick over the remains of an umpleasant interation (as if theres any other sort) between APIC and adult webmasters though because they are so poorly written I mean not to the standard they would have to be if they actualy were planning this to be the start of some legal action.

Forgive my ignorance but why would the police be interested atall in copyrite infringment? Are things different in Canada

Panda

[NakedPanda]

As for the rest of you I cannot believe u you will get into bed with anyone to try and bring down tgps and free prawn so you can make a few bucks extra the fact that once again APIC have pulled down someones site through eptopic copyright enofrcement (of content it doesnt seem like they could own)
and threats which left someone fearing police raids doesnt seem to bother u atall :mad:
Absolut is someone you would probably have sucked up to before but now APIC threanten him and abra-cadaverous suddenly its great that he's being threatend and shutting down because of a mistake

Panda
(The possiblity of police raids and 20 year prison sentences for copyright infrigment, infringers having to pay more than the damage they have done, independent bodies which seem in this case to have little legitimacy and have business interests at stake threatening absolut and dictating his punishment is this realy the way we want copyright issues dealt with, APIC is more like a vigilante mob than a neighbour hood watch I would be very clad if this was the last time Adult webmasters ever let them interfere in what should be private dispute settled amicably through people with genuine legal authority)

[Trax]

panda.... i didn´t read everything what you wrote but it seems as if you understood NOTHING so far

[NakedPanda]

Go back and read it then and then Apologize
If u would like to be more specific then I can correct u more specificly ;)

I have read all the posts here and on GFY and previous post about APIC and seem to the only one with any insights on this matter
Panda

[NakedPanda]

All Im saying is
the webmaster of absolut-series was in the wrong but site closure is too severe a punishment as in my opinion it seems to be worth more than the damage to the value of copyright he may have done(as a best guess)
Secondly there is no need for anyone who doesnt own copyright to be involved with those who maybe infringing on it especialy when they maybe self interested
Thirdly this isnt the end of tgps probably not even absolut-series webmaster his skills will outlive this situation we shouldnt be celebrating his demise
a series tgp was a good idea

So what have I not understood?

Panda

[Brian911]

wow closing tgps AND freehosts will bring us back to 1:200. if not better!

I doubt this will ever happen though

[donger]

yeah, i gotta say. TGP traffic is newbie traffic. Look at the guy who runs pichunter.com. he has like 200k uniques a day, and is posting to the board asking "how do i make money now? i'm making $3/day" but then says in the same breath "traffic is way more important to me than money!"

yeesh. tgps are a fucking CANCER on our biz. you can't simultaneously give something away and then try to charge for it. The rest of the internet has already found that out :P

[dresden]

To my mind a TGP site cannot shut down for linking galleries which include stolen
images.
Apic mean this: "Absolut, we realized that the owner of these 9000 freehost galleries that have stolen content and you are the same person. So close your site down with our words on your index page or we will sue you."

[kmanrox]

Originally posted by Ephesus:
<STRONG>To my mind a TGP site cannot shut down for linking galleries which include stolen
images.
Apic mean this: "Absolut, we realized that the owner of these 9000 freehost galleries that have stolen content and you are the same person. So close your site down with our words on your index page or we will sue you."</STRONG>


i agree

[NakedPanda]

People seem to generaly agree that it was free galleries with copy right infringing material which absolut-series was closed for
But they seem to think that he got off lightly cos he didnt get sued or that he "got what he deserved"
In my opinion he did not because I think his site is probably worth more than the actual amount to which he devalued the copyright material, its only because copyright laws have unjustly swung in favour of those with copyrights meaning payouts are higher than the infringement warrents that absolut-series had to shut down. Otherwise he could have said sue me and paid the copyright holders for the damage done and continued with his site using legit material from now on

Panda (Am I starting to make sense ??? )

[oil]

Intersting for me to see how my mind changes when reading the whole story - shit this is long.

The more I think about I got to agreee. The big TGP´s make the most money they are giving all away for free. Who would join a site if he gets it for FREE ?

if there will be no TGP´s at all I am sure that our sign-ups increase. and if TGP´s then only TGP II this makes really sence to me.
Well the point is NOT that it´s a TGP in AS case the point is 9000 sites. Do the math guys if only every site has 20 images this is
180.000 images - more than the most paysites have. Who would ever join a site if they get more for FREE.

FREE is shit (like zfreehost :rolleyes: )

AS was not closed for being a TGP or linking to illegal content. they catch him for making at least 180.000 illegal images posting and for this reason they catch the person. and the person is owner of AS thats all.

I know Thomas a little and I am sorry about that. But anyway - using 180.000 stolen images to promote his AS site if you believe this is legal you better never lock you house so that thieves can get everything.
(ok the thieves stuff is not very good related) :eek:

[snow]

It definately raises alot of questions about what happened.But honestly we really dont know the full story..There is way too much speculation going on.. Maybe the hun will have something to say soon..

Panda great ethics...

[smut pimp]

I seriously can not believe that there are people here who are against APIC. These guys are weeding out the crappy lowlife idiots who are stealing from other legit businesses to make a quick buck.

Can you imagine someone stealing for example a cab and making money with it? He would be stealing cars AND compete with legit cab drivers who have to pay for their car insurance etc....

In this business at least 75% of all sites have STOLEN content on them! This means that all serious webmasters are competing with thieves who do not have to worry about paying for content and hosting.

I am not against TGP's but I am against gallery makers who are giving out too much for free. If everyone would have to pay for content and hosting the rules of TGP's could be less strict because their competition would not have shitloads of clean galleries to compete with them.

We should all work together and weed out those fuckers who are destroying our business.

I would like to quote Mr bush on this: "if you are not with us you are against us" Anyone defending those thieves is probably a thief himself...

I can't imagine that people are seriously stating that they used to steal content at the beginning of their career but are now paying for it... As far as I’m concerned I would not want to work with someone with a proven record of stealing from other webmasters... Think about that!

Panda: Think before you post man. you are telling me that his site is worth more than 180.000 pictures? that's $90.000 for a TGP??? Even if his site was worth that amount of money, what about the damage done to the business as a whole?

[NakedPanda]

I think some people might have mis-understood what I meant so Im not sure if u are being sarcastic or not snow. If u are not then thank u I only said what I said above cos I think it would be best for everyone AS and copyright owners I have no elf interests here It makes no sense for a very valuable asset like absolut-series site to be wasted and the copyright owners who had there pics infringed will get nothing this way either.

When I made the above posts though I thought we were talking about 9000 individual copyright infringments ie 9000 pics not 9000 galleries if this is the case then that puts a different complection on things.

Panda

[NakedPanda]

I do think before I post smut pimp
but I dont like the way APIC "do business"
they have not helped as middle men here at all they have not gotten anything for the people whose copyright may have been infringed and they have hung absolut-series webmaster out to dry wasting a site that I probably would have valued at about your above quote but like I said above I thought we were talking 9000 pics not galleries.
Even so given that those with copyright will get nothing this way and AS webmaster looses everything I ask u has it been a good thing that APIC have been involved.
If someone stole an apple what would be better make them pay for that apple and the bother they had caused u or chop off their hand so they can never steal an apple with it again?

Panda

[smut pimp]

Panda I have to agree that you think before you post. I should not have posted that statement. My apologies for that.

I also do agree with you that chopping off someone’s hand for stealing an apple is not the right way to go BUT I seriously do believe that stealing content is a serious crime. It is one of the most valuable assets in this business and it should be treated as such. I think that most people do underestimate the value of content and the influence of content stealing on our business. We should all act against this practice and therefore I support APIC because they seem to be representing a lot of content providers and are actively prosecuting content stealers.

APIC didn't shut down the site they only gave AS the choice between shutting down the site and being prosecuted. AS decided that he preferred shutting down the site above a lawsuit against him.

[djkjpro]

What da..
what happen?! man this is too much to read, can someone pls. just tell me what happened in brief?!
what was illegal that he did?!
:confused:

[theo]

a-series asked at least 15photos therefore most proably their own sites had at least 15 photos. 9000 galleries x15 photos = 135.000. I don't think they left any adult oriented photo ever made unused! Think about it 135.000 photos!!!! With my dialup connection i need 25 days (24hours online) to upload them! LOL

[djkjpro]

so are you saying it's copyrighted photo's or?
is every TGP technicaly illegal? cus all the galleries listed on TGP's are not copyrighted and when a TGP is placing that gallery then it will be held responsible?! is that what you mean that they got busted for?

[trip]

IS it just me OR you ALL missed the point ??

Serious has commited (aleged..) a copyright violation by linking to pages that HE HIMSELF created and they ARE ilegal as their content is UNLICENSED !!

That has nothing to do with ANY other TGP sites that link to pages that WERE MADE by other webmasters.. (!)

Serious "was recoreded" posting these ilegal pages as his IP was loged on all those free-host sites.. he seems to be the one that made those unlicensed pages...(aleged..)

well.. is the picture clearer now.. or WHAT? :)

just my 2 cents..

[HeLiS]

i can see now why so many webmasters make jack shit and all they do is bag TGP's

take a degree course in marketing and you'll see how stupid you have been all these years

let me explain

TGPs give away free porn?....Correct

To make money from this should you try and charge for porn?.....Incorrect

So how do I make money ?.....simple use the tgp traffic who want free porn and give em free porn while in the process sell to them NOT paysites or AVS memberships sell them Videos, Sex Toys, Penis pills and anything else which is not pictures or 10sec movies which will bring you more money

people who look at porn are not all losers but hey a good % have low or avg IQ's and an even bigger % have personal problems weather it be small dick or no sex for way to long so you need to play on there needs.....a quick wank makes them happy but stops them from going to your sponcer paysite because hey they got what they came for :)


do your own test put sponcers on your site wank over your pics then after look at your sponcers....do they still appeal to you ? most wont...but hey after 3 mins of wankin ya dick some penis enlargement pills will look attractive to alot of people


this job is all about marketing so dont try and sell a hammer drill in the womens department of kmart because it will NEVER sell and all traffic is good traffic just research it and market your shit to sell to it

i hope this helps because this is what keeps my job fun and profitable

[HeLiS]

hehe trip i was wondering when someone would do a post like this heheh so many people were talking like they didnt understand what has been said.....from what i have read and what you have confirmed and what i saw all of this was brought on by the owner of the TGP and if i am wrong sorry but hey weather its thehun or some newbee stealing content is wrong and i hope they fry for it because me as a host and freehost owner has a shocking job trying to enforce copyright laws and i am happy to do it i just wish i didnt have too

content is so cheap now why steal it thats what i dont understand

Originally posted by trip:
<STRONG>IS it just me OR you ALL missed the point ??

Serious has commited (aleged..) a copyright violation by linking to pages that HE HIMSELF created and they ARE ilegal as their content is UNLICENSED !!

That has nothing to do with ANY other TGP sites that link to pages that WERE MADE by other webmasters.. (!)

Serious "was recoreded" posting these ilegal pages as his IP was loged on all those free-host sites.. he seems to be the one that made those unlicensed pages...(aleged..)

well.. is the picture clearer now.. or WHAT? :)

just my 2 cents..</STRONG>

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by NakedPanda:
<STRONG>In my opinion he did not because I think his site is probably worth more than the actual amount to which he devalued the copyright material, its only because copyright laws have unjustly swung in favour of those with copyrights
</STRONG>
You are completely out of your mind. "Swung unjustly in favor of copyright owners"??? UNJUSTLY??? You are defending a THIEF. I'm going to rob your house and steal your television and sell it from a white van on the corner by 7 Eleven. And I don't wanna hear you cry about it because we all know the theft laws have swung unjustly in favor of property owners.

Ease up on the crack pipe.

[ThaTiminator]

Originally posted by HeLiS:
<STRONG>i can see now why so many webmasters make jack shit and all they do is bag TGP's

take a degree course in marketing and you'll see how stupid you have been all these years

let me explain

TGPs give away free porn?....Correct

To make money from this should you try and charge for porn?.....Incorrect

So how do I make money ?.....simple use the tgp traffic who want free porn and give em free porn while in the process sell to them NOT paysites or AVS memberships sell them Videos, Sex Toys, Penis pills and anything else which is not pictures or 10sec movies which will bring you more money

people who look at porn are not all losers but hey a good % have low or avg IQ's and an even bigger % have personal problems weather it be small dick or no sex for way to long so you need to play on there needs.....a quick wank makes them happy but stops them from going to your sponcer paysite because hey they got what they came for :)


do your own test put sponcers on your site wank over your pics then after look at your sponcers....do they still appeal to you ? most wont...but hey after 3 mins of wankin ya dick some penis enlargement pills will look attractive to alot of people


this job is all about marketing so dont try and sell a hammer drill in the womens department of kmart because it will NEVER sell and all traffic is good traffic just research it and market your shit to sell to it

i hope this helps because this is what keeps my job fun and profitable</STRONG>

nice post HeLiS but I don't agree for the full 100%...
you are right when you say that you can even make tgp traffic a lot more profitable than it ought to be by researching it and try to sell different things than might be logical in first sight...

but you say "all traffic is good traffic" and again you're right when you're talking about the part of the traffic that is able and wanting to pull their creditcard out of their wallet. what you miss is the difference between 2 types of surfers: people who are able and are open for paying for stuff and people who will never ever pay because they can't (no cc) or because they don't dare or because they won't because they don't want their wives to know or whatever! there A LOT of scumbags out there who just surf for the free porn and even if it's not there anymore as much as it used to don't pay for the shit...

what i'm trying the say is this; traffic with a high percentage of these scumbag surfers (like tgp-traffic) is bad traffic, FOR ANYTHING YOU TRY TO SELL THEM, simply because they DON'T BUY THINGS ONLINE EVER!
so in that extend there IS something like bad traffic, and not all traffic is good traffic...

just wanted to add this to your nice post...

grtz, tim.

[manga]

I have never understood why these big tgps never made their sites membership sites, either through charging something small like $10 a month, or by at least getting an email from the surfer in return for membership. I think a small fee for membership would be a great way to weed out the freeloaders and make tgps a lot more profitable. Why give it all for free??

[Aquaman]

Hey... The site has returned to normal:
http://www.absolut-series.com/

[*Kimmykim*]

Originally posted by newvision:
<STRONG>a few points..fist BassChick...you can legally link illegal content in the US depending on your region..I learned this first hand with a client I host. I got called on the beast links...I called my provider..UUNET..they said it depends on Federal Law, state, and local laws....Feds said they had no restriction on the beast links....local said they base theirs on state level...Iowa's State Attorney General said that this site was legal because he didnt' actually have the content and the banners showed no human/animal contact
</STRONG>


Let's get one thing straight ok? Bestiality and copyright infringement/stolen content have NOTHING in common.

Bestiality is actually legal in MORE states this year than it was last year. That does NOT mean it can't be prosecuted for obscenity in jurisdictions where it is LEGAL.

Don't confuse apples and oranges.

Content thieves are stealing money not just from content producers but from EVERY webmaster who buys their content and uses it within the realm of their license.

All this nonsense about how bad it is for the tgp that closed and how they should sue APIC, etc? These people are wailing over those that are taking money out of the pockets of people that work hard and do it right.

Stop crying.

[Rockys Porn]

indeed
;)

[Viking]

we really should go the TGP2 way...

At the moment we're giving away shitloads of everything and of course they won't pay. Why the hell should a surfer pay when we give him enough to wank 12 times during the night

[*Kimmykim*]

Originally posted by Viking:
<STRONG>we really should go the TGP2 way...

At the moment we're giving away shitloads of everything and of course they won't pay. Why the hell should a surfer pay when we give him enough to wank 12 times during the night</STRONG>


Nice to see the light isn't it??? :) :) :)

[Viking]

Sure is...

I make more money on 10 TGP2 galleries than I do on 50 ordinary TGP galleries...

[NakedPanda]

Amputate your head
Feel free to steal my TV as long as I can sue you for the cost inconvenience and any damage done along the way nothing more nothing less not 10,000 payment on top of that for "emotional damages " like u see these days.
I was working on the basis of 9000 pictures though which I thought would have been devalued by about $3000 I think this is less than absolut-series was worth.
Besides for all those who have argued copyright infringment is such a serious crime and so APIC are our hero's notice how nothing seems to have been recouped by those copyright owmners this way.

Plus dont lecture me on how much I can smoke my crack pipe I will smoke it as much as I like ;)

As it turns out it looks like absolut-series has been sold so I guess absolut's site didnt get wasted after all

Panda (Stop being mean to me I thought it was 9000 pictures in galleries not 9000 galleries leave me alone)

[romulus]

I posted this here as a backup because my last post got pulled from the APIC message board...

---

I am wondering why my earlier post was pulled?

Is this Steve Easton into censorship also? Was it because my statement that the letter I saw posted looked unprofessional so I gave it no creedance?

Simply pulling my post like that enforces my opinion of total unprofessionalism.

Having said that, if it is true that the A-S webmaster was linking his OWN sites containing stolen images then Cudo's! He got what he deserved!!! If I must spend 10's of thousand of dollars per year on content then so should everyone! Stealing is not the right way to get by in this business!
---

[CrazyDave]

I have a question? Is this the site you guys (and lovly ladies) are talking about http://www.absolut-series.com/ because thats up right now?

[CrazyDave]

Hey whats up with the board calling me a little jerk? How do they know me?

[Easymoneynet]

We would like to buy this domain, Absolut plz respond to private message

Cheers,
Kormchii

[MayorX]

Well contnet providers are going to go after the bigger fishes that have bank$$ for example the max-cahs dialer scam lawsuite. same deal here. so all you smaller tgps posting stolen content wont really have to worry. but i would like to see ALL TGPS DIE! as we would all make more money as 89% of surfers GET-OFF-ON-TGP-CONTENT and thos dont join PAYSITES! forgot where i was this WebPoll but why pay if you can get it for free! best way to go is back to CJ-101!


:D

[RodeoCowboy]

This all bullshit. I'm from Canada and I can tell you with certainty that if you found a good lawyer in Canada they would tell you that the email from APIC is bullshit. In fact if any criminal charges would be laid it would be against APIC. In Canada its against the Criminal Code to threaten criminal charges in order force someone to do something. As if APIC has some power of the RCMP. No fucking way. The RCMP has much better things to worry about right now (like investigating terrorism in Canada) then to be concerned about the rights of pornographers. If there is any copyright infringement its a civil matter. Any threats of criminal action is just bullshit. Its about time webmasters stood up to APIC and told them to go fuck themselves.

[mukoh]

First thing I find it funny a company that pretends to be as serious as APIC, notifies its defendants in an email. I thought the standard was a Certified Letter or Courier Letter.
Is email even a valid court notification?

[NakedPanda]

Yeah Im with you as far as leaving absolut with the impression the police maybe involved is concerned but as it turned out his copyright infringement was apparently massive and he managed to sell his site so I doubt a lawyer could have got anything better than that for him

Panda

[*Kimmykim*]

RodeoCowboy, did you fall off your horse and hit your head?

People stealing content deserve whatever they get. Period.