daily updates good or bad

[playa]

i want everyone to think about this...

are you better off updating your TGP everyday?

do you think your traffic grows better when you update everyday?

does your bookmark traffic increase when you update everyday?

sometimes i find that i get more sign ups on days i don't update.... my guess is that they seen all the gallerys might want to check out these sponsers for a change..

can this theory be true

yes it can be a bitch updating a TGP

[CowboySurfers.com]

Playa,

I found yes yes yes and yes.

Just a few days ago i was thinkingg about these things too .. http://www.buildinganempire.com/bookmarkers.html

I also think you're 100% right on your last point .. more signups when you don't update.

I look at it as:

Get traffic now.
Make money later ..

So .. I figure update every day now and grab the visitors .. then later when ya got a buncha bookmarked traffic .. skip an update day on the busiest couple days of the week or something.

[basschick]

you can make more money initially, but you'll start to lose a lot of bookmarkers when you don't update every day... according to my stats when my tgp was active, a LOT of guys came every day. when i stopped daily updates, they stopped coming.

and when they stop coming, your galleries get less hits, so some people stop posting, and then you have less galleries and less bookmarkers, and so on.

been there - wish i'd been motivated enough to update every day.

[Fart]

How is that: I checked an old tgp style site again (well more a link site actually) and what I saw is I got over 300 posts within the last 8 weeks or so and 80% or so of them have recip links http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif How could that happen? That site had 1,000 uniques or so a day when I left it alone, and the traffic dropped then to 100/day because the script was broken and didn't send people to the galleries (and I didn't update), nevertheless I got all these submissions. I must have been included in tgsw or the like? Ah well have to look through all these galleries now...

I will submit the 200 or so recip galleries to SE's, damn that will bring me some link popularity wohoo!

I believe I got these submissions because the site looks pretty busy and maintained at the first look. Another one of my sites with much more traffic and well maintained gets 1 submissions or so per day, I think because it doesn't look good.

[playa]

i can't believe i don't get more comments about this topic

[Labret]

For two years I busted my ass on updating my pages every day (free sites / tgp's), and I thought that if I did stop updating daily people would not bookmark.

That is exactly what happened. But I noticed something strange. I still made the same amount of money, with 10,000 less uniques per day. And my bandwdith bill went down.

The simple fact of the matter is bookmarkers are leeches. The leech your images and your bandwidth... in short, they suck. They will never buy.

I now use this theory on 90% of my "free" sites. Traffic comes in, traffic goes out. I do not want the same stale bastards coming in every day. It works. Or at least it does for me.

[Fart]

Probably it was already answered? I guess it's pretty clear: Better in the long run if you update regularely because you build traffic and they trust you etc... But if you tend to leave stuff alone after a while then you could as well suck everything out of it the first months and not update so much. The worst would be to update every day, make it very userfriendly and then leave it alone. I personally never managed to run a site for very long. My personal recommendation would be update as often as you can and want. It's pointless to say update it every day, you probably would stop it anyway after a while because you aren't satisfied with the work/income ratio. And my example from above was meant as an answer as well, such as showing how the success of a tgp could depend on other stuff than regular updates. I would consider getting many submissions with recips as success, too. Few years ago I made a directory style site. I then looked for some stuff to link to just to have some bookmark value. One of the sites I linked too was thumbzilla. That wasn't a big deal back then. I was most of the time the #1 referrer on his top list and I didn't care much about it. It was just one of a dozen links on my main page. Well MY site doesn't exist anymore but thumbzilla has decent success now. Because he kept it running and I didn't. It also depends much on your whole attitude towards this business. I must admit that I always kept thinking I will leave this biz when I got enough money. I didn't know how much would be enough, but I'm stil here. But my attitude always kept me from starting stuff that is too much on a long term basis. I also started pay sites and stopped again. It all was too much involvement, too much long term, too much investment. So if you can imagine to do this for a real long time, then yes, update daily, do it 365/year, and you should have some serious 5 star living from it in 5 years.

[Fart]

As for the examples that not updating makes more money. I'd say this is only short to avergae term. You just need to overcome this period. If you grow real big, and if you (of course) have some scripts running which make the work much easier, then you grow into economies of scale. You get the better galleries, the better recips, people play by the rules coz they don't want to piss you off, and the more visitors you have the more likely you could find buyers for any piece of crap. Also, you could start selling impressions/banner places. The main reason why you have to wait 4 weeks for the HUN is not a backlog IMHO but because he wants to force you to keep that 4 weeks up, and when it's up 4 weeks then chances are that it will stay even longer. Also the stuff with 1 every 4 days is only just to not depend on a few webmasters only, not to "give everyone a chance" I'd say. (And he's a nice guy and it's his right to do all that) All that stuff that you only could do when you are big. I still wouldn't start a long term thing, and the main reason is that you really need to do it for a long time. Probably the Hun also would have done better if he took some hundred good type in domains back then when he started. There must have been quite a few still available. Well probably he did hehehe

[basschick]

labret - i think it's all in how you advertise to bookmarkers. i have a tiny tgp, and every time i change my ads, if i make sure it's something they would like, and i recommend it to them, they buy!

and once again, if you have bookmarkers to check all the galleries, more galleries will post!

[Labret]

I agree on the tgp point. If your running UCJ errr whatever, you obviously want as much traffic clicking as you can get, and who really gives a rats ass if it is bookmark traffic.

I have three tgp's currently (amongst other things). I do updates on two of them almost daily, and one I just leave alone. The one I just leave alone does great, traffic only growing by the day, largely due to UCJ trades. And with the trades, its pretty much fresh traffic daily. There really is no incentive to update as I do not need bookmarkers, nor do I want bookmarkers. I do not use sponsors on my tgp's, my paysites are my sponsors. And the last thing I want as a paysite is a bookmarker.

I guess it can go either way.

My philosophy, my mantra: "The surfer is my enemy". I dont treat them like shit, on the contrary I probably treat them better than most free sites / tgps / circle jerks. 1 exit console and no blind links. Although I do make them work for their whackin material.

Free porn is bad. In my dreams there is no free porn.

[Labret]

note: on the two tgp's that I do update, they are small fetish niche oriented tgp's. You havta treat that stuff differently.

[Marina]

Playa,
I personally do NOT see a difference if I update every day or not..... sometimes I go an entire month without updating.... same traffic, same $$.... In fact a few months ago I got the tgp up to 100k without updating and they were still clicking around on month old galleries.... and money was still the same perhaps a little more... so I don't sweat it about updating.....

Marina

[Marina]

Ohh yeah what I wanted to say is the gallery updates didn't matter much in my OWN personal experience but the layout of the site plays a TREMENDIOUS part..... As Im very new to tgp work this is the one important thing I have learned.... by chnaging the layout a few times and seen what worked pretty good and what totally sucked ass! Still experimenting to try and get it... it's constant tweeking.... http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif


Marina

[magnatique]

yeah, layout is strange..

I mean, with different traffic, different layout won't work...


depends on the site also... if you have a site where the people KNOW you update.... then if you don't , traffic goes down... but if you got a tgp that is CJII like, it won't matter much..

just like marina's case... she says it doesn't matter..

but my buddy shap will get pissed if he misses an update for two weeks...

the other day, he was like: DUDE! I BROKE 600k! I'm like, how did you do it, Masta! he said UPDATES EVERYDAY! http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

see, it's all considering your layout/type of site.

[unconnected]

bookmarkers may be leechers but they are still traffic..and the bottom line is the more traffic you have the more money you will make..
I totally dont' buy that 10k less traffic and the same cash..because if I have an extra 10k of bookmarkers it doesn't just mean that I will have an extra BW bill, it meeans that I have now an extra 10k of traffic to send to my trades , and to get another 12-15k of fresh traffic back...
My general rule for starting sites is traffic first and money later..
Because ultimately, traffic is king...

[magnatique]

yep http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif totally agree... but I've never been able to drive traffic properly... :\..

[playa]

i can see this can be a highly debatable subject...
right now i just update every 2 or 3 days,,,

like i said i get more sign ups when i don't update

[Due]

Damn all this reading, mayby this has been said in one of the earlier posts.
From my experience people will bookmark your site if you give them QUALITY in your galleries. and daily updates.
Don't accept blury small thumbs with 5 recips http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif (only if mine is between them)