New Exit Traffic Rules (Sponsors Only Please)

[JackMorton]

Hello guys. Everybody is waiting for us cj sponsors to help clean up cj's and nothing is happening. I have been asked by quite a few of my webmasters to help get this done so I'd like to invite Killah, Steve, Goof, Anton, and Brian to join me here and get this thing finished. We basically all agree that there should be 1 entry and 1 exit console only. I would like to hear other suggestions and/or concerns you guys have. We should agree and set a date and make sure all our webmasters are aware of the new rules and deadline to comply. I await your responses.

I don't want to have people posting on this thread about being owed money by a sponsor or having differences aired here between any of you guys. We're all pro's, lets keep it at a professional level.

Jack Morton

[Killah]

OK, let me try to list some things that we should discuss:

1. Do we all agree in 1 enter and our exit ?
(The sponsor-exit can only be opened ONCE, not a double exit)
I guess so... If not, please write this and explain why this should be changed.


2. Our exits: I personally HATE the exits that the customers give us. They open chains in light-speed. But as far as I can see this is a fact that can't be changed because of the contracts that most of us have.
So the style of the exit should be not defined. As long as it's ONE exit and no double, it's ok. Even if 20 new windows open in chain after this.

3. The enter consoles: ONLY one.
Thats all I would say. Should exits from this console be allowed ? This could end in another browser hell that we want to prevent with the new rules.
Any suggestions ?

4. Java-Crap: It's sometimes hard to figure out how the pages are trapped with java-crap. Right-Mouse Consoles, Refreshing windows, consoles with delay.... We know this stuff.
And I guess there can ONLY be ONE rule: All or nothing.
I would recommend NOTHING.

OK, I hope this post gives a start and we can talk about these probs and definitions now.

Greets, Killah
SellYourExit.com

[Anton P]

Jack is right it is time. In our program we monitor most of the sites to see if they comply by our rules. I would allow one entrance console if it would open on top of the page. and one exit console.
No more popups on the page. I will be emailing all our webmasters this week to start the process. Its about time.

[Killah]

Anton, I suggest that we first talk about the exact rules and when we have a result, we can ALL email our customers.
But a too fast mailing which has to be canceled in some way because we made new decisions could piss off the customers.

So we better talk first and mail after this.

Greetz, Killah
SellYourExit.com

[Goof]

One enter and one exit sounds like a good way to keep the traffic clean. If by one exit, you're talking about have one come up at a time, I'm in.

I don't see how having 2 exits come up simultaneously would provoke a surfer to look at either of them.

Keep in mind these guidelines are not only good for the CJ traffic quality, but will keep more traffic flowing through the CJ sites to increase their volumes.

Regards.

Doug
Xamo Entertainment Inc
ICQ# 16014817

[JackMorton]

Thanks guys for responding. We still have to hear from Steve and Brian.

How about the exit opening when a sufer clicks on any links buttons thumbs etc. Do you want to allow that?

I don't think we should allow that since that's not a true exit. I define exit as a sufer leaving a site without clicking on anything. If they click on a link to go to another site, I don't think the exit should open. But I'll go with you on your decision.

Jack Morton
ICQ # 58922508

[Anton P]

Yes Killah you are correct
we wont do anything before we agree on something altogether

[Anton P]

Yes Killah you are correct
we wont do anything before we agree on something altogether

[TheBigGuy]

Jack good idea, I don't think it'll work too long for the simple reason, We can all agree on rules here but competiton in the market place will determine how we do business. How much we make and if we survive.

Who is going to turn down a 15M or 20M or even 30M a month prepaid contract because there are more than 1 popups in the exit chain?

It only takes 1 guy to break the rules and the sponsors will go with him.

The rest will be left out in the cold.

Just my half a cent a hit idea
Peace and prosperity to all

[Jason]

Sorry But Im Not A Buyer But I do have EMI's/Brian New Policy snippet from the email and this is thier new rules.The second issue is that of traffic quality. The arrangements we have with you, for the most part, are to buy forced exit traffic. This means we are buying the exit console from your site, not a hidden window, under seven other windows, each of which spawn fifteen more windows, etc. Now of course I'm being facetious, but the point is clear, and as a result we have arrived at the following policies :

We can be an entrance console, or an exit console, but not both.
To help avoid our exit getting closed as a user frantically tries to close a heap of exit consoles, we cannot allow more than two exit consoles and one entrance console (including exits popped from other exits), and of those we must be the one which appears "on top" (i.e. it pops last). After all, we are buying your exit.
We cannot allow insidious mechanisms that trick and confuse the surfer. This includes misleading warning, error, message, software certificate, or install dialog layers, as well as mousover popups. These mechanisms simply frustrate the surfer, causing the overall quality of our traffic to suffer.

[Killah]

It's good to see that we have a response and that a dialog takes place here.

I don't like the post of "TheBigGuy".
We are not here to end after all discussions at the point we are now.
Something HAS to change and if he would look a bit in the future, he could see that this all will be positive for himself.

It's easy to show up the worst problems here and to surrender before we even have finished the pro and contra for these rules.
It's right that if there still will be a broker who allows double exits, java-crap and all this stuff, many NEW webmasters will compare the rules and decide to start with him.
But if you have some experience with CJ-Sites, you know that a right-mouse console or a onmouseover-cosole will NEVER decrease your outclicks or your traffic more than 1-3%.
Even if you switch from 3 enter consoles to 1, you will not go to ruin because the traffic IS STILL there and the surfers will not leave because they don't see your 4 browsers popping up. Taking away consoles does NOT decrease the traffic on your sites, thats what I experienced and ALL webmasters that have CJ sites with +10k will know this also.
Newbies don't know it, they test arround and might switch to this one broker that still allows the browser-hell.

But as long as the big sites, which ALL use the exits from the established brokers, will stay with us, we can make these rules without being scared that we all end in a small house in Afghanistan because all the income went away.
I'm sure they will, thats what I hear from my friends in the webmaster scene. Some of them are already waiting a long long time for this and will welcome the new rules.
I trust on their IQs that they see which possibilities open with better quality traffic for them.
Imagine Al4A trading 100k daily with Freepicturesgallery....

Sorry for the long post, but I hope that I can take the wind out of the sails from people like TheBigGuy who want to leave everything as it is, without a smart look to the future.

Take Care, Killah
SellYourExit.com

[TheBigGuy]

I didn't ask your opinion Killah.

What I said and will say again, is that if 1 guy accepts multiple popups and pays for it everyone will go for it. So preaching clean sites and rules will only work if 100% of the sites comply.

And reality is people break these so called rules if they make more money.

Here http://www.keelebayltd.com

I buy half a cent a hit and don't give a rats ass how many popups there are.

You telling me that people will not sell me their traffic just to keep some rule in place?

Never money talks and bullshit walks, and thats reality. And there will always be some one like me who will accept multiple popups and so these so called rules will not last too long.

Peace and prosperity

[Anth0ny]

I hate to say it, but he's 100% right.

Trying to put rules and regulations on how webmasters run their site has proven in the past not to work.

[donger]

ok, i'm all for globally cleaning up CJ sites. These new rules you're talking about, though, do you mean one entry console and one sponsor exit console only? or is this one entry console and one exit of our own? the way i usually do things is to load a gallery type page behind my main one, exit to sponsor from that, then exit to another console off my main page. Is this what you guys are talking about w/ being in compliance with your rules? I think this is pretty reasonable and clean, and haven't ever had anybody complain about me doing it this way, nor have i ever opened more than one window at once. Just curious,

ttyl
donger

[TheBigGuy]

Anth0ny I totally agree with you, and not because you see the logic in my message.

Anyone ever hear of OPEC?
The oil boys who have tried to set rules and price quotas for nearly 30 years?

The decissions they make are broken by their own members even before all the mmebers fly to their homes.

There is no way every webmaster will co-operate and hold the line, it only takes 1 guy to break the rules, that guy will end up rich and rest can preach rules till they reach the soup kitchen.

I totally agree we should all "try" to self police our own sites, but making broad far reaching rules is unenforceable.

Anyone want to reach me duirectly my icq number is 65809365

Peace and prosperity to all

[richard]

yea yea, i made that point in post on Brian's thread... http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

ride on BigGuy.

[Rimmer]

One point though is the exit traffic sponsors who have these clean rules should in effect be able to pay more per raw as the quality of traffic is higher that they are buying than those who don't have such rules.

A new player could come on to the market with no rules etc but they would not have long term sustainability at the higher prices. Basicly it comes down to Shit in Shit Out!

[Killah]

Uhmm.. "BigGuy", is this a message board ?
I don't know for sure..
If not, I'm sorry that I posted my opinion.

Killah

[TheBigGuy]

Yeh killah this is a message board.

The reason for my answer to your response was that you said, quote.

"I don't like the post of "TheBigGuy"."

The fact remains that if people don't like multiple popups and layers they should run free sites like persiankitty with extra clean links

otherwise cj's will always be what their name says.

CIRCLE JERKS!

Peace and prosperity to all

[Due]

TheBigGuy>> The reason we make CIRCLE JERKS is that we DON'T wanna make free sites with clean links etc.
We do it to JERK surfers around and make money from it.
But I will admit that it's about time the sites get a bit cleaner. But I don't make the rules so I can say to others "Remove that link..... etc. etc."

[TheBigGuy]

Due I agree 100% with your statement
But we go with the market, right now sponsors are adding a lot of exits to their urls, I see that across the board.

Its a trend that I think will go away because sponsors will realize that surfers don't necessarily click on a button on the 20th popup.

Ny main point is what you said, cj's are to make money not win adult industry prizes for design and ease of surfing

Peace and prosperity to all

[Dan S]

Everybody seems to have valid points.

Rimmer suggested a voting system before.
In my small eyes it was the best idea yet.
Nobody can dictate rules, even exit sponsors.

No offense to anybody, but I find it a little strange that sponsors want to set the rule package for CJ sites.

I see the only way to go is to setup a voting system like Rimmer suggested and use the exit sponsors as a tool to enforce these rules, beside everyones own decision of with what he want to trade with or not.

Do you remember the last time this discussion was on top of all threads?
NickD said "why fix something that is not broken?"
And everyone shut up, that was the end of the thread.

Now the question is:
What is broken?

Everyone has enuff tools everyday to make his trading zone cleaner.

If somebody wants to trade with my site, and while checking his site my browser crashes I will check again, maybe its nutscape, maybe his site.

I tell him I cant trade with that stuff until he changes the bad stuff.

Somebody pops up multiple consoles and I do not like to trade with that stuff.

AGAIN:
I tell him I cant trade with that stuff until he changes the bad stuff.

One thing for sure, I do not have the time to search all the bad apples in my database.

Thats why I have got UCJ-C 3 (or any other script with productivity tracking will do the job).
If a site falls out of line I check it.
If I find something against my rules I contact the owner.

If he cant get rid of the annoying stuff:
I can get rid of it http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif
AGAIN:
I tell him I cant trade with that stuff until he changes the bad stuff.


Wow, propably my longest post and just my 2 cents.


$$$ rules

Dan