***New Information***

[MrBrian]

Everyone Please Read This

Please No Negative On this Thread
http://www.trafficresources.com/exit.htm


thanks, brian

[TheJimmy]

WOO HOO!

That is good news....Very glad to see a clean up of trades...

I'm not a heavy trader "yet" but the traffic I do send to my CJ is some high-quality stuff that I leak off from my SE work. I've always been hesitant to give away good for bad, esp when I'm being traded off a 3rd console and that kind of madness.

Thanks a ton for pushing a cleaning up of the CJ game as I'm new to this end of the biz and love productive traffic and my wallet more than impressive traffic #s.

TheJ, clean trades at www.porntank.com (http://www.porntank.com)
ICQ 5702550
"Get Your Spank On!" :-)

[Killah]

Brian, do you raise the payments
for the webmasters who keep the rules that you write there ?
Or which changes can they expect from your side ?
Nothing negative, just a question, I want to understand the goal.

Killah

[MrBrian]

I raised prices a while ago after i got rid of a few bad apples http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

If anyone wants to be added to the list
email to info@trafficresources.com and include your url/name and it will be done asap

thanks, brian

[Killah]

And what is the actual payment?
And how often do you pay ?

Killah

[MrBrian]

i pay 2 cents per raw exit and i wire the money into your account daily for free

[TheBigGuy]

I pay half a cent a hit, very very limited rules.

basically no spamming. No animal, child, rape or torture on the pages sending me exit/blind hits.
http://www.keelebayltd.com

And no fake hits, maybe I should buy some traffic from you.

[MrBrian]

I'll pass on the spam, i'm cooking porkchops

[JackMorton]

2 cents raw MrBrian? and you wire everyday? Boy you must have one hell of a sponsor!!! Tell you what, I can send you 3,500,000 per day - you interested? I'll even give you a 10% discount. Hell, never heard of a company that pays 2 cents raw before (unless they shave 90% of the hits) and to save you the trouble of wiring everyday, you may wire me once a week. You interested? e-mail me.

Or better yet, tell us who your sponsor is so all of us can sell to them so we can all pay 2 cents raw. You'd be doing the industry one hell of a favour.

Webmasters, you want a serious sponsor that pays you every week - on time, no BS, icq me 58922508 - but please don't ask me to pay you 2 cents until I get the sponsor's name from MrBrian.

I can't pay you 2 cents raw - but hey, I'll pay you on time, every time, whatever you earn - just ask around and your friends will tell you its true.

Jack Morton
icq# 58922508

[TheBigGuy]

Hey jack, whoever you are,

I see your point and boy are you 100% right.

I don't know any sponsor buying exit at even close to 2 cents an exit hit.

But you're more than welcome to come over to my program
http://www.keelebayltd.com

I pay HALF a Cent an exit hit, and on time everytime pal.

I don't know how I could raise my payout 4 time overnight. And here is the reason, that most intelligent guys will understand, exit traffic is crap, and crap ain't worth 2 Cents to me.

[MrBrian]

i'll pay .6 cents to anyone coming from killah, jack or keele...hows that for spam

[Rimmer]

Isn't the idea for some cooperation amongst the sponsors to have some kind of uniformity and try to bring up the quality of the traffic. Not some bickering spam session where you try to turn it into my program pays more than yours. Remember its not just how much you pay per exit but how many hits you count too. Hell I could pay you $5 per exit and shave fucking 99.9% though I guess you'd find me out on that one. But then if I shaved 10% and paid an extra 0.5 cents a hit then my program would certainly look better than everyone elses. Or maybe I'll shave 20% and pay everyone 1 cent more than everyone else.

Luckily I'm not an exit traffic broker so I'm not in that dilemma.

Its plain as day Brians post was just his usual sarcasm instead of spamming with his real rates. Most serious webmasters already know Brians rates and how often he pays. I don't know who in their right fucking mind could believe he's serious when he says he pays everyday. I suppose you took him serious when he offered his midgetamputeesex.org up for sale here too. Actually when I think about it he really did own that domain http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[TheBigGuy]

I what happened to the 2 Cent raw exit you said you were paying in the other post, where you said you wire everyday???

Seems to me you change your program on the fly pal.

Well anyone with half a brain can tell that unlike you my half a cent a hit is stable program not some wild statement to get attention.

How can anyone with a track record with me even consider changing to you when you changed payouts up to 2 cents per raw then offering to pay .6C for my webmasters all in 1 night??????????

I give my webmasters more credit than you seem to do.They are smarter than to leave me for a guy changing payouts up and down all in one day.

hello, very unprofessional, I wouldn't do this kind of thing even for a joke.

I pay half a cent on time everytime, and no change of programs 2 or 3 times a year let a lone in 1 day, hahahaahahahahaahahahaha

Hey if you can steal my happy webmasters good luck, they're too smart to fall for this, http://www.keelebayltd.com

The serious program for serious webmasters who don't want their payouts changed a few times a day, stable, honets and a dam lot less rules than some.

[TheBigGuy]

Hey rimmer, the reason you nbever see shit from my hundreds of webmasters is becaaue I pay on time every time, I don't take them for the fool and post wild ridiculous statements and play with their heads.

If what MrBrian posted about the 2 cents a raw and he wires daily was a joke it was silly.

I would never expect anyone to take me seriously if I joked about their payouts and checks.

So lets bring some intelligent dialogue to this board, and traffic brokers act more responsible, I personally take offense by the latter post by MrBrian where he offered my webmasters .6C to leave my program for his.

It shows no respect for other brokers, and is a cheap shot to steal accounts.

And as I said in my previous post, my webmasters are more intelligent than to take any broker seriously who changes payouts up and down all in 1 day.

So if you want to be mature and seriously discuss trade related topics I'm all for it, but no one will tak me or my webmasters for the fool.
http://www.keelebayltd.com

all we change is our underwear everyday, not our payouts

[Rimmer]

I hear the midgetamputeesex.org domain is still for sale ... put your offers in here http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif
http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000286.html

[Mymoney]

Whata crook of s**t, I would never switch from a program that pays me on time, no late pays, no bounced checks to a program that makes price changes up and down for a joke.

I make alot of money with traffic and I respect Thebigguy for his
www.keelebayltd.com (http://www.keelebayltd.com)

because I am not teased or taken for a joke.

The dam guy pays on time, no hassles no changes and has the most liberal and flexible rules out there.

I take my hat off to keelebayltd.com for treating me with respect paying me and not shaving. I'll stick with the guy and half a cent is dam good for exit.

Go mrbiguy you tell the world how straight and cool your proggy is, not let these guys make a fun out of webmasters like me who love your proggy.

We don't need no one making a joke out of us,

[WEJERKUHARD]

I pay 81 cents per shaved unique hit after
10 doorway pages , that means in reality
you get .0000002 cents per hit!

thats how the big boys got rich!

Jerkin yaz all.......

[Juggler]

Well said Rimmer what is it with you exit guys can't you learn to play nicely. Why don't you lot go and start your own little bitching board it has got REALLY boring. This board use to be a great way to learn and share ideas but it seems to have become a board for you exit guy's to whinge at each other. The only reason I make any sense of this, is that you need to do it because you are compensating for small willy's. Come on guy's it is not that bad have a look around the net there are a lot of growth product's out there.


Just Juggler's 5 cent's worth oh by the way anyone know where I can sign up for a good exit program I think I just got band for all the ones I know (-:

Happy trading

[Killah]

To Brian:
I don't know why you pull this all in a joke when I ask you what you pay and how often.
If somebody asks me about this, I can tell him proudly what I offer and how satisfied my webmasters are.

Why is there a need to pull this into 2 cents and some daily-payment stories ?

A short correct answer would have been enough...

But I have also an offer... I send you some hundred k daily and you pay me 0,6 cents, ok ?
I mean I come "from Killah" :-)
This would be much more easy because I don't have to worry about the quality of my traffic and I would get paid every single week (or not??).
Tell me how much you can handle and if the payment stays at 0,6 for the next 3 months.
You can reach me via Email or ICQ.

Thanks Brian,


Killah
SellYourExit.com

[MrBrian]

Killah-
I EMAILED you about this post. on other posts on this board you were all for it. if you wanted my rates you should of just emailed me back. this post concerns cleaning up the cjs. so, you have no right to post on this thread and im really disappointed you wont add yourself to the list.

i wont be answering anymore stupid questions on the boards and im especially tired of these people out of the blue supporting other people out of the blue.

this was a post to help set up some rules and a few bad apples try to ruin it. *thanks*

i have email, and ron/12clicks is the only person that emails me with questions and comments. so, thumbs up to him for emailing me and having a sense of humor, god forbid.

i bid you peace, brian & the frugal gormet

[Killah]

This was your email:
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please read this, pass it to friends
and email me back if i can add you to the TR clean list
thanks, brian

http://www.trafficresources.com/exit.htm
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How can I see how much you pay, how often and how much you shave ? Maybe it's some kind of 3D mail that I have tu turn arround and see the hidden lines ? Jesus... Let me try it...
...
...
Hmm.. Didn't work...
Uhmm.... So you said you want to clean up the CJ sites.
OK.
And what do the webmasters get in return for cleaning up ? I mean the 2 cents story was a joke if I understand this correct. Then you offered 0,6 cents for all guys comming from me and the others. Last time I did business with you it was 0,3 cents...
Sorry, but this confuses me a bit and I just ask the following:
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How much do you pay to the clean webpages, how often and does XMonitor still count 20 % less than our CentralAds does ?
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This is no joke, nothing negative, just a question...
I think this is INTERESTING for the webmasters also.

Killah
SellYourExit.

[Rimmer]

Killah,

This discussion was originally about having the main exit traffic sponsors programs try to agree on a set of reasonably standard rules to try and improve things for the CJ webmaster community.

As Brian noted you were acting positively towards this idea in other posts.

Please don't turn this into program points scoring as that really gets us nowhere.

Personally I've never used any exit traffic sponsor program as I use my exit traffic for my own projects.

But I've heard good things about both yours and Brians exit traffic programs. As far as the rest of the competition there is only one program which I might call questionable where a few webmaster I trust have not been paid their rightful earnings.

I would love to see you work together with Brian and try to bring the rest of the Exit Traffic Brokers together on these united rules. If its done properly it will help clean up and improve the traffic quality.

[Killah]

Sure Tim.
I'n not against the clean-up, I would welcome it.
But really don't understand why it is impossible to tell me how his program runs for these webmasters.

If this is a secret, ok.


Killah
SellYourExit.com
CycleJerk.com

[Juggler]

Hi Killah

I think you are missing the point it does not matter if MrBrian is paying $0.0000000001 or $5000 a hit this post is about the new rules which are step towards cleaning up Cj sites which a lot of us believe is really needed.

If you really want to know what he is paying and you want to sell him traffic ICQ Brian I am sure he will be able to give you a good deal but lets not lose track about what this post is about the CJ community getting it shit togeather so come on this post is about cleaning up CJ not anyones payrates or how good there sponsors program is

With the bickering (mainly between exit sponsors) this board is fastly becoming of no use to anyone if you think I am wrong check who is posting now There has been a decrease in the people posting due to the fact nearly every post ends up in a stupid slanging match.

If it was my board I would be banning people from using it because it is just making us go around in circles instead of working togeather

Happy trading everyone

[Killah]

OK, I'll shut up about exit programms.
And also about rules, payments and shaving.
I hope alll other brokers do the same.
(Also Jesus...)

Killah
SellYourExit.com
CycleJerk.com

[mutley]

Well... I have read http://www.trafficresources.com/exit.htm and noticed some strange things....

"Your Site can not contain any layers of any shape, size, or form"

"Below are Sites that agree with these terms and wish all sites will comply."

At the end of the list, http://www.tinyvirgins.com/ is listed... and that site sure break the rules... at least 3 layers...

[cynthia]

Look at the source code: those aren't layers. That site is in perfect compliance with the new rules.

[mutley]

I thought these new "rules" should increase the productivity of the traffic sent...

That site still use some images, shaped like another window/media player/etc... layers or not layers, "fake window" images that are just like "fake windows" made with the layer tag, don't increase productivity...

just my 2 cents...

[Dan S]

Hmm,
I think this need to be made more clear.

I thought these things on tinyvirgin is what it is all about? looks like I thought wrong...

so layer style gifs are still ok I assume? or what?

than my sites always have bee ultra clean using just one of this nasty things ;-)

[turlough]

INHO these movie player images produce no worse traffic than blind thumbnails. Face it, when a sufer click on a thumb and three new windows pop up, he knows he's been had. So he closes the windows as fast as he can.

If you really want to clean up traffic, no more blind thumbnails! Otherwise, I don't see your problem with fake movie players and download boxes.

I agree that javascript error boxes and system crash boxes probably produce even worse traffic and should not be used. But the "layers" on tinyvirgins.com seem fine to me. I would trade with this site http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[richard]

I have had layers on my site before, and used them well to my advantage.

Using hotspots, i made each part of the box a diff link, so i could see what was click how many times.

With a standard alertbox layer, saying something like "Enter Here for hot XXX member access for FREE!" only 1/3 of the surfers clicked OK, the rest clicked CANCEL or the X in the corner.

THESE SURFERS ARE EXPECTING THE BOXES TO DISAPEAR.

I dont think there is any problems with a site having layers, so long as they only make the OK button (in this EG) a link to their out script. Anything else should simply make the layer invisble again.

0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-

This is a prime example of people bending the rules.

If you want lots of 'Clicky' surfers, you need to get them from places where they feel secure. If you got surfers from say, Tommys-Bookmarks.com, where they know they are getting good galleries/sites with each click then you are sorted. ESPECIALLY if your site has NO popups. This brings me onto my second point; If you want to trade with sites like that, and other free sites who have clicky surfers who are not wary of lots of jerking, then you need to get rid of your enter popups.

THIS is not going to happen with every CJ site.

In a couple of weeks, when i will have the time, i will do shit loads of work on this theory, and see what will happen.

Itterating another posted point, its called traffic TRADING, you need to have your own fresh traffic, period.

in a couple of months time, i will be able to make freerotic.com a clean CJ site, with no enter pops, have the best productivity their is, and with that a base to get into the larger end of the traffic figures.

just food for thought.


Back to the layers things, those pics are not acceptable, they are the same as layers, infact, layers can be cleaner than some links people use.

Richard.

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