New Rules ???

[Jason]

Im gonna try to be open minded.
I guess im making this post hoping some of you guys will post something reassuring.

This is my big question about EMI/Mr B. New Rules.

I do see the rules being helpfull if everyone did it. But the fact of the matter is not everyone is with EMI or Mr.B
So basicly those sites get to use many more consoles and all the layers they want. Which is gonna beat the shit out of my "clean" site. I know things are outta control and im not saying we dont need any rules but when i send my 3 html pages up against a site with 6 im gonna get the short end of the stick.

Now some of you would say well dont trade with them. Well that doesnt solve anything because you still need traffic. And im not tring to be mean or rude but the fact of the matter is there are not very many big clean sites currently.

Currently i have the 2nd largest CJ site on ST. But after tomorrow night ill feel lucky to be in the top10.

Maybe some of you guys have different theorys of how this will pan out. But i dont see any good coming out of this personally.
So post your theorys and maybe they will make sense to me and i wont have to jump off a cliff by the end of the week cause my site has gone in the shitter http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Ok guys time for responses.....

[David]

I am also very concerned with these New Rules which Mr. B and EMI are
enforcing. I hope Mr. B can answer these questions and concerns. Many
CJ sites do not use Exit traffic to make there money. As a result those
sites will not have to comply by these rules. Now if those sites decide
to use 4 pages as the rules state ( which they do not have to just using
this as a example ) to link to the script instead of 3 "which we can
only use" right off the start they will have the competitive advantage.
The current sponcer which EMI and most Exit Traffic sponcers are using
has over 10 Exit Pages "Mr. B have you asked the sponcers to reduce
theeir exit chain also ?". If you have a Blur Page after that ,it will never be
seen. End result; that page will barley help you with your trades, so you
are only trading with 2 pages. So it would be much better for people
not to use Exit traffic as there advertising method if they intend to
compete with those who do not use exit traffic. I have also heard that
there are other Exit Sponcers which will not require such Strict Rules
and will work with there advertisers I really wish Mr. B would open his
eyes and understand that this is not cut and dry as he thinks it is.
The only thing that is going to result from these new rules is less less
traffic to all CJ sites and as a result less traffic to the Exit Sponcers.
Guide lines should be created. For example ,using System crash Errors
and Abusive consoles is wrong. But to go as far as making All CJ
Webmaster have all there sites exactly the same is not fair and not
possible. Remember ,these are CJ sites ,no bookmark traffic here, the only
way to channel the surfer from one site to another is by using Blind
Links and Consoles.
Mr B. and other exit sponcers please respond to the issues addressed here.

[MrBrian]

the rules are not the "emi/brian" rules

i've had many webmasters come to me and ask for these rules especially people like nickd
that runs a clean site. not everyone has to follow the rules. they are just there for the betterment of the cj circle. as you can see from the listing of people at the bottom of that page, many people have agreed to the rules.

i dont see why people would trade with a site with 5 consoles. he is sending you blind hits for your unique clicks...its makes zero sense. the rules are to improve productivity and in the end, money...brian

[Rimmer]

The idea actually was to have all major exit sponsors try to come some of uniform rules. So if you wanted to sell your exit then you had to have a reasonably clean site.

But it seems there has been a lot of bickering/points scoring going on now that one sponsor tried to make a positive move on it. http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif

[Juggler]

HI Jason,

I totally agree this may noy make a bit of difference overall but at the end of the day that is not that important. The main thing is somebody is doing something. In my mind the only one how stands to lose from this is MrBrian, At the moment I do not sell exit traffic to Brian but I have in th past and I intend on selling him traffic in the future.

But by putting these rules to his exit he opens himself to me saying bugger that I want 20 consoles on my site I am off to one of the other sponsors who will let me have them. So I lose nothing I am with a sponsor who allows me to have a non clean site.

So is MrBrian on a suicide trip (-: I do not think as I see it these are NOT MrBrian's rules these rules have come about because CJ Webmasters who are earning $$$ from CJ site would like to be earning $$$ a year from now and if the influx of crap is not stopped or at least kept in check there will be webmasters who are forced out.

The larger websites I.E. NickD will proberbly be able to survive anything that comes along he has the experince and the contacts. The Webmasters most at risk are people like me I run I run a medium size site. I am really fortunate that now I use UCJ-3 which is a great tool agianst crap traffic for unexperienced webmasters like me but still I am open to be taken down and forced out I really do not want to see that,

So what the hell, if anything, has my rabling got to do with this post well I am going to let you into a little secret these are not MrBrians rules they are MINE (-: The rules where made because of a need by the CJ community not some vision MrBrian had one night in his sleep They came out of the fact CJ traffic is crap and we are making it worse. This is not a solution to sorting out CJ site BUT it is a small step in the right direction. So do not look at it like a sponsor dictating how our sites are going to be this is the CJ community saying WE need to improve our sites if we are going to be here long term. IMHO MrBrian is just a spokesman for us all.

So juggler is 100% behind the new rules

Happy trading my your weekend be GOLD

[Dje]

Hi all,

now I feel the need to post something to help Brian out. I first want to thank Rimmer and Juggler for their attitude. They have understood exactly what was at stake. Right now, most of you should know that the idea of cleaning up CJ sites was not coming from sponsors themselves, even though they were needing it, they never enforced any rule in fear of loosing their customers to another broker. Brian is the first one to have the guts of enforcing the rules WE have decided would be helpfull to our community.
I really am sorry to see people telling that since there are other brokers out there that have no rules, they will lose an advantage on those who have more consoles. That may be right in the beginning, but you can be sure other sponsors will set the same rules one day or another, because they cannot go on and sell our crap to their clients forever. They must provide some quality.
Most of you also know that Freepicturesgallery.com never ever had more than 3 consoles (including the sponsor) and that we used a layer on a blur console only for a limited time, never more than that. It never took us from our position. But I can guarantee you one thing. We could simply decide to act like everyone and add three consoles and some layers all around right now, and I can assure you we would go through the roof. Certainly way over 300k. Why don't we? Because if we do, I can assure you that sponsors would set rules in no more than a week because they would see how crappy all the traffic they get is, and they would have no choice. So we could move from one broker to another for as long as they keep us, and in the end, all brokers would finally have set some rules of THEIR decision, and we would be forced to live by them. So why not making it right now and decide of the rules ourselves?
The reason we always had an advantage with freepicturesgallery.com is because we always brought more traffic in it by ourselves, by many ways. This is the only way you can get a bigger site without shitting on everyone else. Remember that circle jerking is in fact traffic trading, and to trade, you must have something in return. Anyways, I hope people see that Brian is doing the right thing and I hope that we will see the productivity of all our trades go up. When we'll see that, I am sure there will be a lot of benefits for us, and that payouts will go up again.
P.S.: I am quite surprised to see all the other brokers bashing on Brian for something they all agreed on, which is setting some rules. The only one I know who was against the idea was TheBigGuy, but I know that if he goes on and gets all the crappy traffic that is not accepted by other sponsors, he will set some rules as well because he'll have no choice if he wants to be able to pay.

Happy tradding,
Dje
Freepicturesgallery.com

[Jason]

Let me reiterate what i said.

I am NOT against these rules.
But the fact of the matter is not everyone is gonna comform to them. How do we handle it?

Im suggesting today that people who are gonna conform to contact me and i will set up very strong trades with possible perms.
And those who dont are simply gonna get perms lowered and ratio lowered.
Basicly the larger sites need to pressure the sites that dont wish to conform. Its the only way this will truly work.

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[richard]

It will work.

There are alot of sites that use Brian or EMI as their exit sponsors, and many of these sites are of considerable size.

Smaller sites, or big sites not involved with Brian will not want to risk losing trades because they have one too many consoles. They will conform to the rules, even though their sponsors dont require it.

Many webmasters want to clean up CJ, and this is a good excuse for them to do so. There will be those who want to try and get the upperhand and have an extra console or layer, will become the new 'cheats' of this era.

Does any exit traffic sponsor require that we cannot have full window consoles, or that we cannot img src other cj sites, or that they cannot hot link pictures? NO. These rules will not need to be enforced by the sponsors, in time our self-regulating community will adjust and we will take it for granted that you dont have more than one console, or that you dont use layers.

Respect going out to Brian, and everyone else who is supporting this movement.

Freerotic.com and freehornysluts.com will be inline with the people using Brians program this weekend.

DUE: How about making the clean-list rules more strict than Brian's rules? the way things are going, anyone on Brians program fits into the cleanlist. The clean list needs to be more exclusive, perhaps not straight away, but in the next few weeks i think you should look further into it. If everyone is on the cleanlist, then having the cleanlist is pointless.

I wish everyone the best of luck with the new system, and hope that we can together make this work.

Richard.

[Dje]

Well said Richard.

I am happy to see you will follow the rules as well even though you are not with EMI. I just hope it will show the example.

BTW, don't forget guys, EMI new rules are effective as today, so change your web site if you do not want to get a warning http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Last post for today,

Dje

[David]

Brian you still have not answered my question. It seems you just think because NickD asked to have new rules and he is the biggest CJ site that that is the right thing to do. NickD himself has so many sites with a lot of traffic that link to him which have a bunch of consoles he is not going to delete there accounts after tomorrow. Most the Big CJ sites are even linking to Child Porn sites like this <http://www.sex-dream.com/join.html> which Your Sponcers Clearly do not want this traffic and that is in there rules. This is worse than linking with people with one or two more pop ups than your Rules allow. I can name at least A LOT of CJ sites which do not use Exit traffic that stand to have Huge Gains with these new rules. You still do not understand that it will be IMPOSSIBLE to compete with sites that do not have there exit page Hidden behind over 10 popups which the sponcer has.
There were several questions I asked in my post above which I Wish you, EMI or some of the other sponcers would reply to.
Namely if you have
1) What if a site decide to use 4 pages as the rules state ( which they do not have to just using this as a example ) to link to the script instead of 3 "which we can
only use" right off the start they will have the competitive advantage. Brian how the heck do you compete with that if you are selling Exit traffic???? They are not breaking the rules the just have more consoles with Banners or other advertising In the Place of Exit Sponcers consoles. They are not Breaking the Rules.
2) Have you asked the sponcers to reduce their exit chain also ?
3) Why not make fair rules for things such as using Abusive consoles and Layers?

[chimp]

I'm just curious as to why people aren't concerned about the number of consoles their exit traffic sponsors are launching on exit. Doesn't the fact that a surfer is getting blasted with 10 consoles when he leaves your site may have something to do with lowering your productivity with your trades?

Just a thought...

Exit traffic sponsors are pratically a necessity for all CJ site owners, and I understand they need to make money from shitty traffic like anyone else, so they do what they have to...but it makes my point no less valid.

Also, MrB...I have a question you might be able to answer. When I was using EMI 6-7 months ago. I was getting a 75-80% count for my exit traffic. Last month it was down to about 40%. Why would this be? Other people I talk to have noticed the same thing.

thanks

[MrBrian]

not to insult anyone. but, i thought it was obvious that cleaning up the pages would allow emi, etc... to find better buyers with less consoles. this would benefit everyone.

comments about emi, myself, and acquiring midgetamputee sex.org should be sent via email to info@carolinais.com...i will not answer any questions on the board as most of it comes out as slander

i think rimmer has been overly tolerant letting this help board be turned into a mudsling. show him some respect

lastly, its sad people try to put me down when im trying to help everyone. if you notice all brokers use the same exit buyer. if that buyer decided not to buy anymore exit hits, you guys will be up shit creek.

thanks, brian

ps. hindsight is a bitch

[MrBrian]

as for chimp...i dont know who you are
if you had a problem with hits you should of
checked your j-s or talked to your account rep. thanks, brian

[Rimmer]

Chimp .. your exit traffic count would be down for the following reason.

People are pulling more stunts to send traffic which involves poorer traffic to be sent. (i.e. layer close button) Which means less of the surfers are actually visiting the site they're sent to but are in fact closing the windows / console chains immediately.

And this is a vicious circle because you are getting less traffic you also have to pull these stunts which in turn pushes a lot more traffic where the surfer doesn't click also.

That is the reason less peoples exit traffic is being counted as the fake hits you've traded don't allow the exit console to load. Nobody who has come to your site because they hit a fake video play button is going to want to wait for 10 windows to load. They'll just get into a closing frenzy.

[chimp]

Rimmer-

I see your point, but this is implying that someone coming to my site from any other kind of link WOULD want to wait for 10 consoles to load. I seriously doubt that any surfer is going to wait for that to happen, regardless of how they are sent. I'm guessing that surfers quick fingers ARE to blame mostly for the lower count, but was just curious if there was some other possible answer. Apparently not.

[Killah]

It's incredible, but always when I'm reading Brians posts I feel like Jesus is back on earth...

[MrBrian]

i would prefer a reference to elvis http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Rimmer]

No .. not at all ... but what is happening is a lot more surfers getting pushed to your site definitely didn't mean to get there at all. i.e. fake javascript errors etc ... they'll inflate your ST stats but that's only because they weren't quite quick enough to close the window. These people will never let the consoles open as they're already in that closing frenzy.

So your ST stats are the same but your real traffic is a lot less. So it'll appear that the count on your exit sponsor is going down.