Due - Traffic Redirection in BIG ways...

[Killah]

I noticed yesterday that 2 of my CJ sites, which use TrafficTrade are totally down, no hits comming in, no hits going out.
The reason is the following:
Due closed down every account of Traffic Trade that was not paid yet. Now I'm wondering the following:

1. Why did I get no email and no ICQ message before he closed these accounts ?
2. Why does all my fu..in traffic get redirected his HIS OWN cj-site ???
3. Why does he close my 2 accounts if we have an advertisement deal that makes me the owner of these 2 licenses ?

He receives now about 15k fresh TGP traffic from my galleries + the traffic of my trades, which I had to close down to save the traffic of the other sites.

OK, I messaged Due about this (about 7673647 times). No answer, nothing. So I asked Lasse, his programmer of TrafficTrade. Lasse did also get no replies in the last days.

Due is away, took my traffic and the traffic from all other unpaid customers and I get no response.
Lasse isn't paid yet for his work also...
I always liked Due, he is a nice guy and I always enjoyed business with him. Thats why I waited 48 hours for his replies to get an explanation for this.

Nothing...

If somebody has seen him arround or knows what he is doing atm, keep me informed, I would like to clear this with him and to get some answers.

Thanks,

Killah
The@Killah.com
ICQ:64987648
Cyclejerk.com
Sellyourexit.com

[Juggler]

Due did post a notice about this
http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000383.html

I must admit I personally thought it was well out of order redircting the traffic and not giving notice he was going to do this it is not only the webmasters who where running traffic trade sites that lose out but anyone trading with them any traffic sent to these sites will not be returned I would of expected at least 3 days notice of something like this to give webmasters a chance to stop trades or arrange alternatives I am just glad I never got traffic trade I was thinking of getting it for some free sites that I do not have cgi access but bugger that I will stick with my new bets friend UCJ-3

Happy Trading

[Dan]

I really don't understand why ppl pay for something they don't have control over. Building a CJ site using Traffic Trade is the same thing as building a site under something.freehost.com, once you get big, they close the account & keep the traffic for themselves

Money is driving (almost) everybody's actions in this business, don't forget this. At least, when you pay for a script that is installed on your server, if the guy disappears, you still have something.

Regards
Dan http://www.pornography4all.com - now clean

[Due]

The reason all sites that did not pay for this service yet was closed down was because it bugged down the server.
I talk to sextracker in the middle of the night after I got home from a disco and they tolled me to close something down because I used too much CPU.
So we decided to close down all the sites that did not pay for this service. Not that I liked it.
We are currently working on some improvements on the script so people can get it installed on their OWN server.
It was either:
Close down sites that did not pay for it yet
Or
Close everything down, all my sites, traffictrade etc.
Sorry Dudes :-(
/Due
ICQ ~ 7694991

[Killah]

Due, why can't you reply to my messages or talk to me on ICQ ?
I don't want this to be on the board. As you remember we have a deal for advertisement. And you NEVER EVER told me something about paying you additionally for my 2 licenses.
So why do you stick me with the guys that have not paid you ? I don't get this !!!
And why do you redirect the traffic to your own page ?
Dan backed me up with Blind-IO yesterday and I really appreciate this. I told him what you did with my stuff and he installed the new script right away.
Please contact me via ICQ, so we can talk about this.

Killah
The@Killah.com
ICQ:64987648
Cyclejerk.com
Sellyourexit.com

[Rimmer]

So basicly all the claims of mega performance of this MySQL/PHP traffic trade script was a load of bullshit. These 31 sites certainly didn't get up to the 2 million hits per day each this script could handle according to those outlandish claims. That's 65 k a day each which we all know none of the traffic trade sites ever did that much traffic.

[richard]

I was waiting for that one Tim.

http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Richard.

[iridium]

When you offer such a "service" on a virtual account, I guess you are asking for trouble...

I would thing at this price point you could at least afford a dedicated server?

[Ron]

Now here is a topic i can relate to, i also had my account removed. I could not pay right away, I am not shy to admit. BUT!!! i did talk to the programmer, him and myself worked out that payment would be at his door step by April 1st. But in order to pay them i had to use their script to trade my traffic.

Now i have no script to trade with, so i can't pay them! No problem to me, except for the fact that i am dead in the water, and am now looking for a new use for my domain.

I might talk to Tim, see if i can get UCJ (once i have $$ http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

I had no notice as well, all of a sudden it just stopped counting hits.

There were alot of accounts with Due, and to be honest i do think he was tracking more hits than he could handle. I myself was getting about 5-10k/day when he closed my account. Some notice would have been nice. At least so i could notify my trades and so on.

Not much we can do now though http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[Due]

Ron>
Yes we had too much traffic going through the site for the CPU to handle.
That is why every account that did not pay for the service was closed down.
We are working on something so people can get the script installed on their servers then there should not be any problems.
Right now the only thing I know was either close down all the accounts that did not even made the first paynment yet or close EVERYTHING down
About Killah's accounts that was closed. That was a HUUUUUGE mistake and I'm working out some kind of deal with Killah to make it up again
/Due
ICQ ~ 7694991

[Ron]

Due> Yeah i understand, i mean it's nuthing new to me, to have some thing go wrong with my site. So i am not too pissed about it. A little more notice would have been cool though!

About the pay structure, what are you going to charge now that the scripts will be installed on each person's server? $900 or $250/month for 4 months?

[Smitty]

This is the last thing that needs to be said:

It was your choice to use such a lame service as traffictrade. People who make lame choices usually suffer the consiquences.

Jeff Smith
smitty@rof.net
UIN: 7127736
My Scorpion Powered Sites: http://www.tinyvirgins.com http://www.dreamchicks.com http://www.youngteenies.com http://www.amaturex.com http://www.vaginapic.com http://www.girlysexpics.com http://www.virginteenpics.com

[Rimmer]

How could anyone pay so much money for a script that gets shut down by Sextracker when it only does a fraction of the traffic through it that it promises?

Traffic Trade Quote "But when you want to trade with 100 of sites with 1.000.000+ hits pr. day"

As if Traffic Trade would ever be able to push that much through it. It was shut down by ST without anywhere that much traffic through it. If you run an inefficient script you'll get shut down by your host if you ever start getting a decent amount of traffic. Just as Due did after only a couple of days at Sextracker.

BUYER BEWARE!

[Killah]

I have to hold here something up for Due and Lasse. I worked with Traffic Trade for 2 months and it is compared to most of the other scripts a GOOD script. It has much more features than Scorpion does, even if it can't be compared with Blind-IO.
I also worried about the hosting part of it as Lasse was writing it. This was a BIG mistake by them.
But I don't see why Traffic Trade should be kicked to hell.
Even if I lost all my damn traffic due to this crap, I will never say that TT is a bad script. If Due will change the hosting part of it and sends out a bit more than just a "sorry" to the webpages he killed, then he will be back in some weeks and TT can continue it's work.
It's easy to kick on somebody is is deep at the ground. I could do the same because I am one of the victims, but let's make a line under all and let Due try to recover his stuff.

Peace over all...

Killah
SellYourExit.com
CycleJerk.com

[Rimmer]

The performance claims were bullshit right from the start ... that's the point. You don't make outlandish claims about how your script performs and expect people to be happy when it doesn't even come close.

I even pointed out that there would be problems like these in earlier posts but Due kept insisting that his MySQL/PHP was the fastest fucking thing on earth.

When it came to the crunch it failed. And it wasn't at spectacular traffic levels either. I think I had more traffic going through my UCJ regular version on a single server than that. http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

There is a lot more to a script than just a pretty admin. Now that future version of traffic trade will be hosted on your own servers you'll have to wonder how much of a CPU drain it'll be!

And Killah what was your compensation package for your change in tune? http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[Ron]

I have to agree with Killah, I did enjoy the script! The hosting part wasn't a good idea, But i personally am looking forward to running it on my own server! A load less problems.

Right now, i have to sign up at UCJ sites manually, which is slower. If it was on my server it would be no problem. Plus new features that are comming soon will add so much more to it's proformance!

[Dan]

Yes TT is probably CPU consuming but using MySQL, when you know how, is a lot faster than using text files.

No wonder why big sites like Yahoo are using Oracle (another database server as MySQL) and not text files...

Regards
Dan

[Rimmer]

There are faster ways than using mySQL for traffic trading ... SQL is great and has its place in many applications. On larger databases its definitely the optimal way to do things. I'm now actually using it on my paysite for site management features I've scripted.

However on a smaller scale such as traffic trading mySQL isn't the fastest solution. The size of the databases in traffic trading are miniscule compared to the implementations such as which yahoo etc use.

My test site currently pushes just 120 000 impressions a day through the script and the engine of the script causes almost no server load. RJ at one point had 200 000 running through the script. This still isn't freepictures level of traffic but its reasonable stress testing.

I'm sure there are ways to maximise performance gains out of mySQL and I'm sure BlindIO pushes that to the limit and achieves very fast performance. But TT certainly hasn't done that if they've been kicked out by Sextracker Hosting after only a day or so.

[Dan]

I think we could speak about that for a long time, nobody will ever know who's right. The most important is that ppl using our scripts are happy, which is obviously not the case for those who have been dropped off TT.

Anyway I think cpu usage isn't a big concern for a lot of webmasters because a good number bought Scorpion http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

Regards
Dan

[Due]

The feaature versions of TrafficTrade WILL be hostet on the users servers.
The problem was not the script could not handle the traffic. the problem was that I was running it from a virtual account on sextracker and then I used too much CPU.
At the moment no versions will be sold to anyone.
Currently I'm looking into the options of getting it rewrote in C. But it was a BIG mistake of me to try and run it from a virtual account and if I could I would do it over and make sure that people have got the installs on their own server or stopped selling the script after I lost my dedicated.
I'm currently negotiating with GTS about getting 1 or more dedicated servers connected to their EU backbone net.
What I do know now is that no sites that have payed for the service will be closed and no new versions will be sold it the meantime
/Due
ICQ ~ 7694991

[bikiniman]

MySQL and PHP4 will be very fast. I am coming out with my script soon called Panther. It will be database driven and I will make sure it will be better than all other scripts out there. It will be easier, better looking, faster, and less expesive than the other scripts. If you need to reach me for more info my ICQ # 48465297

[Bad Boy]

Talk about a bitch, I just got into CJ business with my new site www.ultimate69.com (http://www.ultimate69.com) which is like useless now and just sitting there when Due fucked me over. I had the money to make payment and was going to pay Lasse April 1, so I invested much time in the site and the whole thing with TT, building my site up, I mean what my site wasnt even a week old and I was getting 18k occasionally, and just as I about to hit like a 20k mark, all the traffic got redirected to fucken Due's site, I mean if u couldnt track the freaken hits or whatever shut the links off and not redirect them to ur freakin site. Anyways it really sux when u get into something and get burned like this, so I'll have to get a script for like under $400 now, which I know isnt possible, but since I have no income now, I'm prett much at a stand-still, so if any of you guys could give me some advice with the scripts or help me out that would be much appreciated.

-Bad Boy.
One.

[Rimmer]

You're right there Dan http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[Ride]

Bad Boy,

Not to talk any shit, but you are putting Due down but you said you didn't pay for the script so why doesn't it matter what he did with HIS script. Also CJ relys on people bringing in fresh traffic. You send me traffic and I send you traffic. Obviously if you can't afford a script you don't have any other sites that are bringing you income. Which means you have no traffic to trade. So what I think you should do (which most of us all already did) is build a bunch of free sites trade links with other free sites and make some money. Don't just jump into the CJ circle and take other peoples traffic that they have worked for. If you need more help with building freesites. Check out netpond.com there is a lot of resources there. Just my feedback on this matter.

Ride
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[Bad Boy]

Your the one who's talking shit, as I said in my previous msg I had the money and ready to pay Lasse for the first installment on April 1st AS LASSE REQUESTED AND WHICH WE AGREED UPON.

One.

-Bad Boy.

[Ride]

I guess you didn't read my message. The first line stated "Not talking shit..." mean that I wasn't talking shit. So maybe you should try to read the post before replying. Thanks.

Ride
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