Bad Sponsor Alert- SMUTCASH

[MelissaD]

*******BAD SPONSOR ALERT***********

SMUTCASH they don't reply to e-mails, and they have decided that they don't have to pay brokers.

Has anybody gotten a check from them?? Don't plan on it.

I don't ever go to the boards and speak bad about anybody. But this time its out of control they have screwed my clients and me.

DON'T DO BUSINESS WITH THESE GUYS THEY WILL SCREW YOU EVERY CHANCE THEY GET!!!

*************BAD SPONSOR ALERT***********

[TSmutcash]

Mellisa,
Today is the first day that I even know who you are. Never have I received any emails from you. Tell the board about how I called you and tried to talk to you about your problem. But you will not listen.

You need a refferal fee, ok no problem. But this would work out better if you would talk with me first.
You assumed that since we have refferal info on our sign up page we pay all refferals.

Also, im looking at your webpage and I dont see anything about refferal fee %'s

Usually brokers call me first and we discuss there traffic. This works good.

Tyler
smutcash.com

[MelissaD]

Tyler then you better keep a better leash on your dog Klient

[TSmutcash]

Mellisa, on your website, show me your industry standard for refferal fee's ??

[MelissaD]

Sure Tyler let me just send you hundreds of sign ups for free. My pleasure. AS IF!!

Industry standard for brokered traffic is 10%

have a look at www.streetbucks.com (http://www.streetbucks.com) and badpuppy.com

Hell even CEN is paying 5%

Next time you might want to at least kiss some one before you bend them over. Might get you further but I doubt it.

[TSmutcash]

Ya mellisa, maybe you should contact the owner of the website, who cuts the checks, before you asume anything.

This usually takes out all the confusion

[pooky]

Ive brokered traffic in the past with SC and they treated me fairly and I got paid.

[MelissaD]

Then maybe you shouldn't have Klient doing your deals for you.

[blind]

As if!!!

[toker]

What a fuckin joke!!

While you at it Mellissa call me to and send me a pic so i can prepare for your call. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

What no money to pay the bill since Smutcash aint pay you?

How dare you create such hell for me Smutcash you just cost me what could have been well a good thing..Dam you Smutcash!!

Aint it funny how so many sponsors blame the webmaster for all their problems like the one another said about sending them an invoice for how much they owe you. Yea buddy that might happen and ill be sure to send and invoice to you for $10,000 tomorrow after i signup.

Its always the webmasters fault always well as genuine says "it wasnt me". Now pay the woman her money and dont beat around the bush!!

[MelissaD]

Its about doing what's right Tyler/Klient vs. making excuses.

Obviously this is beyond your grasp (doing the right thing)

[richard]

seeing a lot of bad press about Smutcash, looks like one to be steering clear of imho.

Did you guys know they also own VipDialer.com?

hmn.

[TSmutcash]

Melissa,
What is your fucking problem ??

I pay all webmasters, I dont pay people who come out of the blue and want there cut.

I have no clue who you are until yesterday.

I told you that if you can produce some sort of email agreement between either myself or klient then I will honor that agreement.

You have not produced anything at all.

use this email tyler@smutcash.com

This email works, I have not gotten any emails from you.

[Palleib]

Funny Tyler then youre then only one in your company that answers emails http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Sorry got an answer from one of your staff were I was accuesed of cheating when I asked a question http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif

So webmasters beware before you signup

[MelissaD]

Tyler I have sent the e-mails several of them and haven't recieved any response

You are the one with the problem. You choose not to do the right thing. That is your decision. I have nothing to prove.
You know you are wrong, you know the deal I've sent the e-mails you choose to ignore them or claim ignorance over and over again.

Keep going on and on, the point is you choose to do the wrong thing. What comes around goes around.

[TSmutcash]

Could someone at the board please send me a test email to

tyler@smutcash.com

I have received alot of emails today, but none from this melissa lady.

Melissa, we are trying to work this out. But you must communicate with us. I have sent you emails today, respond back. That email works..

[Sponsorwatch]

uhhhmmm... Tyler, if you have a email addy that you know works, why ask someone to test the other addy ? you should be cabable of sending yourself a test email then http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

-Santa
www.sponsorwatch.net (http://www.sponsorwatch.net)

[MelissaD]

Interesting Tyler you know all the questions that I've asked in my e-mails but you haven't gotten any of them? MMMMM

Look I'm tired of your excuses, you plainly said you had no intention of paying me. I"m just on the boards making sure everyone knows how you do business. I feel that its my responsiblitiy to share my successes and failures. I haven't seen once where you have offered a solution. Am I wrong?

[pooky]

man....this is sure getting ugly....i think it might be best this thread be closed before some real shit hits the fan eheheh

unless Mel decides to make a new thread ... hee hee

[MelissaD]

Pooky I'm happy to start a new happier thread, make a sugguestion?

I'm tired of listening to Tyler's excuses.

[pooky]

How about a thread like this for you?

"Why it sucks to deal with SC" http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[MelissaD]

How about - the top 10 sponsors to deal with and the bottom 10 sponsors.

What does anybody know about WoWCash.com ?

[MelissaD]

Play In The Dirt

One day a farmer's donkey fell down into a well. The animal cried piteously for hours as the farmer tried to figure out what to do. Finally he decided the animal was old and the well needed to be covered up anyway, it just wasn't worth it to retrieve the donkey. So he invited all his neighbors to come over and help him. They all grabbed a shovel and began to shovel dirt into the well.

At first, the donkey realized what was happening and cried horribly. Then, to everyone's amazement, he quieted down. A few shovel loads later, the farmer finally looked down the well and was astonished at what he saw.

With every shovel of dirt that hit his back, the donkey was doing something amazing. He would shake it off and take a step up. As the farmer's neighbors continued to shovel dirt on top of the animal, he would shake it off and take a step up. Pretty soon, everyone was amazed as the donkey stepped up over the edge of the well and trotted off.

Moral: Life is going to shovel dirt on you, all kinds of dirt. The trick to getting out of the well is to shake it off and take a step up. Each of our troubles is a stepping stone. We can get out of the deepest wells just by not giving up! Shake it off and take a step up!

Remember the six simple rules to be happy:

1. Free your heart from hatred.

2. Free your mind from worries.

3. Live simply.

4. Give more.

5. Expect less

6. Play in the dirt often

[TSmutcash]

Melissa, Please explain this icq log to me ?
This is the log you just sent me for the fist time to my email.

Klient 7/30/01 7:06 PM yes, done http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif
Klient 7/30/01 7:06 PM every month
wire
$45 per signup
Surfer 7/30/01 7:16 PM coolness and my stats
Klient 7/30/01 7:16 PM no clue http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif
u have 5 signups
or some shit
Klient 7/30/01 7:16 PM i dont get how you r setup
in regards to refferals?
Klient 7/30/01 7:16 PM r u getting paid per refferal?
Surfer 7/30/01 7:20 PM i should be
Klient 7/30/01 7:20 PM how much?
Surfer 7/30/01 7:22 PM you tell me you set up the deal - usually I
get 10% or $5 per sign up
Klient 7/30/01 7:23 PM we never discussed a refferal amount did we?
Surfer 7/30/01 7:24 PM not really
Klient 7/30/01 7:24 PM exactly http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif
Klient 7/30/01 7:25 PM i thought our deal was just giving your
clients $45 per signup?

Take note on these 2 lines

Klient 7/30/01 7:23 PM we never discussed a refferal amount did we?
Surfer 7/30/01 7:24 PM not really

[TSmutcash]

Surfer is Melissa

[TSmutcash]

So now she comes to me and says that I dont pay. Hmm, I pay everyone, I just dont pay people who demand money for nothing.

[MelissaD]

Nothing? Show the stats for the webmasters I've sent you tyler? would you like all of their id #?

How many sign's did that make? Gee none of them have recieved a check yet. mmmmmmm

[MelissaD]

Note that you didn't post all of the conversions, and you forgot the phone conversations and the only thing that wasn't worked out whas if it was $5 per or 10% recurring.

[TSmutcash]

You sent one client, they started sending sales on the 20th of this month.

They need to wait until the month is over and get paid like all the rest of the webmasters.

Read your own log,, it says it in there.
You never discussed your %'s

[TSmutcash]

Dont worry your clients will get paid. You set up the deal..

[mr man]

They own vipdialer too? And snow tells everyone he is the owner, what a joker. Great set of people you got working for you man, don't blame you for not answering emails with those clowns on your team

[MelissaD]

But Tyler I do worry. You've already proven how you do business, by fucking me what says you aren't going to fuck my clients. You haven't answered any of my e-mails or provide any of the stats I've requested. So until I see a wire confirmation # and stats I will have to assume you are going to fuck over my clients.

[TSmutcash]

No problem, Im waiting for your clients to email me a confirmation that its ok to relase
there data to you.

[MelissaD]

Didn't know # of webmasters and # of sign ups was that big of a deal, gee wonder if ibill or ccbill has to do the same thing when you log into their system to look at the stats...

Sounds like an excuse but then you are full of those Tyler.

[pooky]

Will you two shut the fuck up LOL...this thread is getting heavier by the day...get a room will ya

http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[boneprone]

looks like it is all resolved.
You can see it at the gfy board.

All it took was a simple can of Almond Rocca.

[MelissaD]

Hey everyone, hope you had a good weekend.

Just wanted to let everyone know that my issues with Tyler and Smutcash have finally been resolved, with cooperation from everyone involved, including several neutral parties. A big special thanks to Lensman who took the time to help to resolve things.

Tyler and his SmutCash Crew and I have agreed to go our separate ways. I wish them the best in their next venture.

[HeLiS]

hmmmm..didnt we go thru all this on netpond a few weeks ago or is this some kind of delayed playback because i am confused

[MelissaD]

N0 just posting an update on the situation that it has been resolved.

[magnatique]

yep, lemme close the thread, case closed!