CC bill :(

[Doctor Dre]

NOTE TO PARTNERS: Your account will become inactive if you have not referred a sale in the last 90 days.


Damn for the ones that ran sites for 3-4 years and get recurring it's very bad

[Dawgy]

so if someone signs up under a ccbill link on one of my old galleries that i havent sent a signup in 3 months, i dont get the credit? that kinda makes all those old pages i have up with old sponsors worthless, altho they could possibly make signups...

and yeah... recurring??

[mr. mpg]

Hey Dre,
Did you get that info from an e-mail from a site sponsered by ccbill? Or from Ccbill directly? Please clarify!

[TwinTone]

You have to be shitting me!! I make about $500.00 a month from old signup's.. I don't use ccbill at all anymore.. so I will be losing the $500 month?

That is not cool..

[*Kimmykim*]

NO
NO
NO

What was done was this.

Partner accounts that hadn't generated a sale in 90 days were archived -- not dumped, for starters.

No sales would have been affected by any of this either. Sales would have gone in and people would have been paid. Stats wouldn't have been active for those accts without sales in 90 days or more though.

HOWEVER ------

I think like you guys do, for the most part, build em and forget em -- so a site that I made 6 months ago which had already been on Tommys, AL4A, whatever is still there I'm just not actively promoting it --

and before anyone had a chance to complain we had already discussed the logistics of it. And decided that the initial idea wouldn't work. But we are still left with the problem of clearing out the deadwood, and I fully support that.

We are throwing around some other ideas til the end of the week -- you can understand that unused accounts and extra data make everything run slower -- any ideas, email me -- kim@ccbill.com -- otherwise you get what I pick LOL http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

NEXT THING --- this did not have anything to do with site owners, it was ONLY partner accts. Period.

So comments are welcome, don't wait two weeks, this is your chance to get what you want http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[freap]

i had three sponsers dumped,and six more that will be dumped, because i'm going to dump them today, this is bullshit

[*Kimmykim*]

well freap, dump them if you want. that doesnt take you out of our db and you'll still get paid for those errant sales that happen to come in.

unless of course you know where every single link you've ever had goes http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[shane]

this is what happens when you click and expired link
http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=904417&PA=41469

[battuss]

http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/eek.gif

[RockDaddy]

Shane,

I tried to follow the link you posted. That really sucks!

Future email to perspective sponsors.

Dear Paysite Owner,
I would like to join your webmasters program, if only you can provide an alternative in credit card billing companies, as the one you use terminates the account after a determined period of sales inactivity. This results in lost sales for you as well as myself.


RD

Suggestions. Rather than getting "What I pick"

1. Bigger hard drives
2. More hard drives
3. Faster hard drives

[shunga]

Make a script that emails someone if their account hasn't generated a HIT in a given period, and if they don't respond within a set time, then close the account. I think that would be preferable.

[*Kimmykim*]

I'm working on it guys

[Cyber-Fantasy]

all the deadwood slows things down.....


shit i could give a fuck how slow everything as long as I get every penny that is earned for me


if you ask me ...its a stupid decision

steals from affilaite
steals from site owner
and steals from ccbill

there is no logic in this

CCBill....Just upgrade your systems!

[Cyber-Fantasy]

btw it also tarnishes the sponser

by making it look like their site is 404

[*Kimmykim*]

The partner link above has not had a single sale in more than a year, yes a year.

Of course a few people have to find something to bitch about, thats fine by me, of course when I see these emails rolling into my Inbox (not) then I fix things for people that are possibly broken.

So Cyber Fantasy, if you've got an acct that needs to be looked at, where's the mail from you?

Otherwise I guess I'll leave you to your regularly scheduled bitching.

[T&T]

How about you get a decent tech set you up with a archive database? Standard stuff really, the basic idea being that you setup a secondary SQL table that is identical in structure to the live table, then once daily, weekly or whatever run a script by cron that moves accounts with 90 days inactivity to the secondary database. After that it's a simple task to modify your tracking/stats script to a) if the acc is not found, check the secondary table... and if it is there, call a subfunction to get it moved into the main table again since it's active again...

I.e. put the deadwood in the garage where there is plenty of cheap storage space and it's easy to find if you need it... don't throw it away http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[shunga]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by T&T:
I.e. put the deadwood in the garage where there is plenty of cheap storage space and it's easy to find if you need it... don't throw it away http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif</font>

I think you might be delaying the inevitable. You have to dump inactive accounts sometime, you just have to decide how you define an inactive account. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[*Kimmykim*]

They are working on doing something along those lines -- I don't know exactly what -- probably take a couple days, we've got alot of stuff going on right now --

[Cyber-Fantasy]

If never had a problem with you kimmy

but you tread so lightly when you deal with other peoples accounts and earnings

seems disappointing that you feel you should not do a transaction with someone cause they have not had a transaction in 91 days


do I have any accounts? shit i dont know...id have to go back through 20000 pages to see....would felt more comfortable if atleast I was getting assured of getting acreditted for any traffic i sent


if the traffic ever made through ccbills 404ish page


no beef kimmy...just sounds like bad business

[thrillseekre]

thanks fellas for the heads up on the ccbill scam
they've added some new features in the past year...maybe a new mgt...but i'ts still understood why only steadily hacked sites go wtih them

[*Kimmykim*]

OK, I'm going to say this one more time and then perhaps it will all be crystal clear???

We are going to do something with accts that haven't produced in X amount of time, move them out of the immediate system.

What we did initially was not a good idea (to me personally or to many of you) and most all of it's been undone already. This was a request between accounting and programming and I don't think the logistics were all considered, not because they wanted to cost anyone a single sale, but because accountants don't think like webmasters.

Under no circumstances would I ever support any part of our system that potentially would exclude even 1 valid sale.

However, as I started with, we are going to do something -- I agree with getting rid of the deadwood per se, and it's not a matter of upgrading our system or speeding it up -- there are somewhere in the neighborhood of 100,000 partner records in there, perhaps even more now, and the fact that a large percentage of them aren't being used means that in order to be more efficient the system needs to access the valid accounts.

I've asked you guys for input -- what you'd like to see done -- I should have also asked you how long you think we should allow all these unused accts to sit there, so feel free to answer --

The only beef I would have with you C-F is the fact that even after I said most everything above over several posts, it seems that you either refuse to understand or don't understand -- I hope neither of which is the case --

We all have opinions by all means express them, even if they are negative towards CCBill -- just understand what I'm saying please --

[Sticks]

I am really pissed off with what has happened. Sites I actively promote, e.g. sweetloads ( http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=900243&PA=75622 ) now go to that error page. It is totally wrong what ccbill has done. If I am sending traffic to a site, I expect to be credited for it. Sometimes it takes a few months to build up traffic to a new program where one can get some regular sales - this new policy of ccbill mucks that up. I split my traffic with about 20 ccbill sponsors and actively promote 75% of them http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif My weekly CCBILL traffic reported has dropped from about 5-6000 to just 2944. I now know where all that traffic has gone. Conversions haven't been that great, but I generally get about $50 a week ( used to be much higher ). It has dropped to $25 the past week. Despite the poor conversions I have stuck with ccbill because they have paid regularly, they were reliable and I liked the idea of getting the one cheque for several sponors.

Kimmy - some months ago I have contacted you a number of times in an attempt to have some of my inactive accounts deleted because they were cluttering up my stats. You indicated to me that I would need to contact the sponsor to have that done. Not one sponsor deleted or suspended my account in response to my request. CCBILL's new policy is not the way to go about clearing up the database. I want my accounts reactivated and have the ability to delete the accounts I don't want.

[*Kimmykim*]

And your email to me about this got lost I suppose sticks...

Read my posts, I'm not going to keep repeating myself.

[Sticks]

Kimmy, thank you for reactivating the deactived accounts. In response to the email question, you sent a reply:

Subject:
Re: ccbill questions
Date:
Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:32:23 -0700
From:
"Kim Stuart -- CCBill" &lt;kim@ccbill.com&gt;
To:
"Scott Porter" &lt;scottpo@ozemail.com.au&gt;
CC:
&lt;jbooth@ccbill.com&gt;
References:
1


am checking on this, sorry it took so long to reply but the mail came into
my home pc and i couldnt get it to reply

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Porter" &lt;scottpo@ozemail.com.au&gt;
To: &lt;kim@ccbill.com&gt;
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 6:15 PM
Subject: ccbill questions


&gt; G'Day Kim,
&gt; I post as Sticks at Porncity. I have a few questions regarding ccbill.
&gt; My main ccbill webmaster id is 15373. Questions:
&gt; i. I like the idea of the site report,
&gt; http://refer.ccbill.com/partner_site_reports1.php3 . However, even when
&gt; doing a report for just one day it times out after about 5 minutes and I
&gt; only get the first two accounts i.e. 15373 and 18691.
&gt; ii. I wish to remove two of my accounts 20604 ( sicpics ) and 30457
&gt; (themembersarea.com) as they are associated with scat and beastiality
&gt; respectively. Sicpics probably always had scat, however the original
&gt; emphasis was on weird stuff like midgets, object insertion etc.
&gt; themembersarea.com , thats the name I recall the program being called,
&gt; now just seems to be beastiality i.e. beastlove.com - I though they had
&gt; a hardcore site. Can you remove these two accounts?
&gt; iii. When sending out cheques, how about a breakdown of amounts from
&gt; which webmaster id? Presently they are all lumped under my first account
&gt; 15373. Of course I could sign up without electing to use an existing
&gt; webmaster id, however that is not convenient.
&gt; v. I am looking at getting more ccbill sponsors for specific niches
&gt; e.g. mature, anime, toons, black, latina. Can you suggest any? Do you
&gt; have a list posted somewhere of the sponsors that use ccbill?
&gt;
&gt; Thanks
&gt; Scott Porter
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;

-------------------

You sent another email to me 18th February, 2001 in response to a follow up I had sent you. I do have copies if you require them.

Your previous posts don't provide an answer to a one request I had, that is, I would like to be able to delete some of my linked accounts - it would help both of us. These are the accounts I want removed/archived/deactivated/whatever:
Sicpics 20604
Busty Amateurs 28701
Members Area 30457
Pinkwinkers 64416
TotalSex 74445
Latin Orgy 76420
Girls of Canada 89424

It would be handy if a traffic partner could simply turn off their own account, though I suppose this poses a security risk.

Thanks.

[*Kimmykim*]

Actually sticks, I meant the email that you just sent me yesterday or today about this.

Not that old one, that I did indeed answer --

[toker]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by thrillseekre:
thanks fellas for the heads up on the ccbill scam
they've added some new features in the past year...maybe a new mgt...but i'ts still understood why only steadily hacked sites go wtih them</font>

Well this does not sound like a scam to me and the hacking shit is something everyone has to deal with. Their system happens to be a little better guarded then some and i tell you that from experiance with security.

CCBill and iBill happen to both be crackers worst enemys and most times the only way free passes are leeched is those that have been carded illegaly not cracked into.

I think kimmy is showing that she does have a heart and is willing to give as much as she can on her part.

Free hosts delete inactive accounts after 30-90 days which could bring potential sales so why should ccbill not have the same rights?

Im tring myself to look at this from both sides of the field and if it were me id prob see by the same light as ccbill.

So i say nigga get y0 mind right!

[Jimbo]

well just replace "no signups in 90days" by "no single signups,recurring or rebills in 90days"

then everyone should be happy

Jimbo

[Cyber-Fantasy]

or 90 days the partner gets a email warning....

if no response in X amount of days

list as inactive


Im game for solutions.......

[*Kimmykim*]

--- rebills are sales guys -- if you have rebills coming thru the accounts then we wouldn't deactivate them, that is not at all a consideration here --

What it boils down to is that we need to take some steps to speed the system up -- I can't tell you how many people have accounts that have never done anything at all -- NOTHING, not a hit, not a sale, never even logged into stats (OK some of them are probably mine from when I was a webmaster, I had the tendency to sign up for something first and then decide if I wanted to build around it) -- so if you know what I mean then you know what we are trying to be rid of -- NOT accts that are working to make sales --

We're going to have to think it thru, have a couple of meetings (UGH!!!) and figure out what the best way to handle it is.

Which isn't the way we did it to start with, I've already admitted we made a mistake --

[shane]

deactivate accounts who havent sent in a hit for 3 months, and who have no rebilling customers

[RockDaddy]

I think that's the way to go. If no "hits" are sent in a certain period of time, deactivate it. As long as "hits" are coming in, there is always the chance for a signup. And make it contingent upon there being no rebilling customers. That is pretty much a dead account.

RD

[*Kimmykim*]

Rebillings were NEVER an issue ---

the hits thing is one of the things I'm contemplating, another is log in time -- as maniacal as we all our about our money I can't imagine someone not logging in to check stats (coupled with the fact that there are no sales or rebills) so that would be a fair indication of who's not using an account no?

[Sticks]

I'm not so sure about deactivating accounts where the webmaster hasn't logged in for a while. I have some sponsors that I never, or rarely, check my stats - I just bank the cheques and I trust the sponsor http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

The problem with deactivating accounts with no signups, is you might deactivate someone who is making a genuine effort to send traffic, but they had no signups. There could be many reasons for this - poor traffic/bad luck.

I like the idea based on traffic - that's a sign the webmaster is making some effort to direct traffic.

[*Kimmykim*]

Maybe I can work out a combination of the traffic/login thing -- sales or rebills automatically keep the account active so it's only the rest to think on --

I appreciate the input too guys http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[JewDoggyDogg]

How about just can the accounts that haven't sent in a click in the last 3 months.

[shane]

Most sponsors I never check my stats, just wait for the checks to arive..

[Paul]

I think if the site has had no click throughs for 90 days fair enough, but there are some which will get sales as their galleries go into the archives of tgps etc., which happens quite often.
Also Kimmy, my main ccbill account is busty amateurs, since they shafted us all, and are closing down for no reason, i really don't want that as my main account, it can't make any sales, but i have 5 other accounts linked to it. Can i change my main account to another program?

[JewDoggyDogg]

Does this concern the main account or individual accounts?

Also, I know this is offtopic, but how do I get my new accounts linked?

Thanks