dialer programs...

[Zyonic]

Which is the best?
Who pay?

[Namejs]

here are the best/biggest
www.sextraveler.com (http://www.sextraveler.com) www.dialhardcore.com (http://www.dialhardcore.com) www.dialerprogram.com (http://www.dialerprogram.com)

they pay all

[snow]

thats http://www.dialerprogram.com/index2.html

[Andy]

I personally do think that dialers are just a piece of shit and I hate 'em http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif but who cares ... Anyway they might be good for CJ but I wouldn't recommend them for a TGP or your visitors will hate you ...
I don't have big experiences with dialers but I've heard about http://www.dialup2.com
and pussyhigh or something I guess http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[kingping]

Most people don't care about if their visitors like them or not, that's why they are so damn popular.

The bottom line is they make money and that's the main reason anyone runs xxx sites..

[Andy]

sure that CJ sites don't care what do their visitors thing or what they want http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif ...
but like I said I think that TGPs shouldn't promote them so agressively ... It's just my opinion and I could be mistaken ...

[Coke]

The dialer-user knows exactly how much he'll be charged for using it, so I don't see any problem with having it on a TGP.

[kingping]

It's been advertised on a tgp I run for nearly a year and I haven't heard anything from any of my daily visitors..

[Tar]

Coke I disagree with you.
User knows he will be billed if he only carefully reads all the terms in program. Do you think they all do that? I guess not. Especially if you promote it with blind links. Otherwise I cannot explain a high percent of maximum time (30 min) calls in my stats.

[Namejs]

which country allows a maximum holdtime of 30 mins?

Either you are using a dialer which violates the FTC regulations or you are just talking bs about your holdtime

[Coke]

1.) Every user with common-sense will know he'll be charged for that call. If it's a little kiddie the parents are responsible for letting him surf in such sites promoting dialers and they deserve being charged $7 or whatever / min then.
2.) He is clearly told how much he'll be charged. That's not hidden in any terms&conditions site/window.
3.) In the USA the maximum holdtime is 20 mins, in the UK 15 mins and so on.

[Namejs]

I think that US and UK 25 min and Germany 20 min

[kingping]

Well said Coke

[Tar]

Namejs
I use dialup2.com dialer, maximum hold time 30 min.

Coke
That's all understood, but:
"Every user with common-sense "...
It seems most money I make on users without common-sense. That's what I'm talnikg about http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[SID MAN]

Hey , what about NCC (http://www.sexcrawler.dk/makemoney/signup.htm), They take surfers from 230 countries right now, I think that is more than any other dialer company....

[shap]

Visitors will not be pissed? HAHAHAHA That is funny.

I guess it depends how much of a following you have. I mean if you have a site with not very many bookmarks and not much of a loyal following BUT lots of first time visitors, Then of course you won't get any flack. The people probably won't even remember your site name. But if you build up a brand name and a good loyal following and you put up a dialer? PREPARE FOR MANY BITCHING EMAILS!

My personal experience is the following. Back in February when NCC had their agressive campaign I gave them a try, and they did very well. I made over $1k a day with their dialer.

Was it worth it? HELL NO, Not in my opinion.

Money is money. Yes I agree. But screwing someone over is wrong. NCC back then did not have it clearly indicated that people were charged $7 a minute. I've worked very hard to build bigbreastlovers.com up. I have a HUGE following and some what a respectable brand name. When I put something up on bigbreastlovers.com people trust me and think that if I advertise it, then it is good. But when I put up those damn dialers I threw all that hard work in the trash. I screwed over people who trusted me. I got emails from guys who said they connected for 40 minutes and got a $250+ phone bill. They had no clue. They said flat out "I trusted you and i got screwed". Truth is for me I lost alot more than i made with the dialers. I lost my surfers trust in me. Remember word of mouth is very powerful. More powerful than most people on the web give credit for. I have alot of surfers who email me and say they told all their friends about my site. Now, when they tell all their friends that they got screwed on my site it hurts me and my sales.

So to summarize this long post. I think if you are working on building a brand name and a loyal following (or in Web Terms BOOKMARKS), Stay away from the dialers. But if all you want is money and you don't give a rats ass about your surfers. Hey milk the dialer cow for all she's worth :-)


Shap

[snow]

Well you know what. Dialer strategies are changing. For instance the dialer we promote has a 20 min cutoff meaning after 20 min the call shuts off. Another nice thing is that the surfer gets charged only 3.95 a min compared to 7.95 with other companies..

This is why we moved over to sprint phone company,cause they have lower rates.When you have lower rates you have longer hold times= more money.

I think the dialer is here to stay a long time. Too many paysites are getting screwed with creditacard charge backs.Well shap feels bad for these people getting charged,but thgis is adult. How about all the people who get fucked when they gamble in vegas. Talk about fucking people over.

When you go to vegas Your basicall spreading your cheeks.
Just all opinion. http://www.dialerprogram.com/index2.shtml

[shap]

By that rationale almost everything in this world is evil. Come Snow that isn't a good comparison. Somebody goes to gamble they do it because for that time they BELIEVE they are in control of their fate and money. Sure they end up losing. But they are very well aware that they may lose.

As for the dialer. Are you going to tell me that people are very well aware they are going to be charged $3.95 a minute to download on a 56k modem? Ha! So that is what, 3 pics for $4? Come on man that is fuckin bullshit.

Dialers are a good idea but these dialers are not doing it the right way. They are blatantly cheating people. Now if there were a dialer which charged maybe 20 cents a minute for access to tons of shit. Or something along those lines. So the person basically pays for what they use. Now that would be fair and would probably kick some major ass. But $3.95 a minute? You are telling me people are aware of what they are getting? I imagine after the first phone bill they get you get alot of recalls too?

Saying dialers will make you money. That I agree with.

Saying dialers are fair to the surfer? Hahaha FUCK YOU that is pure crap.

Shap

[shap]

BTW guys don't get me wrong. I'm not saying you are stupid for using it. What I am saying is that if you are trying to build bookmarks and surfer trust using a dialer on your site may not be the best idea.

And also people saying that the surfer knows? Hehehehe come on. Give the surfers more credit than that. They are not as stupid as you think.

Shap

[Andy]

Yeah,
Shap,
I do 100% agree with you ...
seems that you'r always right http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif
heh

[Namejs]

Originally posted by SID MAN:
Hey , what about NCC (http://www.sexcrawler.dk/makemoney/signup.htm), They take surfers from 230 countries right now, I think that is more than any other dialer company....



NCC? Dude they have the worst Dialer I ever seen.... I tried NCC for two month and got about 600 mins daily and was very happy about it ... then the dialhardcore guys contacted me and gave me their dialer and my minutes jumped to over 2k ... so I earn actually about one grand daily with them... you can imagine that after two month using NCC I was pretty pissed that I lost so much money with them. I don´t know what´s wrong with NCC ... either their dialer converts bad or they shave the minutes.... however the NCC Dialer just sucks
www.dialhardcore.com (http://www.dialhardcore.com) is the best!

[kingping]

look at the most well-traffic sites on sextracker, 70% of the sites in the top20 are currently linking to a dialer and probably 90% of them have used a dialer in the past, i've even seen TheHun advertising NCC a several months ago

all the webmasters are looking up to these guy's and seeing what sponsors they use and using them. that's were i feel the dialer has gained mass popularity and will be around until the big sites find a new sponsor to use.

[Andy]

Yeah,
TheHun used to advertise them ...
but why doesn't he advertise thema nymore ??
Because he cares about his traffic, like Shap said the surfers trust him and he doesn't want to piss them off ...
I am against dialers and many other webmasters are ... but there's nothing to do untill those major site stop using them ...

[Smitty]

Namejs,

You claim to be doing 2k minutes a day. What sites do you run that are promoting this dialer?

Jeff Smith

[Namejs]

I use it for a xxx paysite, a celeb paysite and on some TGP submission and I promote it on several TGP galleries which have a direct download... I don´t run a CJ

But mostly I generate my minutes with the paysites ... the traffic is targeted thats why I have good convertions and a good holdtime with average 10,5 mins ...

Smitty do you really think that 2k is much ? ... I know a guy who makes 5k easily

maybe a dialer sucks for TGP´s and I heard that the hun turned into a real dialer hater...

But you will all agree that actually is a dialer the best opportunity to make much money in an easy way.

And for paysites ... well I don´t have any problems with angry users. They know that they have to pay for a member site

[kingping]

2,000 minutes really isn't a whole lot, I do 500-700 minutes a day with a moderate size TGP.

[Michael_D]

Originally posted by Andy:
Yeah,
TheHun used to advertise them ...
but why doesn't he advertise thema nymore ??
Because he cares about his traffic, like Shap said the surfers trust him and he doesn't want to piss them off ...
I am against dialers and many other webmasters are ... but there's nothing to do untill those major site stop using them ...

The Hun still advertises the dialer so I don't know what you guy's are talking about, he even has talks about how bad they are on his main page, but this is taken right from his site today for example:

<FONT SIZE=-1 COLOR=#FF0000>Please visit our sponsors and keep The Pages free!</FONT><BR>
<a href="http://www.thehun.net/log/log.cgi?http://www.hotlivevideo.com/videosoftware/videoaccess.exe"><img src="http://www.adultmoneymaker.com/banners/cumhunbnr.gif" width=468 height=80 alt="Click here for instant access with no credit card!!"></a>
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[Michael_D]

"Be warned people. I see a lot of "free" dialerprograms everywhere. A quote from the small print: "US - $5.59/min (5pm - 6am) - $7.34/min (6am-5pm) - to Madagascar". This of course is not charging people, this is plain ripping them off! Nobody that read and understood the small print is going to pay $440,40 per hour to watch pictures, no matter how good they are! Be VERY aware! If you download a "free" viewer READ THE SMALL PRINT! Make sure you know the costs! This practices are not illegal, so all I can do is warn people. Also, if you find a page listed on the Yellow Pages that advertises a dialer that charges over 7 bucks a minute please let me know so I can REMOVE the gallery."

Taken right from his page it seems he only cares if the dialer charges over $7 a minute.

If The Hun uses the dialer then I don't think anyone would feel guilty about using it because his site is supposed to be the ultimate user friendly.

[Namejs]

Originally posted by Michael_D:
The Hun still advertises the dialer so I don't know what you guy's are talking about, he even has talks about how bad they are on his main page, but this is taken right from his site today for example:

<FONT SIZE=-1 COLOR=#FF0000>Please visit our sponsors and keep The Pages free!</FONT><BR>
<a href="http://www.thehun.net/log/log.cgi?http://www.hotlivevideo.com/videosoftware/videoaccess.exe"><img src="http://www.adultmoneymaker.com/banners/cumhunbnr.gif" width=468 height=80 alt="Click here for instant access with no credit card!!"></a>
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Dude that is his sponsor not himself and as far as i know costs a banner on his mainpage in his rotation about 1k$ for one month

the hun is still not using a dialer personaly

btw I think that he makes so much money that he does not need one

[Michael_D]

the fact is he's linking to a dialer, either way he is ripping off the surfers, it doesn't matter if it's his personal dialer.

[Michael_D]

Originally posted by Namejs:
Dude that is his sponsor not himself and as far as i know costs a banner on his mainpage in his rotation about 1k$ for one month

the hun is still not using a dialer personaly

btw I think that he makes so much money that he does not need one



Why would it matter if it's his personal dialer? The charges are still the same, it's just going to the guy who paid $1,000 for the banner spot. The surfer is still stuck with the $400 phone bill because thehun is advertising it on HIS page.

[Dan]

http://ss1.sexshare.com:8080/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001962.html

[Namejs]

finally who cares what the hun thinks about a dialer

I´m using a dialer who charges 3,99 and so what? I don´t feel better of that and I don´t see any difference between a 7$ or a 4$ dialer as long as I get a good rate

we are all adult webmasters - the only thing that counts are $$$ - if somebody has problems with that he should go and do something else

[STEVEN]

Shap
I hate to disagree with you, but I will add a little bit to your "dialers kill bookmarkers" idea. See, bigbreatlovers.com is a truly special site - there are only 3-4 big tit link sites out there, and in my opinion it is the nicest one out there. Now, I can see where you would generate surfer loyalty with that site. But, I have a TGP, and even when I had it was 100% clean, it did NOT grow, the bookmarkers never made me bigger. Hell, the site was dying, frankly. So I think a run-of-the-mill TGP isn't going to get a "ton" of bookmarkers. Now, I trade at 25% ratio, and the bookmarkers have actually increased to about 10k. I say 10k because the trade script does 25k in trades, and the site does 35k, must be 10k bookmarkers. I could be wrong.
Anyway, I'm saying that unless you offer something different to the surfers, something they can't find on 500 other sites without breaking a sweat, the dialer is a good program. I haven't gotten one complaint, and on the mail I do get, it is all positve. And for CJ sites it must be the #1 or #2 sponsor now.

[shap]

BIG STEVE. That I'll agree with you.

Now on to point 2. Do you agree with me that surfers are not aware they are being charged? You have snow and everyone else telling the board that surfers know they are being charged $3.95 a minute to download 3 crappy pics. Fuck man for $3.95 US you can get a lap dance here in montreal and for $6.80 US you can touch the girl. Hehehehe Talk about a poor way to use $3.95 heheheheh :-)

Shap

[Due]

Basicly my dialer is saving my ass right now when I don't convert very well on my CJ site... So I LOVE dialers :-)
Shap;
If you have the time contact me on ICQ, would like some tips on how to optimize signups on TGP's :-)
ICQ 7694991
/Due

[STEVEN]

Shap
I am not sure if they know - I honestly haven't downloaded the dialer(s) I use - I guess I should try it before I say "they know". I have to be honest - if I am using a sponsor on a small throw-away site, I will use damn near anything to make money. All these sites with free trials, or $1.95 trials, 3 days later the guys gets hit with a $35 charge. I sell porn sites, video tapes, Viagra, sex tonics, penis enlargement, if I could get a sponsor to let me sell bluejeans, sneakers, and t-shirts, I'd sell that, too.
I will consider what you say about the bookmarkers - it does make sense, especially on a niche site. I believe I could make a ton of cookie cutter TGP galleries with my dialer on it, post 5/day on my own TGP and get my minutes that way, as opposed to serving it off the main tgp page.

[kingping]

I wouldn't put a dialer on your main tgp page unless you like being complaints and threats of law suits in your mailbox each day after they get their phone bill.

With a circle jerk site the people don't remember because they don't come back on their own power.

[Andy]

okay
TheHun wanrs people ..
if you say something like ...

"If you download the dialer and run it you get billed $4-$7 by the telephone company.
DOWNLOAD IT NOW TO GET ACCESS blah blah!!"

And the surfers will download it anyway there's nothing why should they be pissed off ... IF you say that this and they'll download it on the own risk it's ok.

I am sure that if I would run a CJ site I would use dialer ( without the warning http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif )

[playa]

i believe that as long as you don't false advertise bout the dialers than it will be fine...don't say click here for britany spear's blow job movie and bs like that..just keep it clean

cause a surfer can be just as pissed about another sponser...i'm sure there a plenty of sponsers that scrwed up there cc bill just as well

[snow]

Screw the hun.

[Doctor Dre]

Dude just think at the person who will be charged for 30 min ... Not evrebody think they can be charged like that without credit card ... I wouldn't receive a 200 $ check .

When I started on the internet, I was praticly ripped off of 7000 $ US . Its a chance I found a great layer =p
Anyways . I use them cauz I make tons of that ... So I try to don't think what is appening to the users .

Normally its kids . And their parents pay the bills . (You don't go out for 1 year hehe)

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