A much needed post about CJ sites. Please read.

[Smitty]

As many of you know I was one of the first webmasters to run a CJ site with a script. The script was ES. It came out shortly after LinkX. There were many of us using ES. It was us webmasters using LinkX and ES who got the CJ ball rolling. We first started with just our index page and an exit console sent to a sponsor chain. Shortly after this we all added enter consoles for trading. We all went along with one enter console for trading and one exit console sponsor (with a chain) for many months. At this time new webmasters came along with new ideas such as layers and more enter/exit consoles. Things got out of control in a hurry. It did not take us long to realize that we needed to revert back to the way things used to be.

I see many guys starting CJ sites who have two or three enter consoles with exits coming off of those. They have two - five exit consoles with exits off of all of these. They have layers all over the place. Let me go ahead and say that this is not a CJ site. This is a fucking mess!!

If you want to own and operate a profitable, highly potent CJ site, then follow this simple formula.

1. You have your index.

2. You have 1 enter console or 2 enter consoles with the 2nd enter console being a small popup. Definitely not two full-size enter consoles.

3. You have your two exit consoles. One may to be a sponsor or they may both be for trading. If you go with a sponsor definitely put it BELOW your trading page. The sponsor will have their own exit chain. I suggest you also exiting off of your trading page. Maybe exit to your TGP site or to another small window for trading.

4. Don't fuck around with your trading partners. Don't say you can trade 5k if you can't. Don't send 5k today and 500 tomorrow. Consistency and honesty is the key people. CJ sites were successful because we were a tightly knit group of webmasters who trusted and respected each other.

A lot of people have been asking me lately what they can do to make more money because their TGP's or CJ2's were struggling. My answer is now going to be, "Start a CJ!" CJ sites are simple to operate and can be highly profitable when done correctly.

Long live 'clean' Circle Jerk sites.

Thanks for reading,

Jeff Smith
ICQ#: 7127736

[Backov]

Unfortunately it seems that a lot of people are cheating.. Developing the anti-cheat code for my script I have found a LOT of cheating going on.. More than you would think, so it seems that the only way to trade these days is with people you know at least fairly well, and have a rep for honesty. CJ/CJ2 sites don't survive long if one your partners starts using a clicking hitbot.

Cheers,
Backov

[manga]

Well said Smitty. I hope clean CJs make a comeback.

[elron]

The whole CJ idea is to humilate the surfers . those are pages that are one big fake crap that shows links to porn while they have everything but not porn .
So 1 consoles or less , wont change this fact .
The CJ was succesfull at the begining because of 2 reasons :
1 - a first lie is always a succesfull lie , then no one will believe you again . surfers knows that those are crap sites , and will just try to close all popups and swear in their dog's life that they will never enter such pages again .
2 - the first Cj sites were able to get feeded to clean links sites and even from tgp's , and that gave them high quality of traffic . now , no will will ever dare to link from his tgp or a link site to those sites .

You have to understand , that the surfer is not a sheep , he got some brains among with his dick . If he will click on a link that will give him what he expected , he will enjoy the new page , then will come again to click . That is the whole idea that generates the producity .
I will never link pictures to the out url . i will give them something , even a picture with out links near it , but that's what important . If he found that your links are true , he will come again and click few more times , even of those clicks went to trades .
i must admit that it took me pretty much time to figure this out , and i figured it from the UCJ admin .
Let me give you an example .
A trade of mine has 250% prod at my tgp , and the numbers are :
incomming from XXX : 1500 raws , 1300 uniques
outgoing : 3500 raws , 600 uniques .

Look at those numbers and try to see my point . from his 1300 uniques , half of the surfers didn't even click , because they probably expected to see a gallery , but there are 700 surfers to clicked 3500 times . those are the ones i was talking about . they found real galleries at my tgp , and came back again .
This would never happen with a CJ site , nor with CJ2 .

If you want my opinion , the CJ will never be back to what it was , and the CJ-2 is on its way to die as well .

[Smitty]

Elron,

It's all about making money and CJ's are highly profitable. TGP's take too much time and don't make hardly anything. On the other hand CJ's are easy to run and make a lot of money.

Jeff Smith
ICQ#: 7127736

[playa]

the only way CJ will become popular is if these exit sponsers go back to the way it was,,,

set the rules straight,, 2 entrance and 1 exit with sponser code,,,

no crazy sponser chains crap with the timed consoles and shit,,,,
bring back the old bimbotraffic cybererotica consoles,,,,

also i think now since the main stream sites use more aggressive consoles surfers have become alot smarter with pop ups

[elron]

Yes it's all about making money , but you have to get surfers , and surfers are the key to the money .
You started your first CJ when Pierre started his worldsex.com .
Look where you stand now , and where he's standing .

Having exit console wont kill your site , but if your site has nothing but fake links , this will kill your site .
The best combination is to start Cycle jerk sites with % of content , and have 1 exit page . If this will come out , people will start to make much more money .

[Smitty]

Elron,

It's all about making money and CJ's are highly profitable. TGP's take too much time and don't make hardly anything. On the other hand CJ's are easy to run and make a lot of money.

Jeff Smith
ICQ#: 7127736

[chymp]

smitty, you are living in a fucking fantasy world, chum.

[Rockys Porn]

i beg to differ

i've been in this biz almost 5 years and my sales just keep going up - this will be a record year in profit - and i'm doing this full time and making more money then i have in any job i've every had (and i've had numerous high paying jobs)

and i run TGP's

it's kind of like the analogy "size or shape doesn't matter" just as long as you know how to use it
;)

[playa]

smitty i would like to know where your profits are coming from??

dialers and email proggies?

the reason why i stopped CJ is because it was a freakin nitemare,,,, the shit got way too complicated,, i couldn't keep up

[playa]

Originally posted by elron:
<STRONG>
You started your first CJ when Pierre started his worldsex.com .
Look where you stand now , and where he's standing .
.</STRONG>

damn,,EOM

[toker]

Ha tell Hun he should change over to CJ also i bet he would have a few words for you.

What do you see in CJ that brings more profit??

I sure hope you dont claim DIALERS build a long term success??

Sure exit sponsors who save you 2/3 of what you send can make some beer and cigarette money for the week but what else??

You cant sell with gallery ads or gallery list spots so i would love to know how a CJ is so much more profitable then a TGP.

TGP i can keep them on site longer shove 100% more ads in their face and better target each surfer with differ content/sponsor.

Show me a CJ that sold for near $100k or one that brings in near what worldsex or any other big TGP makes in a year!

Sure TGP takes more work to maintain and better design skills since its not just a fuckin row of words down a single colum. Come on how much brains do most CJ/CJ2 owners have to make a page that looks like shit and expect to make dream money. To make money it takes time and hard work and the biggest issue right now is cheaters.

If you send real traffic for fake shit in return how many fake hits will make you money?

Sure its so easy i tell ya so everyone change your TGPs and start CJs today so i can get all your bookmarks. :p

[ragnar]

if it was possible to create a 200k cj site im sure you make more then a 500k tgp

[Jer]

How much a 10k CJ, 20k CJ or __k CJ makes per day ?

[Smitty]

Toker,

You're an idiot and it's about time somebody told you.

"Sure TGP takes more work to maintain and better design skills since its not just a fuckin row of words down a single colum. Come on how much brains do most CJ/CJ2 owners have to make a page that looks like shit and expect to make dream money. To make money it takes time and hard work and the biggest issue right now is cheaters." - Toker

1. TGP's require better design skills than CJ's? You're crazy kid. If anything it's the other way around.

2. "...its not just a fuckin row of words down a single colum." Listen pinhead! Most TGP's are just a row of words down a single column - just look at 'The Hun'. CJ layouts are very complex.

2. How much brains do most CJ/CJ2 owners have to make a page that looks like shit and expect to make dream money you ask? Lets see... Javier, NickD, Anthony, Marc, and I are five of the smartest guys in the business and we used to make $30 - $75k a month each with our CJ's. That doesn't sound like dream money to me. That sounds like 10 times what you make on your best month.

3. To make money it takes time and hard work you say? No shit sherlock. Why do you think we all used to work on our CJ designs 24/7?

Man oh man, dealing with these idiots...

Anyway...


Ragnar,

There used to be a couple CJ's over 200k a day. There were probably six or seven over 100k a day. With 100k of CJ traffic right now you could make an absolute fortune off of dialers. My best guess would be 100k of CJ traffic = $250 - $400 a day off of dialers.

I think it would be tough to get a CJ to 100k right now. Actually it would be impossible. It would be quite easy to get it to 10k though. And if enough honest guys get them going the sky can be the limit again.

Jeff Smith
ICQ#: 7127736

[ragnar]

yup i was thinking about that aswell but there aren't enough good/big trade partners who can deal with cj's nowadays

just like you say i guess there are only a few small cj sites that are still alive, i suggest that everybody starts a cj site or some new ones so we can all get some traffic going and our profits will raise for sure

[nic]

avw-babes.com and fotosfree.com or something are both over 100k. He makes bank I know that, avw-babes.com sold for some $35,000 and makes over $500/day. Site is over 200k I think. CJs make a ton more money, hit me up if you need help. I think smitty forgot to mention me somewhere ?

[playa]

Originally posted by Smitty:
<STRONG>1. TGP's require better design skills than CJ's? You're crazy kid. If anything it's the other way around.

2. "...its not just a fuckin row of words down a single colum." Listen pinhead! Most TGP's are just a row of words down a single column - just look at 'The Hun'. CJ layouts are very complex.

</STRONG>

its very complicated running a CJ site,,,,
too many variables to consider,,,,

but smitty dialers alone isn't a good reason to make a CJ site successfull,,,

the exit sponsers will have to get better like the old days

[Jules]

Hey Jeff,

"Lets see... Javier, NickD, Anthony, Marc, and I are five of the smartest guys in the business and we used to make $30 - $75k a month each with our CJ's. That doesn't sound like dream money to me. That sounds like 10 times what you make on your best month."

I remember those days cause I wrote the checks... Lets be honest about it though...

1. The money you made was off of exit traffic, back in the good ol days when there were people who thought it was actually worth something.

2. Only a couple of you consistantly made over 30K a month... and it was not you!

3. You were one of the worst ones, always on our watch list, we would set rules to clean things up - you would give us a hard time and break them...

4. Companies lost soooo much money buying traffic from CJ sites - it became a Joke... 30-50% unique traffic - and you guys got paid for RAW.

Jeff I admire you for 'turning over a new leaf' but don't mislead people... there may have been almost a year of great money to be made, but when it fell apart, a lot of people and companies really got hurt - due in large part due to DIRTY sites - and you were a huge part of that!

[Smitty]

Jules,

I know you would like to think that EMI was the only company buying our exit traffic, but it wasn't the case. In fact, I was sending most of my exit traffic elsewhere.

Jeff Smith
ICQ#: 7127736

[Jules]

Right... ok... that would be the answer I would have expected from you.
I don't believe you - I knew how many sites you had and where you were sending to... everyone knew - remember?

[Smitty]

Jenice,

EMI ended up being my main broker but for six months before this happened I was sending EMI less than 40% of my total traffic. I was making a lot more with another company.

Jeff Smith
ICQ#: 7127736

[Jules]

Jeff,

Whatever... say what you will - I am not interested in a pissing match... (although PISS is cool) I am also not saying that you were not making really great money, cause you were...but it was not as easy and awsome as you made it sound...

The ones that were pulling in 50k plus lived, and breathed their sites... it was NOT easy, you should know that... as I recall you were a high school student...

Everything that could have gone wrong... DID.

Anyway, it was a wonderful life for a while wasn't it?

I am less than an hour away from winning my car...
:D

VROOOOM,

[matuloo]

Javier, NickD, Anthony, Marc, and I are five of the smartest guys in the business

Smitty I dont know whether you are one of the 5 smartest guys in this industry :D but I have to agree with you. CJs, toplists, funnels, banner farms and other content less sites are the way to go, not those fucking TGPs giving away tons of free content.

Every webmaster that has experience with such sites knows that there are better moneymakers, considering the amount of traffic. Sure it is easier to make a TGP with 100k daily than a 100k CJ, but you will make the same if not more money with a 30k CJ.

elron : you are right with the productivity issue, but do you really care how much bookmarkers you have and how many surfers like your site and come back for more free shit? Well, I dont give a fuck about all those freeloaders looking for nothing but free shit. I learned one thing dealing with CJs and toplists, the more pissed off the surfers is the more likely he or she is to pay for some quality content at some point.

We are here to sell, not to give away porn for free.

[chymp]

NOW I remember why I stopped visiting this board.

[RaiDeN]

I agree with smitty on this case,
I am not going to add much more because he said most imortant things allready.

but i still do cj, most of the,, and they still make the best money.
For example avwbabes.com yes

but like smitty said
with 1 enter and 1 exitconsole for trading. not 30.

Jerk the surfer around untill he gets tired and pulls his creditcard, and don't waste expensive content and gig's on 14 year old wankers.

[RaiDeN]

about avwbabes.com

Iment about the good money in CJ,
NOT that it is mine :D :D

[Ludedude]

Originally posted by elron:
<STRONG>
You started your first CJ when Pierre started his worldsex.com .
</STRONG>

ROFLMAO....Pierre bought Worldsex about 2 months ago.

Maybe someone hasn't been studying his TGP history?

[NickD]

Maybe it's time for me to get back to CJ :)

[Filipe]

I'm still up for more 5-10k trades for the ones who complain about not enough big sites to trade with :)

toker, you usually post interesting things, but this time you really hit with your head and you insulted us CJ designers.

[manga]

Originally posted by NickD:
<STRONG>Maybe it's time for me to get back to CJ :)</STRONG>

Here comes the heavy artillery :D

[SpyCam]

One question for old CJ'ers:

what productivity was OK on CJ sites and what site structure used they to have for that productivity (like how many enter, exit consoles, etc.)

[Smitty]

NickD,

I think you should start a new CJ site for sure. I know you still have some traffic you could feed it and we both know that's the secret.

Jeff Smith
ICQ#: 7127736

[snow]

Continue this topic its very intresting..There are too many tgp's giving away free shit for cj's to hit big dont you think.. I'm game if more people get into it.

I closed mine last month after 2 years the famous pornflake LOL :D

[Doctor Dre]

Check guys if we piss the surfers and send them to a popup hell like 50 % of the time and 50 % he'l get content for free he is soon gonna be pissed enough to pay the 30 fucking bucks a mont h for a paysite ... let's be honest if there were just 100 % clean tgp without any trading crap, NOBODY would make a penny ... It would be hard just paying for bandwith .

Restarting cj sites are a good ideas ... tgp2 is also one . Since there is no cj (I think that was little bit more than a year ago when everybody on this board started cj2) the buisness is droping like shit ... all is clean and free. There is also kazaa and that shit but they will finish by shut down in a year or two ... So let's be honest guys ... cjs ROCK !

[drumsicle]

:) I was just telling Dr. Dre this morning on ICQ that I'm thinking about turning my ailing traffic hole of a site into a CJ. I pretty much have started anyway. No more galleries, all blind links to trades and dialer. I joined some toplists and I'm gonna see what kinda traffic they bring. I'm kinda excited, like turning over a new leaf, a brand new start.

[shane]

anyone who thinks cjs dont make money is deluded :eek:

[toker]

Ok lets see you think the web is the only place to get free porn??

Dam you have IRC, Newsgroups, AOL Porn Rooms, J4Free Type Programs, illegal content brokers, CD and membership givaway sites, Password trade sites and IRC channels.

Now you say TGP is such a bad thing but let me say if they want it for free they can find it eventually. TGPs are not the main problem in my view dialers are whats hurting conversions.

You can say what you like. ;)

[mukoh]

Cj's are the most interesting and worthwile concept in porn business. BUt only 10% of webmasters understand the point and the ability of it.
I am all for cj's back from the old days but not the 40 popup ones.

[Doctor Dre]

toker if there is all thoses ressource why the top 10 sextracker get millions of hits ? cauz people are too stupid to use it ... most of internet user don't know anything about that ...

[ludwik]

Now you say TGP is such a bad thing but let me say if they want it for free they can find it eventually. TGPs are not the main problem in my view dialers are whats hurting conversions.

You are wrong, I tkink that tgps is the biggest problem

people from serarch engines too easy can find tgps. Try find some free porn in google. Its very very easy.

if you turn that tgps into cj sites
surfers will not find easy free porn.

[NickD]

CJ2 sites are a joke. I was one of the first to came out with the idea and rules but it got out of hand. I'm looking at most cj2 sites and they either look like CP sites or TGP's. Don't do that, don't exit that, don't autodownload that, prefer a site with content etc etc....while we are at it, why don't we add the rule: "Your site must not make any money". I mean, you know anyone making a fortune out of a lame cj2? People are so desperate to get clicks that they add CP descriptions or put content to "try" to get bookmarkers! This is ridiculous. The line between a cj2 and a tgp is so thin that it makes cj2 worthless.

CJ sites are good money makers that is for sure. The main reason is that there is no free porn so surfers get pissed off and don't care to pay as long as they can jerk off. But without rules, it would easy get out of hand as well. The way cj sites were at the beggining was great. But when the consoles war began, the traffic took a big downfall. I think something in the middle of a cj2 and a nasty cj would be good. But again, how can we make sure people follow the rules? That's another issue...

[matuloo]

Ok, how about to create a group of people willing to start decent CJs again? Some sort of a small family where every new member would have to apply for a memberhsip prior to be allowed to start trades? And once someone breaks the rules he would be kicked out.

I would be willing to join such a "family" and I already have a CJ2 site with about 25-30k niques daily that I am willing to transfer into a CJ.

anyone else?

[toker]

Get over it if TGPs didnt make anyone money we would all be running CJ but then again what do i know im not a big CJer. Nope never have been never will be CJ is like trading in your DSL for 14.4k in my view.

You think about this DSL is dirt fuckin cheap about 2x cost of dialup from my telco so you think DSL uses only 2x the bandwidth that the average 56k user would?

Why did the telcos offer to let users burn more bandwidth to make less profits??

Simple its all about volume more users spending more money even if its less its still more in "quantity".

You can argue all you want but i know how marketing works and TGP is a marketing plot if used properly has very good potential.

Even if i dont make a sale from my TGP today does that mean a rev share partner cant make from a listing?

Does it mean i cant use it to make money in other ways?

Do you have any concept of marketing cause most of you just slap a page up with banned sluts, illegal virgins, and link it to a dialer then brag you made big bucks. I can post many URLs to prove this theory so dont even try to argue this one.

If this is not you im refering to then no reason to get upset and bitch to defend CJ sites that do this. Fact is 90% of them do and that i cannot change like it or not.

[Smitty]

Toker,

You're an idiot. Please refrain from posting in this thread again. Nobody wants to listen to your ignorance.

Jeff Smith
ICQ#: 7127736

[Jer]

Originally posted by NickD:
<STRONG>I think something in the middle of a cj2 and a nasty cj would be good. </STRONG>

Like a site with 1 exit console, 50% to 100% no-content links, dialer java alerts allowed, no layers and no fullscreen consoles, and ... ?

[matuloo]

Jer,

I think something like :

1 enter popup, 1 or 2 (1 for trade and 1 for sponsor) exits, only few content links if any at all, no thumbs for trades

would be better, whatcha all think?

[RaiDeN]

yeha keep it reasonable

only 1 java, 1 enter and 1 exit

enter and exit for trading, java for sponsor

this works really great.


I know you can send out way more with more consoles, but most of the time it only brings down productivity and send back more.

Some real galleries shaved from 50-99% are not bad either. but lets quit the fucking christmas show, and stop giving it all away for free.

i ask friends of mine wich are total internetnewbies some questions now and then.

and you know what was the first thing they said 1 month ago.

the popups are much less and now i can see real nude pics more often then 6 months ago

well i know my friends and they are never going to pull out a CC. so those guys should be jerked around liek they used to.

not TOO much, but just a little

:D

[Pro]

As someone who has wrote a trading script long time ago did extremely well, let me put few words for your consideration.

The problem is NOT one thing. As a matter of fact its number of things combined. TGP, Dialers, etc.

CJ's worked very well one time, but as Nick and other people stated it got out of hand.

Solution:
An organized* circle can and will succeed in brining CJ's back to a profitable level for everyone. Call it coalition if you like.
This group would set the rules, i.e. 1 Enter, 1 Exit console. As far as getting free porn from search engines like google, etc.
Well that can be easily fixed with Search Engine Promotion (spamming). Lets face it getting listed in google above other
TGP would be allot easier for this *coalition to do then everyone trying to be listed on their own.

BTW. Sup Nick, remember Pro ? (I'm back) :P

Whola, so how about it ? Shall we make the history a reality today ?

Pro

[RaiDeN]

I am with ya guys. count me in. i know most of my webmasters would love to be in..

[pauly]

I will change one of my sites back to the original cj's of the summer of 1999 when i bought my first ES. Main page, 1 small enter console with trade, and an exit. Anything more than that is ridiculous. If I recall correctly there were about 30 sites (Smitty had like 5 or 6)that started with that 3 page format. I was at 55000 uniques in 1 week.

Those were the good ole days :D .

Paul

[mukoh]

I would be totally in to convert 100k cj2 into cj

[Darrell]

You can count me in as well :)

Darrell

[matuloo]

OK, so who has a CJ type of site and is willing to join the "coalition" ?

so far it looks like these people would go for it :

matuloo "me" :)
RaiDeN
Pro
pauly
Darrell

Who is next, I think we need at least 15 to be able to start.

Shall I register a domain for it and post the new rules there, or make a msg board there or something like that? Post your ideas and opinions...

[teenmafia]

Now it seems like this place is flooded with professionals what it comes to CJ-sites.

Can anyone tell WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH MINE :mad:

I feed it around 1200/uniques per day, my trades suck ratios less than 50% and such.

I changed the layout today and some improvement has occured... but not good enough methinks.
http://www.teenmafia.com/hardcoreporn/

It has no hidden shit, so you're relatively safe visiting it ;)

Pleaz help :)

[Anthony Raff]

What's up everyone.. Nick, Jeff, Pro, Pauly..

Why do you guys bring up all those good memories of Cjing ? Dam those were the days...
I'd be interested to get back into it, it's interesting following this thread. I hope something will happen, I'm following it closely..

Cheers!

[matuloo]

Ok so now we have :

matuloo "me"
RaiDeN
Pro
pauly
Darrell
AnthonyR

who is next?

[NickD]

Hey what's up Pro, I remember you :) I remember everyone from the 90's ;)

[donger]

count me in. i still have a cj at assbonanza.com (it has some layers on it, drastic measures back from the days when things got out of hand, which i can remove)

count me in, for sure. the three console format was great

donger

[drumsicle]

Count me in for sure! :)

[donger]

Originally posted by NickD:
<STRONG>
CJ sites are good money makers that is for sure. The main reason is that there is no free porn so surfers get pissed off and don't care to pay as long as they can jerk off. But without rules, it would easy get out of hand as well. The way cj sites were at the beggining was great. But when the consoles war began, the traffic took a big downfall. I think something in the middle of a cj2 and a nasty cj would be good. But again, how can we make sure people follow the rules? That's another issue...</STRONG>

I think we should establish basically a coalition of sites. We should have NO autosignup links on our sites, and have only *1* website per webmaster. One of the other reasons that things got so out of hand was that people wanted to make like 5 sites per person, and work on them all half-assed, instead of working hard on getting ONE site to do well.

We should make specific rules governing the # and type of consoles (and sponsor exits), as well as having a governing type body where all the webmasters can approve/disapprove of sites before they get added to the mix. Removing auto-signups + having a message board or voting system would accomplish that.

I have been a big fan of doing this for a long time, even back from when everyone was on the "cleaner is better" CJ2 kick. Now that everyone realizes that ultra clean TGPs are bringing everyone's revenues down, and don't turn much of a profit, the market is primed for what i've always wanted to call CJ 1.5.

Let me know what you think. I think that if we can control this and limit the # of webmasters/websites in it, as well as strictly keeping CP/lolita references out of it, we could all do well.

Let me know what you think!

donger

[drumsicle]

Excellent ideas Donger!

[Dracula]

Count me in!
Redesigned, probably more productive than the last time, http://www.pornobynet.com

[drumsicle]

Count me in again. :D

I am starting on a new layout when I get home tonight!

[Dracula]

Donger, awesome ideeas!

Let's say 1 entry, 1 java-alert and 1 or 2 exits. Autodownload alowed. Sounds good?
Autosignup closed, working on 1 site only is really good.

[mukoh]

matuloo
you can count me in, i have 20-30k feeder traffic. and a cj2.

[Anthony Raff]

Nice to see you around Donger, I remember assbonaza.com well :eek: - Actually I think I remember what all the old school CJ sites looked like.. Nick you always had good designs and Smitty too.. nice hot looking chicks on the thumbnails..

I think this could work this time, with Donger's help. Donger if you could program something like you menioned above I think it could work..

[matuloo]

ok we have few more :)

matuloo
RaiDeN
Pro
pauly
Darrell
AnthonyR
drumsicle
Dracula
donger

I have a domain that we could use for a site that would list the rules, member sites, blacklisted sites, there would be a message board and some other things as they would become neccesary. It would work like donger suggested - very strict rules, no lolita crap, we would set certain minimum of webmasters that have to approve site before it is allowed to trade with us etc, etc ... we would discuss it all, once the site is up.

Do you want me to do it and start working on that "portal" or is someone against?

[quotealex]

If autodownload is allowed, I don't want to be part of it.

[mukoh]

matudoo add me to the list also.

[diesel]

Lets do it...

[donger]

Originally posted by Dracula:
<STRONG>Count me in!
Redesigned, probably more productive than the last time, http://www.pornobynet.com</STRONG>

dude, you're breaking like half of the fundamental, ingrained ideas already:
this stands out among them:
!!!! LOLITAS PICS !!!

that's the kind of shit that i would like to avoid in a CJ renaissance. as well as any 'make your homepage' or add bookmark popups or java alerts. those, plus layers, i think, were what made cj such a mess originally. who the hell wants to bookmark your cj site anyways?

[manga]

This thread is totally making my day! Count me in for sure.

[Filipe]

I don't mind joining the list since my CJ sites are already on that format.

But I won't disable my autosignup nor drop my trades just because they didn't join the list.

And the idea of having only 1 cj site... Do you think me and 90% of other cj webmasters are going to drop all the other sites just because you don't want us to have more than 1 cj site? Yeah right, keep dreaming about that. Besides, the idea doesn't make any sence. No offence, though :)

[drumsicle]

There is revolution in the air! matuloo, I'll do whatever I can to help with the new portal! :)

[drumsicle]

Originally posted by Filipe:
<STRONG>I don't mind joining the list since my CJ sites are already on that format.

But I won't disable my autosignup nor drop my trades just because they didn't join the list.

And the idea of having only 1 cj site... Do you think me and 90% of other cj webmasters are going to drop all the other sites just because you don't want us to have more than 1 cj site? Yeah right, keep dreaming about that. Besides, the idea doesn't make any sence. No offence, though :)</STRONG>

I think they mean more than one site in the circle. As for other trades, I'm not sure, but how would anyone even know who you are trading with?

[donger]

OK, well here's what i suggest for the rules:

Let's talk about them, first...
I have a decent domain where i could host the bbs, etc.

Before i get started, too, i want to say, that there will probalby be a lot of noise in this thread, most of it coming from the people that helped ruin CJ in the first place. It should be ignored. The people to really listen to, for those of you not in the know, are AnthonyRaff, NickD, Pro, myself, Jer (from ultradonkey), etc. A lot of people will probably post stuff like "5 consoles is what i suggest, plus dialer download." Don't listen to those people. We should stick to the vision, which is something slightly more liberal than CJ2..

ok, here's my proposed rules. Chop these up, they're only suggestions..

1. Trading from clicks within consoles is OK.
(obvious, but necessary to restate).

2. important No linking to trades from anything that doesn't look like a link. This can include layers, fake dialog boxes, scroll bars, movie players, or anything else used to dupe the surfer into clicking when they really don't want to.

Note: the desire to visit or view a link is what should drive the surfer to click, not the desire to close a window

3. Consoles:

Here's the thorny part. I say, the less the better. Back to the good old days would be ideal. One entry console of your choosing, with NO exit coming off of it, and then one sponsor type exit from the main page, and that's IT. anyone found breaking this format would be ostracized as a cheater.

4. CHILD PORN/BESTIALITY/INCEST/RAPE
This shit is disgusting. Anyone found enticing surfers with these links should be ostracized as well. This includes "young teen","hairless","lolita", etc. We shouldn't take any fucking slack on this.

5. One website PER webmaster and that's IT. People got greedy in the old days, and instead of trying to get their one website to higher traffic levels, they instead made 20 shitty ones. Traffic gets diluted, and we all lose out in the end.

6. No auto signups. We all deal with our trading partners on a personal basis.

7. more hardlink & ratio trading. This may not be a popular thing to say, but ratio trading sucks. If we all know each other, we should trust one another enough to set up good, foundational trades.


my 2 cents! let's get moving on this!

donger

[donger]

now if tim would just let us edit our posts.. heh.
i meant to say that "productivity trading sucks" when i said "ratio trading sucks" in the above post

my fuckup

donger

[matuloo]

I am not sure about that 1 site per person rule, I know some webmasters that run multiple sites and willing to work hard enough to get them all going smoothly.

I am for trading only with sites in the list, otherwise this all doesnt make sence, cause it would soon get the CJ concept where it has ended.

I am for 1 enter console and maximum 2 exit consoles.

Of course no Cp, lolita, beast crap.

No layers, or dialog boxes, scroll boxes etc ...

trade clicks from consoles, no direct opening of a trading link in the exit.

those are my sugestions.

And I agree with you donger - who is not willing to accept the rules that we agree on is welcome to leave.

[Anthony Raff]

Donger sounds good.... nice post ;)

I agree with everything you said, but I really really agree with the trading on a "personal basis".. because it's a good way to control the abuse.
The voting system sounds very good. Quality over quantity.. let's go for it!

[McMike]

So if I understand correct,
It is allowed to send in traffic from your other sites to your CJ site who participating, but you can't send traffic outside the "CJ ring"?

Sounds like a good idea to get a big traffic flow for the CJ sites.

This would be very interresting to join.

McMike

[pauly]

Right on Donger!! This is like cj flashback. I will pull out my original design for sweetassugar.com and use it on a different domain. We should set the rules in stone. Either your in or your out. Shit I would pull out the old ES script if I still had it :D .

I like the 1 site rule. Otherwise you will have guys setting up 10 free scripts and soaking traffic from the circle.

I think we should limit the size of the enter console, like no full screen enter console.

And yes, SCREW productivity trading. Let's get back to basics.

Just some thoughts
;)

Paul

[matuloo]

AntonyR

I have this in mind :
send traffic to your CJ from your other sites to get it going but dont trade with other CJ sites that are not on the list.

[jojo]

you can count me in.
i run 3 cjs now but welling to trun one around a little for this

[IronManX]

Maybe this sounds a little silly but here goes.

How about a $100 membership fee? That would allow newbies like myself to get in the "cj ring." That would also prevent new entrants from behaving without manners because they would have somehting to lose.

[IronManX]

!Damn! no edit function!

Money would go to either shared technology like stopping hitbots

-or-

We could just donate to a Sept. 11 fund.

The point would be to have some economic incentive to following the rules.

[matuloo]

I dont think newbies should be totaly kept out, the key is honesty and willingness to follow the rules.

and I dont vote for a membership fee

[ragnar]

Smitty goes for the dvd-player :D

[Jer]

Sounds very good.

[pauly]

I am so excited about this that I have to make another post.

First: I think Smitty deserves some credit for bringing this subject up. Alot of guys out there don't like him, but he was and still is a powerful force in the cj game. Alot of what he says is right on.

Second: I vote Donger/Anthony Raff/NickD to be the heads of this Old School Revival. They had some of the biggest sites back then, and they are highly respected.

Matuloo, it seems to me you are anxious to be the head of this whole movement. With no dis-respect to you, I don't remember you running a site back in the old days. If this is a "revival" of the original cj concept, it should be headed by an original cj guru. Of course you can be a part of it, just step aside and let a leader of those times take control and adapt it to today's market ;)

In response to people saying that we cannot make money with cj's, YOUR WRONG! I was getting at least 2 signups a day to an amateur paysite, sending 2000+ hits to a pay-per-click sponser paying 4 cents, and exit traffic. That was with 30000 daily hits, which may not seem like much traffic to todays sextracker rankings, but back then, 30000 daily had you in the top 70 of sextrackers universe rankings. Today you also have the dialer to make money off of.

Maybe that wont work as easily in today's market of so much free porn, but I am willing to try. CJ2 was critisized before it started, now look at all the high traffic tgp's that evolved from cj2.

Food for thought. Maybe the guys interested in trying some old school cj sites are not interested in having 500,000 hits a day to brag about. They may just be interested in generating more revenue for themselves. It is rough out there to make a buck today.

Excuse my ramblings :D

[playa]

Originally posted by toker:
<STRONG>
TGPs are not the main problem in my view dialers are whats hurting conversions.

</STRONG>

actually thats not true,,, people that add dialers notice no change in conversions,,,
people that use dialers are the ones that have no intention on whipping out their credit cards anyways,,

[Mikey]

Once these guys, Smitty, Nick, etc. start cranking up their cj's again, watch them climb in Sex Trackers ranking, quickly.

[turf]

being a total CJ newbie (i have a few gay cj2 sites) i would love to be in on this movement....

I have always thought about making a CJ site but never really knew what the big does and donts were... This will teach me and hopefully make me a few extra $$..

So if there is room for a total CJ-newbie, count me in...

----
about the rules i think it should say one exit consol, and one java-alert... one exit has to be enough if you have a java-alert..

[Dracula]

Originally posted by donger:
<STRONG>

dude, you're breaking like half of the fundamental, ingrained ideas already:
this stands out among them:
!!!! LOLITAS PICS !!!

that's the kind of shit that i would like to avoid in a CJ renaissance. as well as any 'make your homepage' or add bookmark popups or java alerts. those, plus layers, i think, were what made cj such a mess originally. who the hell wants to bookmark your cj site anyways?</STRONG>


Donger, you probably hit the 404 page of the server where I'm hosted. It's a dedicated server of one slovakian guy.

My pages are: http://www.pornobynet.com/index1.html / enter.html

[Dracula]

And it you just go to http://www.pornobynet.com you will see my page, not the 404. For me is working this way...

Put http://www.pornobynet.com/whatever and you'll hit the 404.

[sandman]

Count me in i will have a spare r&b4 site soon :)

[MayorX]

Originally posted by nic:
<STRONG>avw-babes.com and fotosfree.com or something are both over 100k. He makes bank I know that, avw-babes.com sold for some $35,000 and makes over $500/day. Site is over 200k I think. CJs make a ton more money, hit me up if you need help. I think smitty forgot to mention me somewhere ?</STRONG>

The Bottom Line is what is the Profit after the BW bill is payed???? i bet 35% so about $150 per say or so after BW COSTS.. I COULD BE wrong but most webmasters say they Make $1000.00 per day but pay 50% or more on Server Costs..........


TGPS are Server Burners. Will heat your house for 20 years plus!.. CJ sites burn a bit cheaper!.. Hell My brother Makes $600 a day with 5k a day in traffic with a BW bill of 400 mo.. LOL....

so their are always 2 sides to a pie...
;)

[chymp]

Well...
I've been reading all of these posts and I must say that this all sounds familiar. I remember numerous similar attempts at changing CJ protocol in the past.

First off let me just say that I'm not at all against this idea. Donger is my business partner so I obviously can appreciate his points of view. I also respect most of you webmasters who are gung-ho about the idea since the majority of you are veterans who I have worked with over the past few years. I also am itching to get rid of the excessive 'TINY LOLITA!!!!!' descriptions that I see on every CJ2 site I visit now. I'm also all for getting away from strict productivity trading.

Anyway, I WOULD like to ask a few questions of all of you about all of this. And keep in mind that I'm not asking to be a smartass. I'm actually just looking to clear up some doubts that I have.

1) Similar changes have been tried before. What makes everyone think that this will work now? Even old-time respected webmasters get greedy sometimes and add little things here and there to increase productivity. Then more little things. Then everyone says 'I'm not making any money. We have to change the rules to allow this and that! So and so is doing it, why can't I?!'. Then where are you?

2) Assuming that these changes ARE made successfully, where will this new bounty of traffic come from, especially if only a limited few webmasters can join? I don't know about you guys, but none of my old standard CJ sites are doing over 5k anymore.

3) Why will this traffic convert now when it hasn't ever converted before? Exit traffic is out of the question, which was the major cash cow of CJ sites in the past. ActiveX Dialers can't be used and suck anyway. I used to convert partnership programs just so-so with these sites back in 1999. I don't even want to talk about now :P

4) Is content allowed on these sites? Content greatly increases the trading productivity on my other sites. If it's not allowed at all on these sites I think that might hinder the ability to trade more.

Look, I'm all for trying this. I just wonder how it's all going to suddenly work now when it didn't two or three years ago. Things got dirty for a reason back then and it makes sense that they could again. Hopefully that was just a nice lesson in what NOT to do for all of us that were CJing back then. Everyone will just have to be much more careful and aware of what they and their fellow webmasters are doing and try out some new advertising techniques. Who knows, maybe it can work now.

[teenmafia]

Me too.
I wanna join :)

Hmm. I have a poor CJ-site atm...
I feed it around 1000/day and have shitty layout and bad trades. :)

Willing to shape-up for you. heh

So if you accept newbies, I'd like to be in too :)

Umm.. /IF/ this ever succeeds, what am I supposed to do with my current trades, or should I just buy a new domain for this?

Opinions on that?

Thanks.

-TGF-

[RaiDeN]

Ask your good trades to join also.

Its not cool to have to delete the good trades because of it.

[shane]

hey, count me in, I have a domain and script ready and waiting :)

I think we need at least 40 good sites involved in this.

CJ1.5 hehe good name!

[Asdffdsa]

Is there anyway someone could make a form for anyone to freely list there sites, and so everyone has a exact refrence of where to find sites to trade with.

Thanks

[Cyber-Fantasy]

Im game

for anything that will stop me from always worrying about my trade partners traffic


seems lately, not only i have to detect and remove hitbotters, but i have to remove honest webmasters trades because they are being hitbotted


I hate having to tell an honest guy i dont want his traffic cause 60% of his hits are artificial or even 60% of them are proxy hits which makes it suspicous


anyway, count me in for anything that will cause me to only trade with a webmaster community trade partner approval list

my only other question would be....is this only gonna be teen niche or will there be other niche traders in this circle?

[ludwik]

Count me too :)

I have over 20 domains with designs and with scripts ready to rock!

[manga]

You know, if there are only honest webmasters in this circle, and if you don't trade based on productivity, or have an auto-signup page, and trade more with perms you could even have a cj with no script at all. Just like Hoffman used to do with Ultradonkey. What did he use to say? "My brain works better than a script." I always liked that line. I'm probably turning back the clock a little too much with that one though. Never mind.

[DirkG]

With all these big names I dont feel worthy, but I to would like to join. I have a basic CJ2-TGP2 site running at docpussy.com but would like to try my hand at a full fledge CJ. You can email or ICQ me from my profile if you want to find out more about me.

[turbo]

you all are so full of yourselves. There is no for sure answer when it comes to any kind of business. What works for others, may not work for everyone else. I know for me, at least, that when I find something that's working for the moment, I sure as hell ain't gonna run and tell everyone, then it won't work anymore. cj sites faded out for any number of reasons, most of which I don't know, but they faded nonetheless. this post has turned into an asskissing session with a little 'my cock is bigger' thrown in for good measure. go ahead make your cjs again and I'll collect all the bookmarkers. lol :O)--~

look at it this way.... you have a department store with many different departments. Right? So if summer hits and no one needs coats, there is still a department that will be profitable...

and jeesh, if you all are such oldtimers, don't you think your 'success' would afford you the luxury of hiring someone to manage it for you? Instead you are on the boards trying to scrape up a few bucks, or ideas. I tell you one thing, If I had made 30k a month in 'the good ol' days' I sure the fuck woulda been retired by now, not still lurking on the message boards. For some of you, I think that this shit is your only form of social interaction. Sad, really.

[easy18s]

Its great that you guys are all comming together and comming up with new ideas or old ideas to make more money, But the key to making money, is not having a CJ site or a TGP site. Any of these sites can be profitable if done correctly. Let me put it this way, It is all in marketing. If you can sell a sponsor correctly you will make money. I am making the most money, from 1 single page, that I spend about $3,000 a month in advertising and in return I get about 10x that, and all this page has on it is sponsors and words that sell my sponsors. Making a website is one thing, But selling is another. Learn how to sell products, services and yourself. Then you will find that making money is alot easier than you thought. You cant just put a banner on your site, or a link that sais FREE PORN (especally when your site has free porn) and expect to make lots of money because you have 1. lots of traffic and 2. a sponsor, You must sell your sponsor to your customers (surfers) and when you find out how to sell to your surfers, Then you will find that you are making lots of money.

[chymp]

I'd like to know how you would retire off of $30k a month when you're probably not even 30 yet. You probably have 50+ years ahead of you, chum. Figure in expenses, do a little math and you realize that's not that much unless you've been making $30k for like 10 years and haven't been spending it.

[easy18s]

30k a month can easily be enough to retire on, did you know that the average person who retires has less than $10,000 saved. 30k a month is $360,000 a year. If you can save money and invest your money correctly, 30k a month is more than enough, becides anyone that is making 30k a month, I would hope is investing that money elsewhere for it to grow.

[ragnar]

Yo dudes you can count me in aswell just registered a new domain, script is waiting already

[turbo]

not even 30 yet? you flatter me. Thanks :o)--~ but how'd you know how good looking I am? Are you stalking me? Why don't you hit me up at phony@ROTFL.COM and we'll try and make a date.

The only way you couldn't retire off of 30k a month is if you really weren't making 30k a month. Duh?!

Anyways, please don't call me 'chum', I'm a little sensitive about name calling.

[Jer]

bump

[erotictrance]

This is just a general comment/question but ...

After a certain point, don't these scenarios fail to work anymore?

I realize that the surfers are, by and large, a bunch of freeloaders. But, at the same time, they also include the all important paying customers ...

When I buy stuff on the net ... whether it's straight or porn ... I usually visit a site first, think about it ... and purchase on the second or third visit ...

If I get trapped in pop-up hell or whatever ... I don't go back and, consequently, I don't buy anything ...

I realize that webmasters get frustrated and say, screw the freeloader if he doesn't buy anything ...

But, at the same time, aren't you also losing some money with these tactics?

Just curious ...

[erswebmaster]

Hey guys,
I've been following this thread and I too have found it very interesting.

I would very much like to get into this as I had already been leaning this direction and had been asking some others about cj.

I have a couple of sites out there both tgp's.

One is http://www.teegeepee.com
the other http://www.pornhallofshame.com

I would be willing to convert either one to cj the only problem is I don't have a whole lot of traffic to trade at this point.

I am still pretty new to this biz (started in July) and have been toying with my tgp's over the last couple of months but pretty much let them die in November due to personal reasons.

Anyway. If you guys would be willing to let me into this circle of sites it would be greatly appreciated and I would bust my ass to return any and all favors in helping me to become as productive as some of you are in trades etc.

eros

[Colin]

This sounds very interesting. I'd like to be involved.

[koon]

icq me if you need more CJ sites

[Doctor Dre]

Sup ! I read the whole thread and I'm very interested ... I could feed my cj site with few K (maybe 10-15k) fresh traffic per day :) count me in

[XP]

Thread is so long, I haven't read em all.
anyway, are we continue to CJ sites?

less free shit = more money !

[RaiDeN]

yup true XP. we're going to try.

well at leats i hope. i am able to feed in nicely also. i still have a few good ones making nice money, and i know many more have that. so... Let's get ready to ruuuuumble

[Rod]

I read the whole thread, and I think this will be a good idea to make good cash, like in the old days.

If everyone wants it, I would like to make the resources for it. I was running a part of cyclejerk.com with Duke and Killah (Jan) before...

I'll also prepare a domain for a CJ :)

Btw, I think we should make private...so we would only have to use a simple script, like ES....that would reduce the headaches :)

I also think we should only accept something like 50-60 webmasters in, with only 1 site per webmasters...that way, nobody will exploit the circle :)

Lemme know what you guys thinks about that...

And Smitty, you're a genius :)

Thanks,
Steve

[Doctor Dre]

Originally posted by Rod:
<STRONG>I read the whole thread, and I think this will be a good idea to make good cash, like in the old days.</STRONG>

Yep but there will be free shit floating arround but with the time it will make some cash

<STRONG> If everyone wants it, I would like to make the resources for it. I was running a part of cyclejerk.com with Duke and Killah (Jan) before...

I'll also prepare a domain for a CJ :)
</STRONG>

Yo rod I'l desing it and you code the database and everything

<STRONG>
Btw, I think we should make private...so we would only have to use a simple script, like ES....that would reduce the headaches :)
</STRONG>

Why not using all ucj ? UCJ KICK ASS and is very simple to use

<STRONG>
I also think we should only accept something like 50-60 webmasters in, with only 1 site per webmasters...that way, nobody will exploit the circle :)
</STRONG>

In 50-60 webmasters I'm 100 % sure somes are cheating ... That's why we should use more advanced scripts but limiting to only big players is good ... Newbees do everything wrong . I'm for accepting only big guys that can send few k per day in the circle .

<STRONG>
And Smitty, you're a genius :)
</STRONG>
Big change in the mind of everybody a year ago everybody was bashing on him lol :)

Anyways count me in this project and I'l bring a lot of traffic

[Dracula]

Finally someone who wants to make a resource about this new (old) movement. Very good...

I think is not so good to be so exclusive (limiting the number of webmasters) but every site should be approved first and then let into the circle.

Limiting the number of webmasters sounds bad to me...

[Dracula]

Hmmm Dre, looks like all of you think very exclusive. Good for you, probably bad for me :(

[Rod]

Dracula: limiting the amount of webmasters in means less cheaters in the circle...

Dre: for the designing thing and coding, it's ok for me...

For the 50 webmasters in, if we accept not enough webmasters in, the circle won't get a lot of traffic. Maybe 20-30 is enough tought...

For the UCJ thing, why should we use UCJ if nobody is cheaters?

I also thing that we shouldn't trade based on productivity, since this make a lot of troubles for nothing, in my book...

Thanks,
Steve

[Dracula]

Hehe, looks like all my support for this ideea was probably in vain...

I have to ask gently: "Can I be in?"

:D

[XP]

kewl thing.

[Doctor Dre]

What we should do is start a small circle of sites with only big webmasters (tgp or anythign that can provide good traffic) . It will start fast . after we will slowly enlarge the site .

[Doctor Dre]

Originally posted by Rod:
<STRONG>
I also thing that we shouldn't trade based on productivity, since this make a lot of troubles for nothing, in my book...
Thanks,
Steve</STRONG>

Troubles ? How come ... if somebody feed his site with crap traffic and he get good visitors in exchange it's not fear

[Rod]

yea...that is true :)
hehe...you're right Dre. Anyway, I'll be using a R5B4 script for my site :)

I just registered a domain for the resources....answer me over ICQ Dre :)

[Doctor Dre]

Yep icq fucked up :)

[D0b3rman]

Hey guys I suggested something like this awhile back but no one paid interest to it :(
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=010952

I want in too on this, can I join?

[blind]

You can count me in. I'll contribute a couple CJs actually.

Originally posted by matuloo:
<STRONG>ok we have few more :)

matuloo
RaiDeN
Pro
pauly
Darrell
AnthonyR
drumsicle
Dracula
donger

I have a domain that we could use for a site that would list the rules, member sites, blacklisted sites, there would be a message board and some other things as they would become neccesary. It would work like donger suggested - very strict rules, no lolita crap, we would set certain minimum of webmasters that have to approve site before it is allowed to trade with us etc, etc ... we would discuss it all, once the site is up.

Do you want me to do it and start working on that "portal" or is someone against?</STRONG>

[Smitty]

Rod,

You've made my night with your compliment. Thank you. :)

Jeff Smith
ICQ#: 7127736

[Rod]

welcome smitty :)

[kingping]

I remember when I used ES script back in 99, I traded with freepicturesgallery, dailytoons, dreamchicks, hoes, picwarehouse, massxxx, and a few others. Those were the day's when we only had to use 1 exit console..

-Nick
pinkworld.com

[Rod]

I heard you guys already started a resource for this CJ project...if you want, can I know the url...

Thanks,
Steve

[Tasefulbabes]

I'm back cjing, no one informed me about this :(


Anyways, please include me :)

[blacksmith]

Count me in, guys. As soon as everything starts over I'll get my new site up. I have some traffic to get it going. Some suggestions to the genius idea:

There must not be more than one enter console of a moderate size, that will preferably go to trades.

Only one exit console(preferably to trades). (We all know exit sponsors don't pay the money they used to. Let them become good again :)

JavaScript alert allowed

NO layers, scrollbars , etc.

The outside webmasters should not have the ability to add their sites. I'm for manual adding the people I trust.

The resource made for the coalition should have the list(password protected, if needed) and must contain FULL information about the sites in the list(nubber of consoles, free content, etc.) The list should be open to the members(ONLY) so, that it is no headache to detect cheaters.

A dedicated Bulletin board would be great also.

[blacksmith]

And yes, only ONE cj/webmaster.

[donger]

blacksmith - did you used to run a site back in the day?

[blacksmith]

Yes, I've been in the biz for 2 years and for 13 months already run my cjs. If you meant that

[Pussyfinger]

I have a site to convert also. Count me in

[blacksmith]

Hey, wassup guys? Why silent?
It's much polite and more honest - if you don't want me in the list - just say so instead of hiding.
Anyway, you could give a reason for that. Not very good of you guys. Not very.

[TT]

Gotta try this...count me in too....

[manga]

I'm just curious, but is this going to happen, or was everyone just reminiscing?

[TT]

hmmm.....nothing more seemed to happend in this thread...... just another thread with lots of talk but no action.... :(

[Jimbo]

Hi everyone,

Count me In with xpussyx.com (Will be redesigned and feeded more)

please don'T visit the site, it's a plain "mess" like smitty said so well, but it was the only way to survive back then :)

Also, I CAN CODE that script for voting on a new member site of the coalition (talked by Donger).

As for 1 site per webmaster, I don't think it will change anything for all of us you runs hundreds or even thousands of sites. But I don'T care to follow that rule :)

Regards

[hp]

Count me in aswell, would love to get the old CJ sites running again!

[kisslolita]

Hi People

I got a cj2 site that currently has 7k
It had around 10k a few days back, but it dropped.
I am new to this business, so any advice from people with experience would be taken with pleasure!
Productivity on the site is 140% (including galleries on my site that get around 20% of the traffic - so trade productivity is around 110%.)
Should I convert it to cj? will the productivity grow? Can you review the site and give me some proffessional advice? I accept all kind of critisizm, Reprimands and Pats on the back both hehe :)

Thanks....
url is kisslolita.net

Leon.

[Due]

Did not really realize what this post was all about untill now :D
Got rusianwhore.com running now as a clean CJ / CJ1.5 so anyone that wanna setup some trades can just contact me :)
Would also be great if people could post sites that already are running with the clean model and accept trades :)

[nic]

Hey Due. I'm bout to hit you up on icq. I got lolitababes.net up to 80k.

If anyone needs help. They can hit me up on icq: 3605392

Peace,
Nic

[Groovy]

what's the url of the resource website?

[sos2830]

I'm in !

But a bit confucete about who will organize it !

[Whiskey]

Has the holidays slowed this down?

I'm interested.

Is this invite only?

Whiskey

[FreZ]

Can someone more be invited into this?
I can atleast feed 20-30k into the circle from other sites.

FreZ

[sos2830]

Hi
What ever happened with this project ?

[GFED]

Sounds like a good project... I guess nothing became of it...

[sos2830]

GFED.....you're problably right !

How come a project like this didnt get of ?

[GFED]

There's suppose to be a project like this at http://www.cjmasters.net/ but it isn't getting anywhere. More people need to be interested to make it work. I guess this thread was just bunch of talk too.