How much does it Cost to make your own Server?

[Rio2000]

Hi,

Any body knows how much does it Cost to rent your own T1 line and buy some hardware? I’m thinking to get my own T1 line and buy some server.
And have my own server?
But I’m not shore it worth it to go throw this hassle or not?
I’m getting sick and tired to pay hosting company for Bandwidth every month.
Any suggestion.

Thanks,

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

[playa]

a hosting company is more than just a server and connection to the net,,,

the problem with getting a t1 to your house is the hardware expenses,, fiber to the house can be costly,,, atleast 3-8k

then also the line can cost a pretty penny also,,, depends on how long of a contract you are willing to sign,, but it can range between 500-1500 a month... usually does not include installation fees..

then sooner or later once you grow,, you gonna find out you need a bigger pipe,, then what you gonna do?

bottom line,,, its not worth it

[Coke]

Your own T1 costs anywhere from $700 to $1500 per month depending on where you live. Some of these companies give you also a router which should be fine for that kind of traffic. This only gives you 1.5mb/s though which is not even nearly sufficient for adult webhosting. If you get posted on thehun one day your sites will be so slow that your visitors will think they're all down.

Then you need a server. That runs you at about $800-$1500 depending on what kind of configuration you want.
You also mustn't forget a hub (you won't need a switch for 1.5mb/s :) ). That will likely cost about $50 or so. It's been a long time since I bought the last hub, so I don't know it exactly.

Paying only $750 for 1.5mb/s with that quality (it's really bad quality :) ) is quite steep though. It's much better to get professional service from a hosting company for less money.

Regards,

[darksoft]

You can get a switch, which IS recommended, for about $50. A $1500 server will kick serious ass with the way prices are nowadays. You can probably get by for less than $1000 easily, especially if you know how to install and configure Linux.

[Coke]

Yes but there isn't much difference between a $50 switch and a hub. Why should he get a switch for 1.5mb/s? That server is likely to be the only one connected to that hub anyway.

[Rio2000]

According to this website http://www.pcmech.com/byos/index.htm even if you have only cable connection you able to build your own server, please read tell me what you think?
We know cable connection is cheap.
:confused:

[*Kimmykim*]

First and most important issue is how much traffic you intend to have at a given time.

As mentioned above, one day on the hun or someone like that will slow you to a crawl and a T1 is a finite amount of bandwidth -- nothing you can do to push more thru it when it tops out.

The actual box itself is no big deal, but you will also have to have at least a marginal knowledge of routing to get good traffic into your server.

You'll also probably get only an IP or 2 at best, something else to think about.

If you only paid say 750 for 1.5 mbs, that is still more expensive than going to a host, since most hosts are in the 500 and below per mbs range right now, including support, email access, etc...

[salsbury]

if you get your own T1, you have to run your own NOC. you have no assistance if your server dies or your T1 drops. and, good luck with the phone company on that T1 - even at that rate, you're still not important enough for them to care about your service. you're so much better off colocating.

[darksoft]

If you think a switch and a hub are the same perhaps you need to learn a little more about networking :)

[gse]

switch and hub are not the same, lol

also if you build the server for $1,5k it will be very basic, not that much horsepower to run extensive adult sites

[Coke]

Don't worry, I know the difference between a switch and a hub.

But the premium quality switch you get for $50 at ebay or wherever isn't going to make your day. Thus you're better off buying a hub for the same price which is then at least a quality hub.

Do you get my point now?

Also, as I mentiond: If you get a switch or a hub is not important in this case because he only has 1 server connected to it and whether he has full duplex or not isn't important either. He can only push 1.5mb/s anyway so why should he even buy a switch? Maybe you can enlighten me as you seem to be the expert here.

[gse]

how you gonna run named service if you have only one server? You need at least 2 unless you rent secondary dns from a friend.

[Coke]

It's better for him to use the registrar's or some other "DNS-provider"'s nameservers anyway.

[gse]

Originally posted by Coke:
<STRONG>It's better for him to use the registrar's or some other "DNS-provider"'s nameservers anyway.</STRONG>

when it comes to dns I don't think so

[Coke]

No offense intented, but I doubt he knows how to maintain a nameserver or even how to create a zone file.

[gse]

he doesn't need to know.
use redhat it comes with nice utilities. Very little manual work required

[gse]

and about T1 to your house, don't forget local loop..
haha

[Coke]

Sure, there's always a way.

Some T1 quotes already come with the local loop fees being included. You just need to shop around.

[dplaymax]

A t1 line is going to run you between 800-1200bucks per month. For 1.5Mbps of bandwidth. Factor in a router, and DSU/CSU and you are spending alot of money for hardly any bandwidth.

I think its much smarter to host with someone and get 3 times the bandwidth for the same cost. Not to mention on a 1.5Mbps connection, the most you are going to ever average will be like .5Mbps

Anyway - that's my opinion..

Max

[Penrod]

Have you thought about redundancy? What if your T1 fails? What if you power Why don't you give me the specs on the machine you want to build and how much bandwidth you transfer monthly and I will put together a quote for you on buying the machine outright or leasing it.
www.candidhosting.com (http://www.candidhosting.com)

We will not be beaten on price.

[gse]

the guy asked opinions about t1, not for fucking spam

[playa]

Originally posted by Rio2000:
<STRONG>According to this website http://www.pcmech.com/byos/index.htm even if you have only cable connection you able to build your own server, please read tell me what you think?
We know cable connection is cheap.
:confused:</STRONG>

hehe,, let me unconfuse you,,, don't even think about it,, your not gonna save money,,,,if you ever seen a data center then you know why its important that you get set up with a good host,,,

[darksoft]

Coke,

You can get a decent switch for $50 at almost any computer parts store that is far better than a hub. Tell me, what happens to the bandwidth you feed into a hub vs. the bandwidth you feed into a switch? You stating that it's only 1.5 Mb and he doesn't need a switch tells me you have no idea what you are talking about.

You one of those backyard technicians by chance? :)

[Amputate Your Head]

I run DNS, WEB, Mail, & FTP server off a T1... everything is just groovy. It's not a big deal.

However.... it DOES take some (hell... it takes alot) of tech saavy and know-how of things like Apache, Perl, networking... blah blah blah... depending on the different applications you wanna use it for.... and that's not something you can buy at the store. The box itself is theeasiest part... take a couple grand down to the local systems store, get a big fucking shopping cart, & start picking up some components.

Now... before everyone trips on this... I DO NOT run gallerys or other extremely high waste traffic off this. What everyone else has said is completely correct... a good Hun or AL4A listing will effectively take you offline for all intents and purposes. But you CAN host some moderate traffic stuff.

Don't stress over the nameserver issue... if you use OpenSRS, you can put in a bogus secondary and just delete it after registration.

And no.... I have no redundancy. (Secondary dns) But believe me... most of these fucking shitty freehosts don't have any real redundancy either. No big deal... but good gear... don't fucking skimp on it and buy shitty cheap crap... and you won't have too many worries. But keep in mind... when you're down... baby, you are down.

My two.... no, three fucking cents worth.

[gse]

when it comes to routers and switches for the network - I wouldn't touch cheap shit for $50. If you get T1, pay for fucking Cisco switch and get piece of mind.

The reason anyone would want to get T1 or OC3 for this matter is cause you want to be the boss here. You can actually touch the freaking server and not wait for anyone's ass to make simple dns update or whatever when you need it. All too common with hosting resellers.

and I know - used to rent 3 dedicated for $4,2k per month myself from some 'hosting company' and always was down, cheap hardware, clooged lines. Fuck it if you ask me :)

[Coke]

An OC3 at home is a little more than $4.2k though :)

Most of the times you don't save money by hosting yourself at home unless you use DSL or cable which are really no good options though. They aren't designed to constantly transfer traffic 24/7 so you will experience a) slowness and b) downtime if your equipment stops working as it should be.

In my opinion the reason why people want to do that at home is not because they're the boss then (it's definitely also a reason but not the main reason) but to save money. It just sounds tempting if you can get a 1mb/s DSL for $49 per month. The problem is that if you do run into problems you've got real problems. Nobody's going to help you and your local ISP doesn't care.

[gse]

lot of broadband companies went out of business past year and dsl prices didn't drop. I see even dialup prices go up lately.

Theoretically you can run webserver on dsl (if they give you static ip) but practically it's way too shitty..

If you run T1 to your bedroom, you're not going to save shit, but you will be your own boss

[Amputate Your Head]

You can do it with dhcp IP too if you have a good enough router.

[Rio2000]

With DSL and computer server can I build my own server? To able post my movie galleries?

Ps: Noting fancy only HTML pages?
If the answer is yes, how much data transfer or bandwidth can I get? :confused: :confused:

[Coke]

Yes, theoretically you can host your galleries off SDSL. Most SDSL accounts come with 512kb/s so you shouldn't try to transfer more than 100GB per month with a SDSL.

[gse]

I don't think you wanna do it on adsl

most sdsl aren't that cheap to justify the trouble

the best bet for you is colocation. We started doing lot of those for nonadult clients - works a treat. we build custom servers and give 3 years warranty on hardware (screw dell, lol). No spam here was intended.
But seriously just find a company you comfortable with and build your box and colocate there.
This is as close at it gets to being your own boss without fucking with local loops and routers. ;)

[erotictrance]

Great thread ...

I agree that it doesn't make sense to host at home at this point ...

Not only because of the costs but the long term contracts kill any flexibility for upgrades to handle traffic etc ...

But I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts about the future ... Will T1 and T3 prices come down? Will long term contracts still be standard? Will there be alternatives to the phone company on this?

Just curious ...

[Rio2000]

What kind of SDLS plan do I need to have my own server and able transfer 100GB per month with a SDSL?

144/144 SDSL - $129.95 a month plus installation and equipment charges.
192/192 SDSL - $134.95 a month plus installation and equipment charges.
384/384 SDSL - $169.95 a month plus installation and equipment charges.
768/768 SDSL - $229.95 a month plus installation and equipment charges.
1.1/1.1 SDSL - $269.95 a month plus installation and equipment charges.
1.5/1.5 SDSL - $299.95 a month plus installation and equipment charges.

[Coke]

The 768kb/s one ($229 per month). That's not really cheaper than a professional host.

True, you shouldn't try to do this on ADSL as ADSL upstream bandwidth is not the same as the downstream, and for hosting servers you expeciailly need to have a good upstream.

[gse]

Originally posted by Coke:
<STRONG>The 768kb/s one ($229 per month). That's not really cheaper than a professional host.

True, you shouldn't try to do this on ADSL as ADSL upstream bandwidth is not the same as the downstream, and for hosting servers you expeciailly need to have a good upstream.</STRONG>

yeah well. we have a nonadult company that wanted to host their stuff on sdsl. The problem there was that their dls would periodically go down. So they asked us to develop application which allows to update their dns on the fly when dsl downtime detected. We did that. And they still run their website and database on their dsl.

so why not. lol