How much $$$?

[Sieg]

Everybody here was rather unkind to poor Housearrest in his recent post. He got mostly smartass replies to a good question. Shame.

The ultimate question is: Do you want new CJ webmasters to join the club or not?

If yes (probably a good idea--it will increase the pool of traffic for everybody) then you have to tell them how much money they stand to earn with their investment of time and money. The most powerful scripts cost up to $2000 -- who will risk that unless he knows how he will earn it back? It can take months to earn $2000 with free galleries, which is how most people break in. Is CJ any different?

Killah's cyclejerk is an excellent introduction, thank you very much K, but the story there is not complete. Killah gives an example of a 25k/day site generating $900-$1800+/month depending on exit broker. Is this typical? Where can somebody find other stats to verify this? It would help if you old-timers would give other examples on the board from time to time (you can disguise identities), especially of the BIG money a person can make. Nothing will more stimulate a newbie than the thought that he can soon make $10,000+/month jerking surfers around in circles if he only works hard and smart enough.

Another question to help newbies: how can somebody get started with little or no money, so he can test the concept and see how it works before spending $1000-2000 for a script? What are the limitations on non-script sites? How do you set one up? Killah--the answers might make a useful page at cyclejerk.

So, do you want to be evangelists? Remember that newbies are always reading this board looking for answers. Talk about $$$$$.

[Juggler]

Sieg

IMHO it is an impossible question to answer it would mainly depend on how much the webmaster knows and how much work they put in. What could earn one webmaster $100 could earn another $1000+ and another $0. As far as telling a possible new CJ webmaster he could soon be earning $10,000 a month you would have to be crazy unless you know that webmaster really well.

It is impossible to say you will earn $$$ if you start a CJ site without knowing the webmaster well, I know there is a least 1 webmaster running cj sites that can not even write a webpage would it be fair to say he could earn $10,000 a month I think not. Of course some of the more experienced webmasters would be able to earn that with a problem but then they have put a lot of hours into learning making contact and building a business.

As far as talking $$$$ the only thing I see could be said is you could earn anything from $0 - $1,000,000,000,000 a month. It is not a matter of being unkind it is just one of those question that the answer is going to be differn't for every webmaster

[richard]

More and more webmasters DOES NOT increase the traffic in teh circle.

It only makes our existing share SMALLER.

In my opinion, we dont need newbies.

Might be a harsh attidude, but i would welcome them only if they had a site of reasonable size getting traffic to PUT IN to the circle.

Richard.

[Crazyman]

It´s easy to look down on newbees.... But please think that you have been there your self http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif
And people talking about: not wanting new webmasters in CJ???.... have they lost there mind or what... we need new and fresh traffic to our sites.. or am i wrong??
Take me for an example: I have about 3500 SE traffic a day and am i making any money on that.. http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

I dont really like when the "big" guys ignoring and making fun of newbees http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif

But thats me... http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[demoman]

Richard, don't you think it''s kinda egoistic to say that? I mean you was a newbie too, you had to learn all the stuff from others.. or do I see this wrong?

[WEJERKUHARD]

Well it is no question of being a newbie:
just make sure you have traffic on your site say 5-10k at least to start one! and dont cheat other sites with img src-hitbot crapps and dont think your going to get rich in one month either, i think newbies are welcomed if they have a good amount of traffic to start with.

just my .002 cents worth..

[Juggler]

Crazyman demoman CHILL no is looking down on newbies and Richard was far from being egoistic read what he wrote, I totally agree with him. Just because someone starts a new CJ site it does not mean there is going to be more fresh traffic coming in a lot of new sites just set up trades and feed of the traffic and they do NOTHING to bring in fresh traffic.

Nobody jumped on newbies and any webmaster that is willing to work at getting a good site togeather bringing in fresh traffic will proberbly do well but as for the newbies who just see this as a way to earn a quick buck is not going to be welcomed. Of course you 2 seem to think we should just encourage EVERY webmaster to start a CJ site so next time I am ICQed for a trade by a webmaster who can't write a webpage and does not have a clue what they are doing rather than telling them to start some free sites to learn more about site layout etc I will send them over to you for trades as you seem to think it is a good idea. Come on get real what do you expect webmasters to say yes it is a great idea that every newbie start a CJ site and why don't we all force them 1000 hits a day to get them started that way they would have great sites.

It is not a matter of looking down on newbies it is a matter of being honest there is a lot more to running a CJ site than sticking up a few pages and setting up a few trades. Most of us have been running sites for a while and I can't speak for anyone else but I know I still have a lot to learn.

[richard]

Thanks Juggler.

True, i was a newbie.

But when myself and my partner started the CJ sites, we had a movie site that got 50k/day, and _invested_ without guarentee of any returns in LinkX and subsequently Blind-IO.

All i am saying, is that lots and lots of newbies can really fuck things up (guys, remember the good old free scripts...)

Thats why i am a fan of $2000 scripts - it keeps away ALOT of newbies, which is good.

My advice would be to get traffic first, galleries, SE, friends, whatever.

Cant remember who said this, but traffic TRADING means TRADING your traffic with other sites, not recycling other people's.

Crazyman, as for your 3500 SE traffic, my ICQ is 41012160 http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Richard.

[MrBrian]

I think like in all aspects of life, its good to help people out. especially in this business. when i first started there werent too many sites out there. i actually remember when i first found the huns site when it was still on a virtual server(www.something.nl/~veerbeek or something like that) back in early '96.
it was tough getting people to help you back then.
but, i think now people realize things can happen pretty rapidly. take thumbzilla.com for instance. i remember people laughing at his top 30 where the number #1 referral was 150 last winter. Now he is probably pushing close to 200k uniques a day.
the biz is all about networking. cj is probably the best example. i sent you 10 hits, and you send me 10 hits back. i think icq should get an AVN award for helping all webmasters.
so, my answer is the more, the merrier and it wont hurt if you bring in some fresh traffic http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[demoman]

I agree with you, we don't need newbies to bring in fresh traffic i think, but I do think we can help newbies. I thought Richard meant we shouldn't help newbies http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif Sorry for misunderstanding.

By the way, my new scorpion site is opening soon and i'm already looking forward to trade with you guys. i'll post a message about it...

[Sieg]

I think this has been a useful discussion. Everybody has a piece of the truth. What I get out of this is:

1) Newbies are a good idea if they are smart, learn fast and bring lots of new traffic. They aren't welcome if they just mooch and reduce everybody else's fraction of total traffic, but then they don't stand to earn a lot, either.

2) It is *possible* to earn massive $$, but the actual amount will vary widely according to cleverness, effort and traffic contributed.

What I was asking was not how much a newbie *will* earn but how much he *could* earn, following the example of people who are already doing it right. Seems to me the experienced guys should continue to post their ideas on the right approach (I see periodic pleas for more new traffic) so no lurker thinks he can jump in and suck the big tit without contributing.

[Phunk]

I guess being a newbee or not is not the question here, more likely the question would be if the CJ site in question is bringing in valuable new traffic or just being a vulture on the ring as it is?

I see loads of sites claiming to bring in a shit load of SE traffic daily, which in my experience is impossible for most sites, newbee or not.

Kim / ICQ #5033313

[Jimbo]

I think newbies should practice HTML and learn what surfers likes to click before entering CJ World http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

the guys that can bring 3500 SE traffic ICQ me #3602093 ... never got more than like 400 hits from SE ...

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[run]

I think all of this begun when someone asked "how much can i get from a CJ site?"...
Still no one seems to have answered the question. I started my first CJ site a month ago, and i have earned $4500 that month.

Now the newbie thing: i hate them guys when they come on my ICQ and start asking questions like "where can i get pix of britney spears, i REALLY need it...". That kinda newbies that charge their parents' credit cards to get a script and have no idea what HTML is, to my opinion is a total disaster.

But there are newbies that run numerous non script sites, paysites toplists etc and who do it for living and who enjoy it. These are welcome. They can give the fresh traffic and ideas.

And the final: if you think that starting a CJ site is somewhat like a miracle where the $$$ fall down from the sky, then go get yourself a job at McDonalds, because you are a total moron.

PS and the $2000/script thing. I dont know if that is a good idea, because i couldnt afford that, and i have spent about a week to write my own script.

[sandman]

Sieg if you are looking for a decent script that does not cost $2000 icq me i got one thats only $200 and works pretty well http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif


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[TheJimmy]

It's odd how the definition of a CJ site has changed....I had heard of CJs back a few years ago before LinkX and ES came onto the scene....

Back then from what I gather it was more a description of "how a site was laid out", the html, consoles, etc....

Seems as if we define them today by scripts...don't get me wrong, I'm ALL for automation....but some of the replies in this room were very appropriate...

1st, learn how to get those surfers "clickin"...clicky hits is good for the wallet...window closers are not....NO script can do that for ya...it's all about the site layout http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

that's my .2 cents...type-atcha-later

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