per call vs per min dialer [Archive] - Adult Webmaster Info BBS

terminator

08-24-2001, 09:25 AM

Most of you know there are 2 types of dialers around. one is a per min.The other is per call. Lets all do the math and see what pays better!

with per min, the surfer comes back on average 2-3times in the same month.

with per call the surfer knows that the charge lasts for 1 month. so chances are after the months up he won't come back.

now lets do the math:
1)per call:
webmaster gets $8 for one surfers call

2)per min: webmaster gets .75 per min. average hold time is about 10mins. that equals 7.50 for the webmaster. surfer comes back on average 2-3 times in the same month.We know this from recorded ani files (phone numbers recorded every time a surfer calls for billing purposes)

so lets say the surfer comes back only once in the month. Thats now a total of $15. for the webmaster.

summary... $15 for a per min dialer in a month, is better than $8 per call for a month, so i know what i would go for as a webmaster.

if per call was so wonderful why havent ..
the big players like us gone for it??
The answer is simple....it makes less money for both the webmaster and for us!!!

thought we should set the record straight .

regards,
dialerking.com
somthing big is coming!

Dan S

08-24-2001, 12:50 PM

Our drop charge dialer gives out passes valid for 7 days. Now go and do the math again http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

08-24-2001, 12:55 PM

DanS,

Do you have a dialer like that I can use with my members area? Please lmk.

Al
allen@acninc.net

WiredGuy

08-24-2001, 12:58 PM

I tend to disagree with your statement saying the surfer won't come back with per call. This becomes an identical payment scheme to credit card memberships. If they're about $30 for a one month membership, I would believe this would give similiar holds to credit card paysites.

WG

subog

08-24-2001, 01:23 PM

.75 per min is too high.

Dan S

08-24-2001, 01:25 PM

Al,

we can give you a dialer for your own members area.

Please send email to dan@cashpercall.com
or ICQ 11795232

candidpublishinginc

08-24-2001, 05:17 PM

I think both per call and per minute have their advantages.

The thing you have to keep in mind terminator is your dialer charges the surfer 8 dollars a minute while the per call charges 39.99 for 7 or 30 solid days of access. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

mr man

08-24-2001, 05:46 PM

Terminator, I actually agree with what your saying, you make more money with the per minute dialer then you will with the drop charge dialer. It's better for the webmaster, but the drop charge dialer is better for the surfer.

I would be a little nervous to use your dialer again though man, you charge $7.99 per minute for the usa. From what I heard, you are going to be in serious trouble with chargebacks very soon. $7.99 chargebacks run about 80%, from what people in the know tell me. Word is that you don't have much time left.

Jer

08-24-2001, 05:49 PM

Yep. $39.95 for 1 whole week / month is much better than 40 bucks for 5, 10 or 15 minutes http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Jer

08-24-2001, 05:51 PM

A international per call dialer would rock ! Hehehe. But it's impossible. (I believe)

terminator

08-24-2001, 06:43 PM

mr man,
that "serious trouble" rumour is from compeditors using scare tatics to lure you away from dialerking.com
our chargebacks are less than 30% because we have a great customer service back end.
Don't believe everything you hear if it isnt direct from us.

regards,
dialerking.com

notr

08-24-2001, 06:59 PM

Hey
Just thought I'd give Dan S a hand. Most of you know Dan S is a reseller of mine and a good one might I add.

Now terminator.

Let's look at it this way
10 min at 7.99 a min = 79.90
7 days at 40-45$ = savings of over 30 dollars. That's not all 10 min VS 7 days. I wont even get into that.

I dont see GIB in here telling people how good their dialer is compared to the drop charge dialers... Especially that they are running one at the moment ;p

The only reason I would think competition would start such a thread is because they dont want to lose their webmasters to the percall dialers... Oh well.

You guys can hit me up anytime

Peace
Abby Gnanendran
http://www.percalldialers.com
Trans World Telecom Inc
UIN: 107027405
E-Mail: notr@percalldialers.com

candidpublishinginc

08-24-2001, 07:00 PM

Less the 30% chargebacks is bull and you know it dialerking http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Your so called "customer service" is a hotmail email account. I saw it at the end of the dialer preamble.

notr

08-24-2001, 07:02 PM

Hotmail does have great customer support http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Abby

Dan S

08-24-2001, 07:07 PM

Mr Man, did you try this new beast called drop charge dialer already, or how can you agree?

I agree to both dialers have advantages for the webmaster, but only one for the surfer.

It is better for the surfer, but it is not bad for the webmaster either.

Lets face it.
A surfer is callin a per minute dialer.
If he is lucky he is paying $2.99, if he gets fucked good he is paying $7.99 per minute.

For a 10 minute call he is paying between $29.90 and $79.90.
Thats for 10 minutes worth of internet porn http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif
The webmaster is making between $7.50 and $10.00 if the call is from US.

Our dialer charges $45 for a 7 days unlimited access, he can connect to our members site with his normal ISP. You are getting paid atleast $8.00.

Now where is the disadvantage for us webmaster?

terminator

08-24-2001, 07:09 PM

candid,
when a customer rings our numbers we respond..i am not talking about email addresses. yes les than 30%!!!

reply to notr
"The only reason I would think competition would start such a thread is because they dont want to lose their webmasters to the percall dialers... Oh well."

Notr do you really think we couldnt start a per call dialer?? give me 60mins and we would have one up and going!!! the reason we dont is it makes less for everyone.

i challange anyone to try a per min dialer for 1 month. then try a drop charge dialer for 1 month...then see the big difference!

good luck.

dialerking.com
somthing big is coming!

Dan S

08-24-2001, 07:09 PM

Notr beat me again http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

DAMIEN-X

08-24-2001, 07:20 PM

I have some hot per-call dialers running at $8 per call, hit me up if interested ICQ 15495114

Thanks

Dan S

08-24-2001, 07:27 PM

Terminator, did you get a secret account here? Or how do you know how bad it does?

Right now we have only USA active, and webmasters doing even better with US only than with regular dialers. Most likely not all but a good bunch.

I for once havent seen conversions like I have with my personal dialer for some time.

Yep, I am talking conversions, and not holdtimes. I would prefer to compare a drop charge dialer with a recurring partnership, rather than a per minute charge.

Simon

08-24-2001, 07:41 PM

I will pay anyone looking to do per call dialer
$8.50/call and $9/call if you do more then 20 /day. I will send out your payments ones every 2 weeks. I got couple of webmasters doing 30 - 35 calls/day.

So for those of you that are looking for per call dialers hit me up on icq 8566256.

Simon

notr

08-24-2001, 08:04 PM

Terminator

60min 59sec
58sec
57sec...

I'll post back in 60min hopefully you have it running http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Ok guys why not leave at this and call it a Tie...

Per min VS Per Call
They bought have their advantages and disadvantages.

Agree?

Peace
Abby Gnanendran
http://www.percalldialers.com
Trans World Telecom Inc
UIN: 107027405
E-Mail: notr@percalldialers.com

Doctor Dre

08-24-2001, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by terminator:
mr man,
that "serious trouble" rumour is from compeditors using scare tatics to lure you away from dialerking.com
our chargebacks are less than 30% because we have a great customer service back end.
Don't believe everything you hear if it isnt direct from us.

// I don't beleive nothing from you too =p
regards,
dialerking.com

Doctor Dre

08-24-2001, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by terminator:
mr man,
that "serious trouble" rumour is from compeditors using scare tatics to lure you away from dialerking.com
our chargebacks are less than 30% because we have a great customer service back end.
Don't believe everything you hear if it isnt direct from us.

regards,
dialerking.com

I don't beleive nothing from you too!

candidpublishinginc

08-24-2001, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by terminator:
candid,
when a customer rings our numbers we respond..i am not talking about email addresses. yes les than 30%!!!


Funny how everytime I called, I just got a voice mail. I called the numbers on your dialerking.com web site.

Also where would they even see this customier service number?

I called your dialer several times and never got a customer service number on my bill.

terminator

08-24-2001, 08:41 PM

candid...is this attack at us somthing to do with you launching your own dialer?
i think so!!!

i wish you luck with your new venture.

regards,
dialerking.com
somthing big is coming!

candidpublishinginc

08-24-2001, 08:51 PM

Dialerking,

No it's not an attack.

It's the truth.

I can even scan in my phonebills if you'd like.

euphamon

08-24-2001, 09:52 PM

So would it be a good or bad idea to market them both and give the surfer an informed choice of the two dialer options?
I mean new=good, so maybe the per call?

I like relating to the surfer and informing, course informing about the positivs more than the negatives, and making the negatives seem insignificant, but informing all the same.

just my 2cents

euph

candidpublishinginc

08-24-2001, 09:53 PM

I wouldn't market them both at once....but try marking one for one week and the other for one week and see which one will do better for you.

notr

08-24-2001, 10:00 PM

terminator

To me it's like you wanted this to happen or something. Why would you start a topic like this?

He just pointed out a few of the things which you left unclear. I wish him good luck too http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

euphamon

I would have to agree with candid on this one. Try one at a time it's the best way to do it and Yes informing the surfer would be the best way (in per call dialers case that is) I doubt you would want to put something like "7.99$ a min" to promote the per min dialer.

Sometimes you got to do what you got to do ;p

Peace
Abby Gnanendran
http://www.percalldialers.com
Trans World Telecom Inc
UIN: 107027405
E-Mail: notr@percalldialers.com

terminator

08-25-2001, 03:30 AM

notr said :"To me it's like you wanted this to happen or something. Why would you start a topic like this?"

notr, we are proberly the biggest dialer company out there, and we would like to offer friendly advice to webmasters.

so to prove my point dialerking.com will do pay per call dialers as of next week and then you cannot say that we are saying this because we dont do those dialers. We will even pay the webmasters more than anybody else.

In the end its a merry-go-round.
If we keep the webmasters happy with $$$, service and friendly advice, they stay with us and keep loyal to us. So it's in our best interests to do the right thing by ALL WEBMASTERS.

dialerking.com
somthing big is coming!

massivex

08-25-2001, 03:48 AM

they are about the same to me http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Groovy

08-25-2001, 11:37 AM

seems on what side you are, for webmasters it's much better to use per min.

for the callers it's beter to use per call...

so what do you want?

haha http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif i know what i want!

mr man

08-25-2001, 12:54 PM

Terminator, you are not the biggest dialer company out there, not even close, I think your living in fantasy land. There is a little company out there named gib that has been around a little while http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Also, I have it from an excellent source who DID say your time is limited because of that $7.99 number. I hope it doesn't happen to you, but from what I hear you got a big bill coming from ATT.

notr

08-25-2001, 01:07 PM

"if per call was so wonderful why havent ..
the big players like us gone for it??"

I like that one... Now all of a sudden you want to open one up to "prove me wrong" a whole bunch of crap.

Anyways keep thinking your the biggest company out there, and you have the best hotmail trained staff out there http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

BTW if you ever need a designer you can use my boy he makes all of our sites and has nothing to do this week.

P.S. http://www.porndrive.net/att.jpg
the first 2 charges are from your dialer terminator. I dont see any support numbers on it.

Keep On Dreamin'

Abby

terminator

08-25-2001, 07:12 PM

notr
going by that jpg you posted in your last post,nice to see your trying our product!!

now why would you try our product first on your bill?? maybe because we are such a small player... rfol!!!

Notr enjoy it while it lasts. Dialerking launches pay per call this week and will pay bigger money than you....we also have somthing big launching as well.

2 new products in one week!

good luck http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

dialerking.com
somthing big is coming!

terminator

08-25-2001, 07:40 PM

mr man, that rumour is an old one.. been around for a while now, and created by a guy who runs another dialer company.He used it to scare people away from us with no luck.
Please come up with somthing new.

People can say whatever they want just providing they spell our name right! http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

gib is a big player...but i can only think of 2 on this baord that are still gib resellers now. It used to be everybody..but that was then and this is now. There are new players in the market place.

regards,
dialerking.com
somthing big is coming!

candidpublishinginc

08-25-2001, 08:26 PM

Funny how you said per call dialers suck, but now you're going to launch on yourself.

Also you didn't answer his question about the customer service number.

How do the customers call you? There's no number in the dialer or the bill?

Any chance you can post your customer service number so the webmasters here can see the superb quality control that it has?

Also, I love how you spam your website every post you make even though sigs aren't allowed here.

Keep up the good work Bruce. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

terminator

08-25-2001, 08:34 PM

gee candid, you where such a nice guy before. what happened to you? i think greed took over your personality.because you are trying to launch your own dialer.

funny because i was going to offer you 120k hits a day to buy from our sex site this week, because i see candid has a really good pay per click program. oh well.

Michael i liked you before you got this pole up your bum.take the pole out and i will like you again http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

regards,
dialerking
somthing big is coming!

candidpublishinginc

08-25-2001, 08:38 PM

Gee Bruce,

You seemed like such a nice guy yourself.

Until we figured out that you lie all the time.

So Bruce...how about that customer service number? Or are you going to try to sleaze by and not give it out?

candidpublishinginc

08-25-2001, 08:39 PM

Oh and bruce we don't need your trffic. We have plenty of good webmasters sending us traffic.

terminator

08-25-2001, 08:50 PM

michael...the numbers for our usa office and uk office is on our site under contact us.

michael like i told you before mci not at&t.
check your bill for that dirty chat number..was it mci? we use both but prefer mci as there are much less chargebacks. also at&t have now introduced a reserve fund where they take 25% starting sept 1.

do you oil your pole daily now??

cheers,

dialerking.com
somthing big is happening

candidpublishinginc

08-25-2001, 09:03 PM

Yes the phone sex number was indeed mci, but that doesn't mean that the dialer number is an mci number.

Also I clearly asked for your dialer number and instead you gave me a phone sex number.

Oh and if you're talking about the customer service numbers in dialerking.com....they all lead to a voicemail.

If you're talking about some sort of customer service number on your dialer pay site, well i didn't see one when I was there and I doubt any surfer would too considering they are being billed 7.99 a minute. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Well I am done here. I leave it to the webmasters to decide who is right and who is wrong. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

lisa-the-slut

08-25-2001, 09:22 PM

I have been using WMMEXE's Drop charge dialer for 2 months now... I think it is great for the surfers becase they don't get that huge phone bill and I have been makng great $$$ too. I don't think it is right to charge $8.00/minute, $2.99/minute seems a bit more fair!

What I like most about WMMEXE's dialers, that I have not seen with the other dialers is that they can route the international traffic to a pay per minute dialer ( http://wmmexe.com/dropcharge.html ). This allows you not to lose your foriegn traffic and get paid per minute on that traffic.

http://wmmexe.com?lisa (just incase you are not already using their dialer) http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Lisa

notr

08-25-2001, 10:23 PM

Terminator

"notr
going by that jpg you posted in your last post,nice to see your trying our product!!
now why would you try our product first on your bill?? maybe because we are such a small player... rfol!!!"

One of my friend just read this and asked me to point out you have a mentality of a kid heh... He's a teacher for an elementary school and he's like "gee this guys like the kids i encouter everyday at work"

Now explaim me what the u being "such a big player" and me trying out the dialer on my phone bill have to do with anything? I just wanted to see how your system works and obviously there was no number for someone to call you "superb customer service" if they got charged.

THis is regarding your customer support and why your chargebacks are so low due to that fact. Are you telling me the user who just got charged will try and find out who made the software and go to dialerking.com and leave a voicemail? Better yet E-Mail the excellent hotmail crew you have onboard.

Regarding enjoying my dialer while it last. I will. I dont see why there isn't any room for one more, personally I like it that you finally decided to agree with us.

The way I see it now is, YOU used this post as an excuse to open up your own... tsk tsk tsk

Anyways I would have to agree with candid and leave it up to the surfers. Just looks like a little jealous competition fighting over each other.. There are alternatives rather than using this board.

lisa-the-slut

I would have to agree on that with you. Then again I have people promoting the dialer because they absolutely dont want to "fuck" their surfers. I am of course working on the permin add-on hopefully sometime mid september it should be ready, feel free to drop me a line if you would like to know more.

I'm out
Abby

Saddam Hussein 2001

08-25-2001, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by notr:
Terminator

"notr
going by that jpg you posted in your last post,nice to see your trying our product!!
now why would you try our product first on your bill?? maybe because we are such a small player... rfol!!!"

One of my friend just read this and asked me to point out you have a mentality of a kid heh... He's a teacher for an elementary school and he's like "gee this guys like the kids i encouter everyday at work"

Now explaim me what the u being "such a big player" and me trying out the dialer on my phone bill have to do with anything? I just wanted to see how your system works and obviously there was no number for someone to call you "superb customer service" if they got charged.

THis is regarding your customer support and why your chargebacks are so low due to that fact. Are you telling me the user who just got charged will try and find out who made the software and go to dialerking.com and leave a voicemail? Better yet E-Mail the excellent hotmail crew you have onboard.

Regarding enjoying my dialer while it last. I will. I dont see why there isn't any room for one more, personally I like it that you finally decided to agree with us.

The way I see it now is, YOU used this post as an excuse to open up your own... tsk tsk tsk

Anyways I would have to agree with candid and leave it up to the surfers. Just looks like a little jealous competition fighting over each other.. There are alternatives rather than using this board.

lisa-the-slut

I would have to agree on that with you. Then again I have people promoting the dialer because they absolutely dont want to "fuck" their surfers. I am of course working on the permin add-on hopefully sometime mid september it should be ready, feel free to drop me a line if you would like to know more.

I'm out
Abby

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