Just another BIG way to give porn a bad name?!?!?!?!

[TheMan]

Hi everyone... I have been seeing some sneaky shit going on.

Follow these little steps.....

1) Go to the site http://www.littlelolitapictures.com and let the page load fully.

2) Close the browswer window.

3) Open your browser again and see what your browser homepage is set at.

4) every time u close the browser and open it again it's a new tgp.


I think this is bullshit and will give us webmasters a bad bad bad name.
I mean come on.....

Think about all the times little kids are gonna be jumping onto the computer after someone was browsing porn and seeing this shit.

Think about all the guys who are gonna be busted big time after girlfriend or wife decide to jump on the computer.

This is bullshit period.

I will not trade traffic with sites like this and hope other webmasters will follow the right way.

THX

TheMan

http://www.mature-post.com

[whatever]

patch your fucking browser and you wont have to worry about it...

[TheMan]

Yea why don't ya go tell the other millions of people browsing porn as well.

Don't be dumb... I aint posting this because it was on my browser. I posted it because it's wrong!

[Bernie]

Personaly I think that's a damn good idea,......

[shane94]

S2 has a cookie feature that allows you to do that. If you have been thier before it will present a new page...makes killer money (=

[Lanie]

I think it is a TOTAL invasion on someones pc and NO ONE has the right to do that. It is just as bad a sending a virus. I had a similar experience with "go hip" attaching an add on to my browser, in which i had to install an exe file to delete it. Totally pissed me off. I would of loved to have the webmaster of go hip in my office during this period of madness. If you people who "agree" with this crap need hits that bad, well something is wrong with your sites. Thats like forcing people at gun point (so to speak) to visit your site.

[moose]

its not so bad if it is sent to a nonadult page....but when fathers or boyfirends are trying to surf in private and shut the computer down, and their children or whatever turn on the computer and are sent to this shit........you fuckers doing this are scum

[boneprone]

We really need to evolove into getting surfers into returning to our sites and enjoying them rather then get annoyed by them and avoid them..

Between the popup programs that people promote, and the shit like this, people wouldnt fear surfing our shit as much if we got rid of em

[boneprone]

that didnt make sence.. Ive been smoking crack and mixing it with my Percocet and Xanax..

What I mean is that people are alomst scared to surf porn now days because of all the bullshit, like pop-ups, cookies, and shit like this homepage reseting..

We need to be thinking of ways to get people to wnat to coem to our sites for more, not force them into things, and pissing them off. Because we are not only pissing them off not to come back to our sites, but are makeing a bad name for all of us because its just another surfer who wont play with porn on the net.

[boneprone]

god damn.. I feel sick.. I am really on Percocet and Xanax.. And I took a drionk.. I cant even type straight.

Tjois is not good.. Its like my hands are shaking and shit.

[RongVang]

I definitely agree with TheMan!

this is not fair..............
to anyone......neither to surfers nor to webmasters....!!!

this is scandal

my co-workers have lots of scripts that can do miraculous things to the browsers......
but I have never used them.........and will never do it!!!

Richard Trinh
http://www.vietlinks.com
I Love Vietnam.

[Lanie]

Rong Vang, I am glad you didnt use those stupid scripts,,,,,i'd hate to have to hunt you down and give you a wedgy! http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[whatever]

First of all gohip.com did it with an EXE and you had to accept the terms and conditions first... I think its ok to do this if you pass the user through a proper warning page first... if they agree to the terms then you can do it and do it legaly! Same thing as a dialer or any other piece of software you install that sets your homepage like icq or microsoft products....

[Lanie]

Whatever, I didnt agree to nothing with go hip I visited a website and a go hip pop up appeared and i cancelled it. Then every time i used IE, it added a new addition to my browser.

[xApster]

That site looks exactly the same as mine! http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[snow]

The man i'm with you dude....

[Lizard]

Great thanks TheMan,

littlelolitapictures.com

has been blacklisted on all my sites.

I have patched my browser so this autoset
homepage shit does not work for me, but this
fucked up shit has got to be stopped.

Please let me know if you find any more, I
have gone thru my trades on all my sites
and deleted all trades using this shit.

So if you one of the idiots who are using
this code and see no more hits from my sites
you know why! http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/mad.gif

[Due]

This is excactly what I wrote just a few days ago on the CJ2 board http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif

[jayeff]

I agree with the general principle that this kind of stuff goes too far: I was setting up some trade links the other day, not even looking at sites, and my homepage got reset.

But isn't there a kind of irony: this kind of outrage being expressed on a board loaded with full-on CJ webmasters?

[XP]

You must thanks to Richard,
He tell us how to decrypt that tss.js shit. Now everyone uses that.

Great idea for making quick money huh?
I am able to write a such script, that can tell visitor if have a non-patched system.

But I don't want enemies on my site(s) http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[SpyCam]

clickrus exit console
i noticed that after i wait till it loads and loads their enter consoles my browser homepage changes and i have 3-4 new bookmarks that i never had before

i checked that a week before, i thought my browser is fucked http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif

[richard]

XP you moron, i didn't do it to make money, and its not like it was difficult to find the page on google with a simple search (hey, thats what i did).

I am in total agreement with what Joey et al are saying. When you had your browser changed, did you think "oh cool, new homepage" or did you think "what the fuck, who has changed my fucking homepage?".

Its not a cool thing to do, and you will get blacklisted.

[TheAce]

TheMan - I'm with you on this, this is going way way to far. I will not trade with any asshole who changes peoples homepage nor will I trade with people who add bookmarks without the surfer knowing it.

You people better understand that if the surfer did not ask for this to be on his computer, you have NO RIGHT to put it there. This is about as low as you can get IMO

[Groovy]

how can i patch my browser whatever?

[ThaKiller]

I`m with Lanie on this.. its my fucking comp and I want nobody but me to set a start page, add bookmarks etc.

any way to prevent this shit?

[viper2K1]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ThaKiller:
any way to prevent this shit?</font>

http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q275/6/09.ASP

[Ride]

Why doesn't someone post a list of sites doing this, then everyone will know and can blacklist these sites or at least they will change it. The one I found was.

http://www.schoolporn.net (No offense Dr. Dre)

Ride
CJ2 - http://www.sex-4-ever.com/cgi-bin/ucj/webmaster.cgi
TGP - http://www.sillydrunk.com/cgi-bin/ucj/webmaster.cgi

[shap]

Ride that is a great idea! We should expose every sneaky bastard doing this. I don't care how many hits you can trade anybody pulling this shit on me will be blacklisted from my sites.


Shap

[Lizard]

Amen!

The sites using this shit are the sites that
always try to slip shit by you, and see if
they can get away with it - better get rid
of them NOW than to always have to check
trades constantly to see what new crap they
came up with!

[Duke]

wasn´t someone asking a few weeks ago how guys come from zero to some hundreds of ks/ day in no time ?
maybe this is an explanation

[toker]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by whatever:
patch your fucking browser and you wont have to worry about it...</font>

So how bout if i explioted your ass with some nifty lil code and then after i have recorded every one of your site logins and whatever else i think i could want. I were to delete all your sites and then issue a /deltree c:.. while i sit back and ROFL while having wiped every bit of your data??

Then i would tell you its your fault go cry to good ole billy over thar at microsux and ask for a patch next time..

Never say "it could never happen to me" somone might prove ya wrong one day. what would microsux say then?? "OOPS sorry bout that heres a patch" http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

I agree delete and blacklist every stupid fuck who do this shit if not it will only keep the trend in motion.. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/mad.gif

[Muff]

How bout we keep the code handy and if someone is caught using it, we all put it on and nuke their server http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Kinda like a gang bang http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Muff

[Makaveli]

Check your favorits too.. I hate that shit! I got to delete 20 bookmarks out of mine everyday because of jokers like this..

[Due]

HOLY FUCK.
I FUCKING HAD enough of this shit.
I found a REAL kiddie porn site in my bookmarks.
This pisses me off BIG TIME.
That is so FUCKING SICK http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/mad.gif

[Bean]

Here is another one. Yestarday it redirected to porn sites, but today its some search engine.

To me it doesn't matter what start page you are making the person use... its the fact that you violated their privacy.

www.thebiggestxxx.com (http://www.thebiggestxxx.com)

Is one site that comes to mind. There is a few more people using this that I found yestarday, but I can't remember the sites.

[oswec]

perhaps we should ask Jenny what (s)he knows about it ...

[Hypo]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TheAce:

You people better understand that if the surfer did not ask for this to be on his computer, you have NO RIGHT to put it there. This is about as low as you can get IMO</font>

So when you force a dialer on him when he tries to download a movie that's real high of you, huh? C'mon, this is CJ, you are lying, cheating, bullshitting, frauding the surfer with blind links and low-as-you-can-get dialers. Just because you get what's done to the surfer once in a while you start crying? You force on him porn for 7$ a minute and think he would mind having his homepage reset more than that? Wherever did you start getting ethics? Go sell chewing gum or something.

[manga]

I have to agree with Hypo on that one. I think suckering someone with a dialer is a lot worse than changing a homepage or a bookmark. Come on guys... easy with the hypocrisy.

Manga
Semper Fi

[moose]

you guys are IDIOTS if you think this is OK. TO many surfers share computers with the whole family........you are scumbags if you think sending these surfers to hardcore circle jerks with pics of cum splattered chicks everytime the browser fires up.The browser does not know the difference between Mr. jones 10 year old daughter or Mr. Jones wife or Mr.Jones himself, alot of these people do not know how to change it back.
If you are going to do it, atleast make it a non-adult page that is not so offensive to everyone.
And now thier are some scumbags putting KP bookmarks in the favorite folders, imagine someone finding that on your system.
fuck you all who are doing this to get hits to your adult sites

[manga]

Moose,

Nobody said it was "OK". What was said is that it is hardly any worse than ripping people off with a dialer download. While it is true that "The browser does not know the difference between Mr. jones 10 year old daughter or Mr. Jones wife or Mr.Jones himself" it can also be pointed out that neither does the dialer. What protection is there on the dialer to prevent minors from using it? You're afraid of the homepage script giving porn a bad name? What do you think the dialer is doing? The whole point is that it is hypocritical to condemn the homepage script when you are forcing the dialer on people. That's it.

Manga
Semper Fi

[shap]

TheMan and myself aren't talking about bullshit CJ sites. We are talking about well respected and highly bookmarked TGPs, that is a different story.

[Lizard]

No it isnt!

Whats this shit again, bullshit cj's - wtf?

Auto bookmark is bullshit on any porn site!

"Well respected TGP's" - Which one's might that be? lol

[shap]

To name 3 real quick
sexape.com
bigbreastlovers.com
picwarehouse.com

Well respected TGPS ;-)

Shap

[DemonWolfe]

Here is another site for your list.

http://www.tiny-teenies.com/


I found this site trading with me, I am firing off an ICQ and deleting the trade.

I for one do not plan to trade with such sites, and I have spoken with some other large TGP owners, and I know they feel the same.

This is another one of Jenny's sites BTW.

[Jenny]

heres another one I found jennystgp.com ..... dam there all my sites http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif oh well I consider dialers being worst that what I am using but im not going to go around and start blacklisting every site who uses a dialer including my own.....but oh well its upto all of you how you want to do buisness and run your sites

[Lizard]

Gee thanks shap http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[nic]

Jenny, can you hit me up on icq, my number is 3605392

thanks,
nic

[Hypo]

If they keep this up, they'll be left with around 5 moralistic dialer-using lolitaying pop-up-helling porn-selling lying-bullshitting-frauding BUT no auto-bookmarking sites trading with each other.

I think adult webmasters sometimes need to be reminded that they are one of the lowest rungs on the jobs ladder. You're peddling porn, which most people consider just a step removed from selling drugs and pimping. Quit being so holier-than-thou already.

[Lizard]

Well Hypo, im sorry that you feel that way
about yourself, you should work on that, low
self esteem if a bad thing...

Why, I have heard about people with low self
esteem that jumped of a tall building and
killed themselfes - now we would want you to
do that http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[TheAce]

I tried out a dialer for about 5 hours on my TGP and its been gone ever since and didn't get so much as 1 min. During that 5 hours, no one was forced to download the dailer, it was advertised.

Changing a persons homepage without their premission or adding bookmarks without premission is illegal for you to do in case any of you didn't know it.

[Sara T]

I have to agree with Demonwolfe, changing surfer's homepages and adding bookmarks without their knowledge is a gross invasion of privacy. Not to mention the children viewing porn scenario - my home page is set to Yahoo for my young son to search for what he wants - I don't really want him going on the computer and getting a dialler downloaded and an eyeful of hairy muff! I just added a rule to my trade page saying that I won't trade with sites which do this.

[DemonWolfe]

Out of curiosity perhaps the ever wise Hypo or any of you other proponents of this could answer me two questions:

1) Why do you not feel that changing the homepage of a surfers browser and/or adding bookmarks without their permissions does not fall into the category of "hacking".

Microsoft's warning letter about the "security hole" says that it may allow users to "hack" into your computer and change settings. (Like your homepage) I am not giving legal advice, but it would seem to me that if and when you are caught doing this you could be prosecuted under a wide range of international hacking laws that are already in place.

Which brings me to my next question:

2) Why are you not worried about the authorities (of one form or another) coming after you?

Especially when some sympathetic mother, or library, or high ranking official has this happen to them. It makes great news, and your site will be hanging out there for the whole world to see. Both on the acting hack page (where you change the bookmark and homepage) and the page you send it to.

If I were a sponsor I would kick anyone out of my program for using such tactics to send traffic to my site, as I would not welcome the possible legal troubles.

Hell, maybe an investigation will lead somehow to this very message thread. At least I know I don't have to worry about where I stand on this topic.

Also, about dialers... That is not hacking, as they are a program that once run presents a legal contract / disclaimer which fully discloses what the dialer entails. It's their choice to digitally sign it or not. You can question that age of someone using a dialer, but then the minor would be voluntarily misrepresenting himself, and violating the local laws in his/her community. Since they issue credit cards to minors (I have no idea how this works since minors are often not held liable for entering into legal contracts) having a credit card protection is not 100% guarantee either. Digital signature is now accepted under United States law.

[Killah]

SellYourExit does NOT allow homepage-settings that send traffic to us. Not directly and not indirectly.
All accounts that break this rule will be canceled without payment.

[Hypo]

Demonwolfe,

Doesnt hacking have to be done with 'malicious intent' to be illegal? I'm making 100$ a day out of a 6K CJ with the autobookmarks. No way I'm going to let go unless its proved illegal. Anyone have the legal definition of criminal hacking?

[Lizard]

What sites do you run Hypo?, just so I can delete and blacklist them now.

[nic]

yeah, hypo, i would like to take a look at it. hit me up on icq, 3605392

Thanks,
Nic

[Dragon]

Here's your illegalities...as quoted from a recent case against Adult Internet Webmasters put into court by the Federal Trade Commision, in which they won an injuction to stop the defendants altogether, and impose fines and/or prison time as the FTC sees fit.
"Section 5 of the FTC Act forbids "deceptive acts or practices," 15 U.S.C. § 45(a). An act or practice is deceptive if it is likely to mislead consumers, acting reasonably under the circumstances, about a material fact to their detriment."......"If consumers are likely to have chosen differently but for the deception, then a misrepresentation is material."......"The act of redirecting consumers on the Internet is deceptive by itself."...."Section 5 of the FTC Act also forbids "unfair acts or practices," 15 U.S.C. § 45(a). An act or practice is unfair under § 5 of the FTC Act if it causes substantial injury to consumers, if the harm is not outweighed by any countervailing benefits, and if the harm is not reasonably avoidable."...."The injury caused by defendants'.....is not reasonably avoidable because consumers have no advance warning of what is about to happen to them"....and here is what will happen....."This Court is authorized to direct defendants' agents such as Network Solutions to temporarily suspend defendants' domain registrations pursuant to Rule 65(d) of the Fed. R. Civ. Pro."..."). Without the injunction such conduct will continue unabated. These measures will terminate the fraud, and prevent the destruction of documents pending the disposition of this litigation. Any disruption of the defendants' business activities is a "necessary and . . . unavoidable consequence of the violation."
I guess not many keep up on the Governments involvent in our industry, which is too bad, but good at the same time, they are watching and taking action against people....this case also involves popups/consoles "In many cases, the only way to escape from defendants' mouse trap is to immediately shut off one's computer; consequently, defendants' practices also could cause consumers to lose valuable data, or damage their computers or Internet browsers. In many cases, the only way to escape from defendants' mouse trap is to immediately shut off one's computer; consequently, defendants' practices also could cause consumers to lose valuable data, or damage their computers or Internet browsers."

[rukbunker]

----- SNIP -----
this case also involves popups/consoles "In many cases, the only way to escape from defendants' mouse trap is to immediately shut off one's computer; consequently, defendants' practices also could cause consumers to lose valuable data, or damage their computers or Internet browsers. In many cases, the only way to escape from defendants' mouse trap is to immediately shut off one's computer; consequently, defendants' practices also could cause consumers to lose valuable data, or damage their computers or Internet browsers."

----- SNIP -----

Why do they have to shut off the computer twice ?

[Dragon]

That was a C&P error, I didn't think it pasted it that part the first time...that's all.

[rukbunker]

I was just joking. Anyway I think people who don't like pop-ups should switch off java. And this auto bookmark thing is just caused by mr bill gate$ who wants to make money as quickly with his half baked products.

[Dragon]

It's funny how....instead of looking at the seriousness of what I pasted, you chose to find something to make fun of.

[Dragon]

"Anyway I think people who don't like pop-ups should switch off java." They don't have to now....now it is illegal...period. Not everyone knows how to shut off java, or even wants to, because java does alot more than just pop consoles...it makes web sites interactive and more "fun" to visit. I think the FTC has the perfect solution for ridding our business of all the glut and for making it easier for the legitimate webmaster to make good money, and to bring back consumer confidence for our industry...which can only help us out in the long run. That's my two cents.

[rukbunker]

It's all good what the FTC says..
It's a US organisation isn't it?

[DemonWolfe]

Hypo,

I think dragon provided all the information that you should need to make an informed decision.

Dragon,

Thanks for the information. Very thought provoking indeed. It is funny how so many people feel that there are no rules in the interet isn't it?

Rukbunker,

Gee, the FTC is in the USA. Which sponsors do you use? I bet at least 80% of the paying sponsors on the net are also inside the USA. Guess what else, Mastercard, Visa, Discover and American Express are also based in the USA.

Why do people always bring up the fact that they don't live in the USA? Who cares, all the money in porn is in the USA, and if you opened a sponsor program outside the USA and the FTC really wanted your ass, they could go after you using banking methods.

Drug Trafficers use to have this same glee about not living in the USA. I guess that glee left when the USA started extraditing them and prosucting them in the USA for drug trafficing.

[Lizard]

I can hear it now...

Yes your honour, I clicked that link saying

"lolita sucks a big hairy cock"

And all I got was a lot of popups

http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Dragon]

Demonwolfe,
No problem...I know that there are some Webmasters that consider this a business and knew that they might appreciate that info. Yes, it is funny that people think that, but, as the saying goes...he who laughs last...

[Hypo]

I'm still laughing from yesterday's sales!

Anyway, the legislation thing essentially outlaws all CJs and CJ2s which misdirect users. So if I run a CJ2 I might as well set homepages too with equal risk of prosecution.

[whatever]

ok yet again another moron...


first of all the FTC does not have the power to impose prison terms or bring any criminal charges against ANYONE... the FTC is a civil organization... the DOJ are the criminal boyz...

and second the FTC ONLY gets involved if there is MONITARY LOSS TO A CONSUMER...

since non of this involves chargeing the surfer money for anything this again is not the FTC's ballpark...

and as I have said in 2 other posts THIS IS NOT HACKING...

they are using an existing ActiveX control to do this... and they are using that control exactly in the maner for which it is designed...

all they are guilty of is improper discloser but since there are no REAL damages its would be hard to bring a monitary penalty against someone for that...

sorry to burst yet another bubble....

but thats the reality of it....

if you want to blame someone blame microsoft for puting that control on your computer in the first place... cause its there to allow web pages to execute commands, run programs, and do things like access the registry.. thats exactly what its for!!

don't belive everything you read from these people here most of them are very uninformed

[whatever]

oh and incase you are interested


here is the FULL FTC article that dragon used to mold his bullshit propaganda


http://www.ftc.gov/os/1999/9909/atarizmemo.htm

as you will see it is TOTALY UNRELATED! and the reason the ftc got involved in the article dragon was quoting has nothing to do with the mousetrap...

Dragon stop trying to scare people with your poorly thought out misleading propaganda

you fucking people amaze me a swear

[whatever]

oh and the outcome


http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/02/lasrado.htm

[DemonWolfe]

Whatever,

I am sorry to say, but you are the one who is misinformed, or at least that is the way you wish to appear because perhaps you think ignorance is a legal defense which of course it is not, but then again, you are ignorant of that too in all likelyhood.

Here is a link to the FTC's page:
http://www.ftc.gov/ftc/mission.htm

Here is the very first paragraph on that page:
The Federal Trade Commission enforces a variety of federal antitrust and consumer protection laws. The Commission seeks to ensure that the nation's markets function competitively, and are vigorous, efficient, and free of undue restrictions. The Commission also works to enhance the smooth operation of the marketplace by eliminating acts or practices that are unfair or deceptive. In general, the Commission's efforts are directed toward stopping actions that threaten consumers opportunities to exercise informed choice. Finally, the Commission undertakes economic analysis to support its law enforcement efforts and to contribute to the policy deliberations of the Congress, the Executive Branch, other independent agencies, and state and local governments when requested.

Gee, what does "enforces a variety of federal antitrust and consumer protection laws. " mean?

What does "The Commission also works to enhance the smooth operation of the marketplace by eliminating acts or practices that are unfair or deceptive" mean?

Hmmm, what about "In general, the Commission's efforts are directed toward stopping actions that threaten consumers opportunities to exercise informed choice"


Now, here is an exact quote from you:
"first of all the FTC does not have the power to impose prison terms or bring any criminal charges against ANYONE... the FTC is a civil organization... the DOJ are the criminal boyz..."

Boy, I bet the Bottos (from MaxCash) would sure like to have been informed of this. The FTC siezed control of their assets (including their websites and bankaccounts) while they underwent investigations. Seems so strange that they had to go through all that when Mr. Whatever could have simply set the FTC straight.

So I decided to read onward, and I came across this:

"The basic "consumer protection" statute enforced by the Commission is Section 5(a) of the FTC Act, which states, inter alia, that "unfair or deceptive acts or practices in or affecting commerce are declared unlawful" (15 U.S.C. Sec. 45(a)(1)). "Unfair" practices are defined to mean those that "cause[] or [are] likely to cause substantial injury to consumers which is not reasonably avoidable by consumers themselves and not outweighed by countervailing benefits to consumers or to competition" (15 U.S.C. Sec. 45(n))."


Then, Mr. Whatever you go on to say:
and second the FTC ONLY gets involved if there is MONITARY LOSS TO A CONSUMER...

Hmm, didn't seem like they said that to me. Can you show me where it states that?


Of course, you go on to discuss hacking (a completely different subject)

"and as I have said in 2 other posts THIS IS NOT HACKING...
they are using an existing ActiveX control to do this... and they are using that control exactly in the manner for which it is designed "

Hate to disagree with you, but every time Miscorsoft releases a patch to fix a "security hole" people who use this security hole to breech a computers settings is refered to as a hacker. As a matter of fact, that is a good definition of hacking, using an exisiting security hole to gain access to someone elses computer. It's even against the law if you DON'T change anything and just look around.

I like how you blame the company who made the operating system for your blantant hacking. It's nothing new, criminals have always said that it's everyone elses fault but there own.

Here is something everyone might find interesing:

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/04/econsumer.htm

Little article about how the FTC is teaming up with 12 coutnries in an effort to make the internet safer for surfers. Good reading.

In closing, I find it absolutely hilarious that you would call me, or the other professionals here (Like Shap, or TheMan or Boneprone) Morons. Seems strange that we've all been around so long, and work with some many other people. Strange that we don't need "day jobs", you know us being such morons and all.

Mr. Whatever, you are so smart, show us your great sites. What are your great accomplishments? Better yet, where do you spend your days working?

[whatever]

its pointless to argue with you...

you said nothing to prove your point...

all I read that you posted proves nothing...

im not here to show you who I am or how much I make or all my great accoplishments....

why should I need too?

lol.... not like I care what you think...

but somone had to be the voice of truth

I mean I realize you people hate it but if you don't like it disable activeX scripting and go on with your life....

This is no worse a trick than a CJ site

and infact if it were properly disclaimed AS I HAVE SAID would be perfectly A O.K. to do..

and you nor anyone else could say shit about it... many many companys set your homepage when you install their software products... how is this any different if these people were to pass the user through a wanring page telling them it was gonna happen first even if that warning page was 20 pages long as are most software instalation warnings... it would be perfectly accepted as it is with almost every software app out there...

so get over it....

and try and come up with a better agruement next time would ya?

[RockDaddy]

Has anyone complained to Norton or Macafee?? They are usually pretty interested in any code that makes changes to users systems without authorization. That's what I pay my monthly fee with them for. To protect my system. Everyone using virus protection programs, point them towards a couple of pages using this code and I'll bet they will figure out a way to block them.

Later,
RD

[Bill-]

Totally agree with you 'TheMan' this shit is complete bullshit! Why doesn't fucken microsucks just display our hard drive on the internet and give surfers the ability to modify whatever they want on our computers. Microsoft is suppose to be all that! But why don't they hmmm.. actually spend a little bit on those billions on maybe testing there software a little bit more! Oh well! Hope someone starts a post with sites using this scummy method to generate traffic to there sites so we can all blacklist these fuckers!
And dialers are bad but atlease resonable most dialers i have seen have uninstall and password protection and i mean everyone knows how to delete a icon on there desktop!

[whatever]

thats exactly what you can do with teh same activex control...

you can do ANYTHING to the users computers...


THATS WHAT IT WAS MADE FOR@!!

[whatever]

oh and norton antivirus already detects that the page is using activex controls to change registry setting and prompts the user to this fact and warms them its high risk to continue...

seems like that should be a standard feature in I.E. if you asked me but its not http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif

update your norton and you will see what I mean... mcafee doesn't do any warning about it...

but thats cause mcafee sucks

again this isn't hacking its using the control for what it was made to do...

lol

[sonicpuke]

Bullshit. You didn't write the control so you don't know what it's for.

What if someone used a sledgehammer to smash your computer into bits.

Would you accept thier reply that a sledgehammer is MEANT to smash things so.....

Just becuase you use your computer to hack peoples settings doesn't mean that's what it's for.

Get a clue.

[whatever]

its made to let you edit those settings and run programs and basicly have full control
of the remote users computer

THAT IS WHAT THAT CONTROL IS FOR...

I see your point sonic and I agree they should warn the user before they do it... if the user wants to enter the site he has to accept the terms..

and if someone agrees you can smash his car to all hell with a sledge hammer.. well he fucking agreed.... just like he agrees to anything else or any other terms on any piece of software.. like icq which changes your page and many microsoft products that change your home page on install

but the act of doing it in itself is not wrong or a crime at all....

I think if a site wants to use this script.. they should make their enter button do it when the user accepts the terms to enter.. the I am over 18 crap, you know.. and just include a line in your wanring telling the user that this will happen when they enter the site..

then no one can say shit to you...

and that yet again... is the facts jack...

happy hunting boyz...

and btw I know you cj guys think you control all the traffic on the internet but guess what? YOU DON'T hahaha so who gives a shit if you ban sites that do it?

REALY?

But if you are gonna do it USE A DISCLAIMER

[RockDaddy]

Someone keeps mentioning how, "that's what the active x is for"

Microsoft describes it as a "flaw" a security risk, etc.., they didn't put this here "INTENTIONALLY" for people to use "MALICIOUSLY"

======= microsoft =======
The VULNERABILITY is caused by a FLAW in a SECURITY CHECK that is INTENDED TO PREVENT the com.ms.activeX.ActiveXComponent system class FROM BEING USED AS AN APPLET. This system class, which is provided with the Microsoft VM, is intended for use only in applications or by signed and trusted applets.
========= microsoft ========

It doesn't look like it a nice little added on benefit that they've put there for anyone to use at free will to change whatever they like.

They say it is a SECURITY HOLE, and by your EXPLOITING a known security hole, THAT IS HACKING. What do you think hacking is???

Later,
RD

[RockDaddy]

Here are a few of the newest things they've built right in for everyone to exploit to their advantage,

Security Bulletin Search

MS01-023 : Unchecked Buffer in ISAPI Extension Could Enable Compromise of IIS 5.0 Server

MS01-022 : WebDAV Service Provider Can Allow Scripts to Levy Requests as User

MS01-021 : Web Request Can Cause Access Violation in ISA Server Web Proxy Service

Since they have these security holes built right in, it must be perfectly okay to figure a way to use these to your advantage.

Later,
RD

[Dragon]

whatever.....say what you want. You can think I am misinformed all you want. If you think that will save you if/when the FTC shuts down your domains....more power to you. Try looking up the definition of a legal precedent, that's what the FTC is setting. That's what will ultimately decide what is considered unfair and deceptive practice and what isn't. My Attorney knows a hell of alot more than you about this....but you keep on telling everyone it's ok to pull bullshit, that you won't be held legally responsible for your actions. I know better.

[richard]

I think you should look at the other consequences of doing this - it is clear, that any webmaster with common sense (which tend to be the bigger/better webmasters) are banning people / disassociating themselves with people who use this technique.

I ask you this: Once there is a public outcry, and the next edition of MS Explorer goes out, or all the AV's pick it up, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO BE?

If you are in this for the long haul, which i think everyone should be looking at, what happens when this short term revenue supply dries up?

The adult online webmaster community does a good job of policing itself.

just 2c,

Rich.

[DemonWolfe]

You guys should know that Mr. Whatever is busy at his dayjob right now, so he wont be around to post about his vast knowlege of internet law untill he gets home from work.

Of course, Mr Whatever likes to rile people up for effect, but it should be obvious to anyone who reads this, he has no legal leg to stand on, and the fact that he is afraid to even reveal his identity or sites should tell you how he *really* feels about what he preaches.

[TheAce]

whatever - I happen to be a college student in CPSC and everything your saying is incorrect.

Any time you make a change or view a persons settings without their premission is illegal, this is called hacking/cracking. For example, what if I was to spoof your PC (becoming the middle man) and got your credit card numbers. How would you feel about me runing up a huge ass bill on ya?
After all, I was just using code to get it done, tools of programming and such. Or as you see, using tools to get the info I wanted.

What if I was to exploit TCP and enter your PC, Depending on the PC could even turn your FAN off without you realizing it which would burn your PC up.
I had a task, and got it done. Nothing wrong with that?

[corvo]

I think whatever is rather misguided in his opinion, based on the information presented here
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

in my newbie opinion

[*Kimmykim*]

I read thru this board quite a bit, tho I don't usually say much.

And I thought I'd bring this thread back up to the top since it's obvious that most of the people here have the common sense and intelligence to understand that this auto this, auto that crap is not a good idea.

I'm currently reviewing our partner TOS here at CCBill, and will be speaking with other processors who run reseller programs for site owners, along with the major site owners themselves about it. My guess is that we might just come to a consensus regarding this scripting deal and that the consensus might just be that no one needs the sort of attention and bs that comes along with this.

And if that's the case, then it might just be that people found using it, well they might just NOT GET PAID by the sponsors who decide that this is a violation of their TOS.

Funny thing? I don't care what anybody says, I've spent the day analyzing the stats of sites I've found using this scripting, and unless they have been using it secretly for months and months, it's not doing a damn thing to improve the checks they cash each week...

Sorry to jump in and be a bitch right off the bat here, but this whole thing is crazy, it draws attention to porn that is certainly unneeded, both from organizations like the FTC and all the right wing whackos who think we should all burn in hell as it is.

[Lane]

Amen to that

[RockDaddy]

I just had a dialer put on my desktop and my start menu. I know exactly what page is doing it and which dialer it is and I'm going to the FTC website right now to file a complaint, as well as the FCC. I'm also going to see if I can locate any governing bodies in their home state/county that might be interested.

Pop consoles on me all day long but start putting shit on my fucking desktop and start menu for my kids to find and that pisses me off. I hope if I complain enough places about the possible exposure of porn to minor children, unneccesary expenses (phone bills) and anything else I can think of, someone will do something about this.

I don't fucking care if I have to email the fucking whitehouse. This is fucked up and I would really like to get my hands on this mother fucking CHANGING SHIT ON MY FUCKING COMPUTER!! YOU PUSSY ASS FUCKING ASSHOLE!!

Not to mention I will start calling attorneys about this tomorrow. My computer is not running correctly since you modified shit on it and someone needs to be held responsible for that.

And YES, I had the security patch installed!!

RD

[Lane]

RD,
as far as i know they cant put the dialer on the desktop automatically.
if they figured a way to do it now, this is really going bad..

Lane

[*Kimmykim*]

One quick post and I'm out for the day --

Lane -- unfortunately RD is right -- I clicked no on a dialer download and guess what? The stupid thing still ended up on my desktop and very prominently in my start menu...

[xApster]

What if u use this to direct traffic to a non porn site then would it be wrong?

[xApster]

btw this is just as bad as the dialer plug in for gib. That dialer plug in installs the dialer all over your computer.. what if some kid is looking for his favorite game and see's HOT SEX icon and clicks? Same thing.

[viper2K1]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by xApster:
What if u use this to direct traffic to a non porn site then would it be wrong?</font>

It's still wrong to change the settings of somebody that didn't give you authorization to do so ...
Directing that traffic to a non-porn site might get people less furious about it, but it's still 100% wrong.

STOP THAT SHIT YOU FUCKING LAMERS !!

(just wanted to say that once http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif )

[xApster]

Well the gib plug in does similar stuff to ones computer =)

[pr0view]

RockDaddy - ban the webmasters that use that shit, delete their trades but it would be immensely stupid to contact FTC... what do you want to do - to add your complaint to the other ones and give the FTC enough reasons to point their heavy guns against the adult industry? such problems should be solved from within - any outside assistance is just another nail in your own coffin...

do you think that when FTC starts prosecuting those webmasters, they will stop with that? what about all of the CJ sites - they are misleading and redirecting thus CHEATING the consumer... ever thought of that? anyone using a blind link can be prosecuted... wanna start complaining about that as well?

[shane]

Just went surfing and had 6 dialers install themselves on my desc top and start menu,

Even netscape isnt safe from this one!

[xApster]

Yes so why is the homepage thing so different! Its not .. either don't allow either or allow both.

[*Kimmykim*]

Changing a users homepage and adding to a users bookmarks are WAY FUCKING WORSE than downloading a dialer (not that I'm in favor of auto dialer downloads either, thats fucked too!)

When Mrs. Joe Surfer or Joe Surfer Jr. see those bookmarks or that home page there's going to be hell to pay for all of us.

Face it most people don't have a clue how to fix the shit once it's done -- especially the registry entries.

Why borrow trouble when we've already got enough to worry about with conversions and retention and fresh traffic sources and chargebacks and payouts and cheaters and you get my drift.

[xApster]

What i am refering to (and lots of people are using now) is something like this

http://dist02.chargitdial.com/?1&7112

it splaters the dialer all over ur computer

[Groovy]

i think *Kimmykim* is fully right.
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Groovy]

100
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[xApster]

I just want to use it for a non adult project thats why I am asking.

I am not using it just wondering what people think.

[mukoh]

Demonwolfe.
I think you forgot that you used to require webmasters to put up links to your dialer on their galleries, with links like blonde babe linking straight to dialer download. Whatever that dialer did to the users computer you werent aware of right?
I don't know if you do that now. But lay off the people who use the activex stuff.
Personally i would not use the bookmark activex simply just i do not like it. I won't use it, it hurts me more.
If someone wants to do it. FUCK THEM. Let them do it. I don't care and so should you. It doesn't concern you.

[RockDaddy]

PrOview,

There comes a time when you have to draw a line in the sand regardless of consequences and say "enough is enough" I wouldn't turn my back if someone in my family was being hurt or abused because I worried about the consequences. When you start placing shit on my personal property that you have no idea who might have access to, then that is the same thing.

Maybe the dialers that allow and promote this are the "incredibly stupid" ones. That and the webmasters that use and support the sponsors that promote and use these tactics.

It's a shame that there are webmasters that aren't intelligent enough to look at the big picture and look towards the future and will risk losing everything for a few extra bucks they can make today.

Blame them not me.

RD

[RockDaddy]

Oh, and one more thing. I was ready to rip someones head off the other day when I posted. I have obviously calmed down since then and haven't reported anything to anyone, just to be clear on that.

But, it will happen. Not by me but by the thousands of people who are ending up with stuff downloaded on their computers and installed in places they can't get it off. And their homepages getting changed to pornsites which their wives, girlfriends, bosses or children will find.

Relationships will end, children will find these dialer buttons on their desktops and will click on those not knowing the consequences. Kids will see porn, huge phone bills will arrive in the mailbox.

SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE will complain if not thousands of people. It is inevitable. It's only a matter of time.

Anyway,
Good luck to us all,

RD