Is there too much free adult content on the web?

[crama]

Is it just me, or is free adult content too widespread on the net.

The average user today can find pretty much anything they want for free, with very little effort. People simply are not going to pay for something they can get for free. And as the average user gains more internet experience, paysites become less and less needed by them to get quality content. Could this become a major problem down the road, or is this already a major problem? C http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/confused.gif

[Bullet]

yes, there's too much.

[moose]

Its already a problem.Revenues are down across the board..it is summer, but this is a bad one. Big problem is all the part timers who really dont care about the business sustaining and do whatever it takes to get traffic ( large free picture gallerys) to make an extra $50 a week.Times this by 10,000 and you have shitloads of free gallerys floating around. Its not the only problem , but it is a major one right now.

[*Kimmykim*]

YES.

But even worse is the proliferation of deadbeat webmasters that Moose mentioned -- the ones that have never invested a dime in the business, the ones mooching off freehosting, either using sponsors free content or stealing some content so its still free, you know the kind I mean -- they are the ones who are just looking for free free free themselves, they don't treat it as a business in the slightest.

</rant for today lol>

[Simon]

I also agree, I think this is a serious issue that the adult industry needs to work on together to solve. And its going worse by the day, look at the sign up ratios , it pratically goes down every 6 months.

[Julia-P]

I agree, but isn't adult biz sustained by this free material? When Tommy or The HUn started, they had to post something, and according with wath my husband says, it was 99.9% of scanned pics. Now the ratio must be 10% scanned, 80% stolen and 10% legal, what must be fighted is that stolen content, no doubt at all

[Hypo]

Anyone seen the music and movie industries? Forget songs, yesterday I downloaded complete movies - Planet of the Apes, Shrek, Scary Movie2, Final Fantasy, Dracula 2000. Every movie running in the theatres is available for download. Its all dying, free is in. All the industries will have to think up new revenue models or have stricter laws. Now if all TGPs started turning into paysites that would do something for the online adult industry.

[*Kimmykim*]

Sorry Julia, what's sustained by all this free material is the surfers hard on, since most of em don't pay to keep it http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[crama]

How many revenue models are left, dialers had potential, but ridiculously high calling rates have killed their crediblity with users.

[moose]

Well
I nominate no free porn day:
Everyone take down your free pics and put up a sign.."YOU HAVE TO PAY TODAY...SORRY" and put your referal link in there and see what happens ;-)

[Bullet]

Hypo, in that case, we should all just blame the internet in general. Just about every industry(outside of the internet) is hurting because of all the e-businesses. It's just a part of competition.

[toker]

moose if you can get Hun Snake Tommy and the others in on that im down but we know it wont ever happen in this lifetime. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif

Versy soon online porn will be taking another hit you guys dont even think virtual sex is becomming more real every day. They can stimulate the body with electric impulses that combined with an alter reality were all up shits creek.

Better get ready with you avatar girl simulations and forget everything you know about porn. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/tongue.gif

[jdante]

there are still people making money.

it may be different faces then it was a few years ago, but they are making money.

And there has alway been tons of free porn on the net - even in 1987 when commodore 64s were the big thing and you had no html sites nor thumbnail galleries.

jdante
http://40til5.com/webmaster

[Groovy]

it's too much, because you still see payout rates etc going down...

they will go up if they need to but now their just too many webmasters so they will all get thier stuff saled.

[darksoft]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by *Kimmykim*:
YES.

But even worse is the proliferation of deadbeat webmasters that Moose mentioned -- the ones that have never invested a dime in the business, the ones mooching off freehosting, either using sponsors free content or stealing some content so its still free, you know the kind I mean -- they are the ones who are just looking for free free free themselves, they don't treat it as a business in the slightest.

&lt;/rant for today lol&gt;</font>

Ah, so we should pay for content to promote a sponsor that's gonna shave our ass off for sales? Sorry, if a sponsor won't provide content for their webmasters to promote what's actually IN their site, then fuck 'em.

You're pretty high and mighty assuming everyone using sponsor content and free hosting is in it for free.

Ever think that MAYBE not everyone has a ton to blow for all the hot shit content that you think we should shell out for sponsors who could give a fuck about you unless you are pulling in 5 or 6 figure sales for them?

Ever think that not everyone can currently afford $1000 bandwidth bills monthly because you need to spend that much on TGP's due to the proliferation of enormous galleries of free pics? These galleries would have fewer pix if the TGP owners had the balls to set a fucking MAXIMUM of 20 pics or less. I've seen some 100 pix galleries for fucks sake!

Ever think that MAYBE some of us have gone to free hosts to save some of the money that sponsors are fucking us over for by changing their program rules, payouts, etc. as soon as you start making money?

Don't blame the webmasters. It is in NO WAY all their fault. There are SOME freeloaders, yes, but the sponsors and site owners are just as big a reason things are fucked now.

&lt;/end my rant for the week&gt;

[*Kimmykim*]

Yes I guess I am pretty high and mighty to think that anyone in business would realize that there are costs associated with being in business, especially a successful one.

But hey, thats just me...

[*Kimmykim*]

And I guess while I'm being oh so high and mighty I might as well add this -- for every sponsor you think shaves your ass (why are you using them if that's the case is an entirely diffent thread) the percentage of cheaters stays the same across the board.

Surfers, webmasters, sponsors -- if it's 10% then obviously the numbers get bigger as you move down the chain. CC processors wouldn't have to scrub so hard if the surfers didn't cheat, sponsors wouldn't have to spend so much catching cheating webmasters if they didn't cheat.

It's called the trickle down effect.

But none of that changes the fact that its still a business. You don't start a retail store without money for stock, rent, utilities, etc, what makes you think this business should treat you any differently???

[Bullet]

I disagree with the past couple of posts. Competition is what makes the industry grow. If there wasn't any competition then there wouldn't be such thing as tgp's, cj's etc.

And as for starting a business without any capital, some 14 year old kid could take his father's lawn mower and start his own business for free, and would probably be more profitable than someone taking some free content and a free host and getting in this industry. If people are willing to work fairly, I don't think that it should matter how much money they have. But I also don't think you can make any real money in this industry without having a good amount of cash.

[Sponsorwatch]

Yep ! I´ll agree that there´s too much free porn out there.
But turning all the big TGP´s into paysites would be impossible to achieve, I just can´t see the Hun thinking "Hey, Why do I need 1.000.000 surfers a day, if i could have a small paysite instead"
Aint gonna happend.

The TGP2 concept is a step in the right direction though (not a perfect world either, but better)
http://www.action-porn.com/cgi-bin/ubb2/Ultimate.cgi
But this concept really need some of the larger TGP´s to convert to these new standards... stop giving it all away !

Ohh... and Killahs thought on stopping content theft, also need to be worked with, if we´re to make the online adult industry more profitable.

My ½ cent for tonight.

-Santa

www.sponsorwatch.net (http://www.sponsorwatch.net)

[QuietMike]

You can't blame just the "free loader" webmasters for all the problems. It all comes down to the big guys. If the big guys would stop excepting free hosts and free or stolen content then mabey that might help. The thing is, is that the big guys have all the power. If every big tgp owner (like the hun) laying down and enforcing rulz then the webmasters would follow just to get the traffic. You have to start at the source of the problem and it begins where webmasters get their traffic from. All webmasters want is traffic because traffic=money. When you start putting rules to get the traffic, people will start to follow them. I mean what is the point of a site without traffic?

Kimmy: You can't blame webmasters for using free content that the sponsors give them. As I look at it, its really part of the payment. I mean you are promoting someone elses site and they are making a ton of profit from it. The least they could do is give you the materials to promote them with. Also another part of running a biz is LOWERING COSTS as much as you can to reap in MAXIMUM PROFIT. Why would someone new to the biz pay for content out of there profit when they could get it for free? If the sponsors decide to stop giving free content to promote their own sites, then there better be a pay increase to cover the costs of the content! Only experienced webmasters are going to buy content because the knowledge they have allows them to increase their profit more then enough to cover the costs. It would be a waste of money for a completely new webmaster to start out buying content and hosting, they have to learn to make a profit first. Just think of the free hosts and content as the "training" part of the job.

P.S. Don't worry if it doesn't make sence, I am drunk and went on a rant. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[shane]

The more content you have the less money you make http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/eek.gif

[richard]

fuck the newbies.

[*Kimmykim*]

It's fine to rant quietmike, but let's look at part of what you said --

"It would be a waste of money for a completely new webmaster to start out buying content and hosting, they have to learn to make a profit first."
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So what you're telling me is that if I want to run a restaurant and I've never done it before I should find someone to give me the stuff to do it so I can learn how??? Or if I want to have a retail store, get someone to front my inventory to me in case I make some money and can pay for it?

"Just think of the free hosts and content as the "training" part of the job."
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You want on the job training you go to work for someone else. You want to run a business, which is what this is, you run a business.

I may not be real popular with this position but it's what I believe in. All the money in the world won't make up for stupid business practices -- no -- but when I see all the sponsor bashing, freehost bashing, everything bashing that goes on over the industry, it makes me really disheartened by the whole thing.

It's never enough for alot of people, all they want is more more more free free free and it doesn't work that way. Resellers are advertisers, that is their business.

[Sponsorwatch]

AMEN KK !

[Mr Exotic]

I ran a non-nude swimsuit babe site my entire senior year of high school on angelfire. Thats where I learned HTML, how to upload, ect. Then I graduated high school and with my graduation money I bought my own domain and some very cheap hosting, I added a few nude pics, and some adult advertising, and was making something like 15$/day, hell that was nice supplement to my 6$/hour 20 hours/week security job, made as much on my website as I did working. Thats when I got serious about it, something I did for fun for a couple hours a week made me as much as something I absoluely hated and spent 20-30 hours to make it. I bought my own computer (started on my parents computer), got a cheap, tiny ass apartment, started spending every free moment online, in 2 months I quit my job because I was making more per day on my website than what I was making in a week working my shit hole job. And here I am, been doing it full time for almost 2 years now. You can get started very very cheaply, albeit I didnt start out with licensed adult content but with just some old Sports Illistrated swimsuit pic scans.

Now content is so cheap though anyone should be able to buy some, I just bought 5000 pics on a CD for only 100$, I see picture sets for only 3 bucks at some places.

[moose]

newbies suck

[Mr Exotic]

Although what i would really love to see is for internet porn be banned except for with an age verification, or a credit card with a paysite. As a free site operator I wish I didnt even have to worry about content. I see some TGPs saying shit like 15 pic minimum, arent they just shooting themselves in the foot when they say that? Hell I know if I was a surfer I would never pay for porn, it would be STUPID TO PAY FOR PORN NOW!!!!

I saw on one webmaster page that you werent allowed to promote join4free or any other 4 free program because he thought that surfers thinking they could get FREE porn was a BAD idea!!!! WELL JESUS FUCKING CHRIST I WONDER WHAT THE FUCK HE CALLS LISTING 100 GALLERIES PER DAY WITH A 12 PIC MINIMUM??????????????????????????

[*Kimmykim*]

"with my graduation money I bought my own domain and some very cheap hosting,"
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ROFL, even if you stole the pics to begin with you still paid for something, maybe that's why you stuck around and make money now http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

Someone banning j4f? That's interesting, remember who by any chance?

[beerman]

Tgp Galleries would be cool if the WM's Put on the lightest or should i say least revealing content, and then lead em but I see it day in and day out the hardcore Stuff Right Off the bat Yes Im Guilty of this too Wasnt til i was showed by someone that does make money off tgp subs The error of my ways.
and as far as buying content I got 6000 quality images for just little over 320 bucks from 3 different providers

[thrillseekre]

i'm patial to a marketing opinion b/c that's what my mba is in....

no matter how/what the content is, i/you can sell is with the right marketing....and i do.

so, the days of making profit b/c your hardon thibnks you can are wayyyy over. newboes aren't bad, it's just that oldies need to be more than just horny old men to make a profit. i have news, the net has changed since the days of Magellan being one of the major SE's.

if not marketing (probably the best route), then educate yourselves in some form of biz courses. unless you're wifey with a unique marketing advantage, YES, you will need something that gives you an edge....otherwise you're just another nobody trying to make a dollar. and as you've all said, there are so many out there.

i'm a newbie. don't get mad at me for being one. just get your lazy ass up and do something for yourself...use your mind, not your consoles or cock=ability system.

[flyboy]

cheer up guys, you are focussing on the wrong end of content.

Yes, there are a billion xxx pictures for free on the internet. HOWEVER my dear friends, there are NOT very many free movies.
And in fact there are absolutely very very very few free 1-on-1 video services.

So the problem is not free content. The problem is the industry (all of you obviously included)is not promoting the live/interactive aspects of porn enough. We have to send the message out to surfers that jpgs are second rate internet porn. Crap. That unless you're doing it live with real 1-on-1 girls, you're just a virtual porn newbie.

Once somebody has tried something once they are 99% more likely to try it again. And live 1-on-1 services rock.

Promoting galleries and saying "1000's more pictures like these when you pay" has limited appeal. Promoting galleries and saying "This gallery sucks compared to what i'll do for you if you talk to me live 1-on-1 now" is very real, very enticing. And much more like real prostitution, strip clubs or call girls.

I'm rambling. Point being is that not enough surfers have been live 1-on-1 with a naked girl. I bet even some of you haven't! Thats where the money will be in the long run.
Why?
a) it changes everytime, overtime, all the time
b) its personalized to the guys fetish - c) you can't steal live content
e) we won't have many webmasters giving it away for free
f) not every 14 year old kid can get into it on a whim
g) quality will truly vary from one site (or one girl actually) to another, making the market much more liquid, dynamic, and ultimately stronger.