Land of the Free my fucking Ass - Land of the White Christian Oppressors more like it

[unconnected]

A very good friend of one of my closest friends in this business is losing his job, and his pension because of the fact that he is homosexual. Land of the free my fucking ass, this man was the single most decorated man in the US military and was a General to boot, and what does that piece of shit, inbred Texan president do when he finds out he is gay? What any white Texan who is pushing to drop the seperation of the Church from the State, get him out of office as fast as he can.. The scariest thing is that this is the man that controls the Free World for the most, part, Scary for all of us non-white, non-christian, non-americans most of all.. Fuck the United States Government is what I say.. Here is an except of an email conversation when this incredible man got the news..


This story will get national exposure. Here is a highly thought of Military
General who is
going to be court marshaled for being queer! You'll hear about this on CNN
etc. in the not too
distant future. Then when the dust settles, and he's lost his pension, and
salary he's going to
need a way to support himself. He's 2 phd's but probably won't go the
academic route and
rather stay in porn. I just may be asking a favor or two ( a push in traffic
or something) for him
in the future. I feel this country owes him..............fuck this
government!

> In a message dated 01-08-04 09:27:31 EDT, you write:
>
> << Kill your sites right now! or hold firm and make a go of it >>

> Ive already desided to hold my ground, I am going to go to my court
marshall
> and
> Say YES Im here Im queer deal with it !!! I am the most decorated soldier
> currently serving, if my sexuality matters than stick it !!!
> I thought that I fought for a free and democratic country if this is no
> longer true then I am saddend that so many brave young men have died in
vain
> to protect a democracy that does not exist.
> Then I slaute and turn my back on the witch hunting bastards and PROUDLY
> accept my so called dishonorable discharge.
> I am proud to be gay and Im proud of the gay men I have served with ,
> I wont shame their memory by lying or covering up .
> If my sexual preference matters that much then they can go screw,
> I lost my Scotty in the gulf war, and have twice almost died earning two
> purple hearts and a silver star for valor, It is they who are
dishonorable
> never having fought this countries battles but sitting in judgement of a
> soldier who has.
> Hell I can always get big bucks for my Generals uniforms on e-bay http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif
> I'll cope and adjust its just another chapter in life.

[Milan]

He got what he likes the most:
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[Groovy]

haha
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[playa]

speaking as a former army vet i can tell you that he just broke the rules..

the don't ask dont tell policy was brought out by clinton,,rules are rules man,,if he told people or got caught in homo acts he will get punished according to the military law..

laws in the military and civilian life is totally different and needs to be that way.
and it can and should not be compared. Everyone in the military signed up voluntary and pretty much agreed to sell their body to government and adhere to all the rules..you know the word "GI" means government issue..military people are just government property..

and don't worry with these times he will prolly not get punished to fullest extent of the law,,,his best option is not to fight it in court and just leave with a general discharge,,,he will prolly still get all his benefits and pension

[silvertree]

Some important things for him to do.

1. talk to several civilian lawyers with extensive experience in the uniform code of military justice. this is extremely important. A civilian lawyer can question the honesty and motives of a military officer. a military lawyer cannot.

2. pick the one with the best track record and the most court marshall experience.

3. be absolutely honest with the lawyer.

4. do not let the military appointed lawyer sit in the lead chair.

5. he should say nothing to anyone and you should keep your mouth shut too. if they find any posting you make about him (even without his name) and they can prove an association, they will use your postings against him. the ucmj has different rules of evidence.

6. let his lawyer try for a plea agreement that will allow him to keep his pension. tell him to stick his ideals in the closet and work only for his own best interest. no matter what happens he is going to loose, the question is how badly. the current administration does not need this type of scandle and will probable fold, if he keeps his mouth shut (that means you too). he should remember that a martyr is someone who lost and being one on this issue is pointless. He can scream as much as he wants after the discharge papers are signed.

7. ASK (no beg) THE MODS TO DELETE THIS THREAD !!!!!!

[Shovel]

Are you saying that the most decorated serving man in the US army (two purple hearts and a silver star for valor), who also happens to be a General, is a homosexual adult webmaster? hahahahahahahahahaha. Either that is a pile of bollocks or the US millitary is fucked.

[Bill Cosby]

Shovel
I am trying to figure out if that is what he is saying also.Looks like a bunch of jibberish,but i got out of it the same ting you did:
"the most decorated serving man in the US army (two purple hearts and a silver star for valor), who also happens to be a General, is a homosexual adult webmaster? "

hahahah

[Alex From San Diego]

Some how I don't believe this story....I spent 8 years in the Army and was part of an elite unit for most of them years. I can tell you this much, homosexuals were not very well accepted when I was in. I beg to differ too, the US is land of the free, just not in the military. They have their own laws and you are owned by them. I remember when I got my first tattoo and was given an Article 15 for destruction of Government property....That is right, I was government property but it was my choice to volunteer and to serve. I broke their rule and paid for it. Now this so called General new the rules probably better than most and if he volunteered or lied about his sexual preference than it is on him. He obviously was in prior to the Clinton Administration and the new policy "Dont ask, don't tell" One of the questions asked during the enlisting process prior to this policy, is are you or have you ever engaged in homosexual activities?.....if you did and lied, then you could be prosecuted under UCMJ. Right there is a question of character. He obviously lied. He made it thru the ranks to achieve a rank of General unscathed, why in the hell so close to retirement did he need to push the envelope and expose his sexual preference. Not a very smart man in my opinion. Also what part of the new policy didn't he understand? The US military is a different world and treats all in the military equal under their laws regardless of rank. He told or revealed his sexual prefernce and broke the policy and now he has to pay. He has no one to blame but himself.

One more thing, if you don't like the US and government by which it is governed by, then get out. You are free to leave. Go live in China and try voicing your thoughts by saying fuck the Chinese government. They will strap your ass down and pull your fingernails from the root just before they silence you for eternity.

[Hamlet]

I understand that this story is somewhat unbelievable; (nonetheless, I have very good reasons to think that it is true) however, that is not the point. True or not, the situation certainly is possible, and certainly brings up very relevant arguments. It is not the fact that this general broke the rules – but that those rules shouldn’t be there in the first place. If you’re fighting for a free country, its about time people truly understood what that word means and applied it to all aspects of that country – including the military. I’ll use the very famous example of blacks during your civil war (I say your, because I am Canadian – and during this thread, I have never been prouder of that fact). It was popular opinion back then by soldiers and officers that the black men who fought along side them for “freedom” had no right to have it. How does this possibly make any sense? Were they, like today’s military, fighting to protect true freedom, or just the freedom that suites them. Like it or not, homosexuality, like different races, is here to stay. Everyone knows the only reason to treat those with opposing ideas from yourself differently is that you are afraid. Of what, I’m not sure. I believe there are plenty of things to worry about while fighting for one’s country without including the personal life of another brave soldier who’s there with you. It is my opinion that discrimination against homosexuality is as wrong and pointless as any race discrimination. You can try and argue all you want, but in the end you are merely defending your own fear.
As for how U.S. military law works, shame on any of you for defending it. Perhaps the General in question did lie to achieve his rank – but if that is what it takes to get him to the point where his fight may be heard by the public, then I say he is justified in doing so. And to those that suggest he merely tuck tail and run to get himself out of this mess and keep his pension, well that is all the more disgraceful. Freedom is not hiding who you are – it is the right to not have to hide. Some people, and thanks to them we enjoy the freedom we have, do not back down so easily in the face of adversity. Freedom is not what suites you – freedom is what suites everyone; equally.

[toker]

Hamlet you couldnt be more right on that one. As for being an adult webmaster you would be amazed at who is involved in this biz and just look at the Florida law enforcment scandel related to porn being stored in police bearu computers. Porn is spreading like wildfire and everyone is tapping into the goldrush they hear so much about.

[Dawgy]

from what i understand, gays are not liked in the military because they think it'll be bad for the "regular" guys. it'll make them uncomfortable or scared. cause maybe theyll get raped in their sleep.

after all, every gay person is a deranged sexual predator who will fuck any man they see, and probably only joined the military just so they could get a free ride and lots of sex.

am i sarcastic? yes http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

what about women in the military? wouldn't they feel uncomfortable being around all those horny straight guys? but you dont see anyone concerned about how they are treated or how they feel.

what about lesbians? i bet no one ever kicked a lesbian out of the military.

hey here's an idea. ... why dont they just put the gay guys and the straight girls in the same housing. that way the straight guys can stop being such pussies worrying about getting their asses raped, and the women will feel safer because no straight guy is gonna sneak into a woman's bunk knowing there are 100 gay guys in the same room. and since the lesbians dont seem to matter since they never get any press, they can sleep wherever the fuck they want.

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[sonicpuke]

I can't understand why people get so upset about this stuff.

It's real simple to me. Why does he feel the need to tell people who he's fucking? What does that have to do with representing our country as a general. If he was hetero I still don't see the need to bring his sex life into the situation in any way.

Under don't ask, don't tell they CANNOT ASK. So why did he tell. If he likes to fuck guys fine. Why does he feel the need to tell people about it?

As usual snot nosed democratic communists don't bother to research any facts to realize that this policy was put in place by a democrat (Clinton). So much easier to just blame everything on Bush instead with no need to find out if it's really true. Why bother with facts. They are so troublesome and might not support your cause so just make some up.

The us system is not perfect but it's the best one in the world. I guess you feel your system is perfect? I doubt that. The perfect system is yet to be devised. You may have a system that is working good in your country. But how long has that been in affect? Our system has been in place for 200+ years with very little changes and has turned our country into the strongest power in the world.

Don't be mad because you will never catch up to us. Just stick to your liberal semi-socialistic systems and 200 years from now we'll see if you catch up. I doubt it though.

You are free to be homosexual in military. Just keep it to yourself. Who wants to know anyways and why the hell do you feel everyone must know who your fucking. (homosexual or not. Keep that shit to yourself. It has nothing to do with military) I sure don't want to know who your fucking.

sonic

[unconnected]

"One more thing, if you don't like the US and government by which it is governed by, then get out. You are free to leave. Go live in China and try voicing your thoughts by saying fuck the Chinese government. They will strap your ass down and pull your fingernails from the root just before they silence you for eternity."

Oh come on, you HAVE to be kidding me.. First off, I dont' live in your arrogantly infectuous country and if I did I wouldn't hesitate for a second to get out. The entire show is run by a Christian Psychotic(two words that seem to go hand in hand) instead of an un-biased fair leader who will do what is best for the nation, oh and for all of you who are agreeing with the actions that have taken place, the word Nation isn't exclusive to the white, christian heterosexual portion of the population(Contrary to Popular belief).. As for China, your statement proves Hamlets point all together well, you are grasping straws dude, holding on to anything you can in order to prevent the acceptance of the beliefs of others that differ from your own. Is that how you justify what is going on? By comparing it to something on the extreme end of the scale and saying 'oh well, hyuck, I guess we ain't all that bad' .. Well, golly-gee, you know what I just realized? We are just wasting jail space by locking up Child molesters and rapist, I mean honestly, did they ever murder and cut up the bodies of 13 women? What was I thinking giving them a hard time, they really aren't all that bad, I can't believe I ever thought a man that raped a 4 year old girl was evil.. I mean who did he kill? WHo did he burn alive and then leave for dead? He only RAPED A 4 YEAR OLD GIRL!!!
Jesus Christ, that is the mentality I am talking about, your government and a lot of the white population always find a way to justify this bullshit, instead of dealing with the problem and seeing all the evil for what it is

[unconnected]

Perhaps he didn't come out and say 'Hi, I like it in the bum' perhaps someone just say him kissing another man, perhaps he was just sick and tired of hiding in the corners and the shadows his entire life and wanted to be free to hold hands with the man he loved in public, or show his lover where he worked..
As for Lesbians getting kicked out of the Military, well that has already happened and it was turned into a made-for-TV movie..

[sonicpuke]

You are a bigot as and you show your true colors by calling all Christians Psychotic. I guess only people who agree with you are fair right?

The seperation of church and state is in place so that religios leaders don't control our country like they did in england when we seperated from them. It's not there to restrict people who have a religion from having thier points of view like you obviously feel it should be.

I'd much rather be a homosexual in america than a tibetian monk in china. You will have much more freedom to do what you want here.

[Dawgy]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by unconnected:
As for Lesbians getting kicked out of the Military, well that has already happened and it was turned into a made-for-TV movie..</font>

wow really? i missed that. my bad. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

anyway... i dont think the guy should get kicked out. people need to stop worrying so much about the other guy, and take care of their own lives. if its so bad to be gay in the military, how come he's so decorated and high up? i mean since he's gay and all he must not be a good soldier. (sarcasm)

there's just no logic in the US system of military or government. and it doesnt stop there. it goes all the way down to local goverment, school boards even. the school board here adopted a dress code that lets girls wear skirts that barely cover their ass, but boys cant wear cargo shorts that come down to their knees. why? cuz shorts are sexually suggestive.

bah i could go off & rant all day. in short, i agree with unconnected. sometimes i wonder why i live here, but never having lived anywhere else i dont have anything to compare it to.

to think that we are a democratic society is bullshit. we have a king just like any other country. and we have a select few who make all the laws and rules for everyone else, but dont have to follow them themselves.

eh im gonna shut up now. dawgy's taking a nite off after a week of shitty sales.

woof.

[sonicpuke]

Quit making up facts.

I have never heard of someone being kicked out of the military for holding hands with a man or kissing a man.

If you have some kind of hard facts then mention them instead of making up hypotheticals that may or may not be true. (I guess facts aren't really needed though right? Much easier to just attack with whatever hypothetical ideas that pop into your mind)

There are little to no restrictions on what homosexuals can do in this country. They just need to keep it to themself if they are in the military.

I'm sure though that YOU could run the military MUCH better than the people who now do right? I guess your an expert of some sort on military and what affects "out" homosexuals would have on it? (ah no need to get any info from experts I guess if you know it all and can make up some facts to support your case though right?)

The worst thing that will happen to this guy if this story is even true (From your succeding messages I'm starting to doubt if it IS true) is that he will have to leave the military. Since our country sucks so bad then he'll be glad to move to china and find out what THEY do to homosexuals.

[unconnected]

Did I call Christians Psychotics? Strange I seem to have missed that one, I indeed do love it when the only way you can win an arguement is to put words in the mouths of others in order to make yourself seem right..
Seeing as my words are on this page, it makes your pathetic little attempt and act of futility.. I said the words Christian and Psychotic go hand in hand... Can you deny it? Hmm, shall we bring some examples out which you are so aparently oblivious to?
Hmm, how about the Crusades? Ever heard of the Klu Klux Klan or the Aryan Nation? and then there is that little incident in the 30's and 40's called the Holocaust, all in the name of Racial Purification in the eyes of god, their god coincidentally...
And Yes, we have all seen 7 years in Tibet and know exactly how the Chinese treated the monks there, but once again I am humored how you relentless justify the bigotry of the most powerful men in your country by comparing it to the bigotry of others..

"There are little to no restrictions on what homosexuals can do in this country. They just need to keep it to themself if they are in the military."

You of course know this from First hand experience of course.. 80% of my closest friends and associates are homosexual and I will tell you different.. No restrictions you say ? Do me a favour, spend an entire day holding hands with a man and going about a regular day in public and see if you have no restrictions, see if you are treated the same with the same Liberties. It is always easy to speak of liberties, and democracy when you fall in the Social class that the laws, and democracies were built exclusively for...

[sonicpuke]

The entire show is run by a Christian Psychotic(two words that seem to go hand in hand)
Yes you did imply/say that christians are all psychotic http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif
(And no I'm not some die hard christian either I just don't like bigotry including against homosexuals.)

Of course your going to bring up examples of christian bigotry throughout the last 1000 years. Will you also credit/blame your country/race/system for the injustice they have comitted hundreds of years ago? Of course not. The crusades have been over for hundreds of years. The klu klux klan is a fringe group with no power in this country anymore. While there have been injustices commited by different countries/races/systems over the years there is NO GROUP that is totally without shame/blame in commiting these sort of acts. Is George Bush or america somehow responsible for the crusades? As I recall our entire country did thier part in stamping out the holocaust? I mean come on. I thought you were talking about homosexuals in the military? Are you comparing it to the holocaust or the crusades?

There IS IN FACT discrimination against homosexuals (And other minority groups too) in america (AND IN EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD). But that is something that has been decreasing here. The majority of americans do not support discrimination or bigotry no matter what you think. Someday the don't ask don't tell policy might even be changed who knows. For now it's our law though and like MANY laws is imperfect. I just get angry because people attack my country as some sort of refuge of the most evil people on earth and it's just not true. We are not perfect but we are TRYING.

I don't have first hand experience of BEING a homosexual so it's hard for me to claim I know it all about how homosexuals are discriminated against. But I do know this. I worked for a man who was homosexual for over 10 years as a foreman at his landscape design company. Also while it wasn't a "gay" company my boss did hire homosexuals to work for him. (At times up to just guessing 40% of the workforce there) Because of this I have been around homosexuals quite a bit and have had friends who are homosexual.

Some of these people were more obviously gay than others. My boss wasn't what I would call "flaming" gay but he certainly wasn't ashamed to be gay. If anyone asked he would NEVER try to act like he wasn't. Most if not all of our customers knew he was gay and SOME of the employees WERE more obviously gay. I have no doubt that there was discrimination in these peoples lives at all. But this surely is NOT the land of white christian oppressors you claim it is. I never saw any obvious discrimination against my boss or the gay employess I worked with. (I have ZERO doubt that it did happen though. But it's not as all pervasive as you make it seem. And it gets rarer and rarer every day in my oppinion.)

Our country has a long way to go to be completly un-bigoted that is for sure. But we've come a long way and we are always moving foward. Minorities need special protections at times and that is one of the cornerstones of our country. Is it perfect? Hell no but neither is wherever you live. It is a very free society though and in my opinion the best in the world.

So I guess what your saying is that where you live is gay paradise an no one has EVER in the last 1000 years (That seems to be what were talking about now?) discriminated against gays? I guess your military (Wherever you are) has allowed blatent gays in with no restrictions since the very dawn of time?

Don't ask don't tell is not the perfect system. It's what we have right now. 10 years ago they could actually spy on you or try to catch you somehow to prove you were gay. It's a big step forward from how gays were treated in the military and maybe it will even be changed in the future. Who knows. I just hate it when people spout out about how hateful and evil americans are though. While not perfect the don't ask don't tell program was meant to HELP gays from being spied on and run out of the military for no good reason. It IS extra strain on thier lives to not tell people the fact they are gay. But at least they know that if they don't tell they will not be discriminated for what they do in their personal lives.

There are countries still that will just run you out of the military if they can catch you at a gay bar. Here they can't do that anymore. If your gayness does not intrude into your military life what difference.should it make? That is the whole point of don't ask don't tell.

As for the bigotry in other countries. I just mention china because they are the biggest example of a communist country right now. You seem to suggest that a more socialistic state would be better than the democratic republic we have in america. China and the other socialistic states of the past show this is not true. The socialisitic states wouldn't even have don't ask don't tell. If they thought you were gay they'd probabbly just kill you or some other barbaric thing. Much more civil in democratic republic. You can be christian, gay whatever you like. It's all good.

We are NOT the devil of the world and I get sick of hearing it. We are the most free country on earth and getting more free every day.

[Hamlet]

my cat's breath smells like cat food http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/tongue.gif

[richard]

Hamlet, ROFLMAO.

Timmy!

[unconnected]

"We are the most free country on earth and getting more free every day"
Spoken as a true world traveler..
That is where I will draw the difference between your people and mine.. I would like to think full heartedly that my country is the best in the world, but I would never come out and say it like that, as I have not been to every single other country in the world right..Especially when my country isn't the top country according to the UN polls this year..
So now there are limits and restrictions on homosexuals in the US? Good to hear reality has set in and you can acknowledge it.. There exists prejudices against every race, every religion, ever sexual orientation everywhere in the world, this isn't what I am arguing here. What we are arguing is that the leader of the 'Free world' as it is so cleverly named by those who live in it and are of white christian background, endorses this kind of descrimination, and practices it.
That is what this whole post was to make everyone aware of..
Your country is not the most free nation in the world and it isn't the best nation in the world, and neither is mine. I know this with full confidence because I DON'T know this with full certainty and only omnipotence will prove me wrong..
What happened today to a great General that has helped to bring the US to it's state of freedom is wrong in every sense of the word, not because the United states of america is a bad country, or that you are bad people, but because it is run by a Government that is not inplace to represent everyone as they are meant to in theory, but the majority population that controls the majority of wealth and power..
My two cents

[Kree]

I have to say sometime about everyone comparing being a "minority" with being "gay". They are not the same and can not be compared.

Homosexuality is who you sleep with. Being of a a non-white race is who you are and can be "mostly" easily indentified.

If a Black man who is gay and a white man who is also gay, apply for the same job. If both are equally qualified, but have to be interviewed by a bigot, who hates Blacks and Gays. If both are not "sterotypically" gay. The white guy will get the job everytime.

Unless ofcourse, they hold hands and cuddle in the office lobby. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[sonicpuke]

Land of the Free my fucking Ass - Land of the White Christian Oppressors more like it.

Your title alone is what makes me mention my feeling that my country is the best in the world.

You know nothing about us but you feel you must attack.

I in turn feel I have to stick up for my country.

It's just as simple as that. Our country is evolving just like any thing else but I do believe it it is the best place to be in the world.

Since you took such a nasty shot I have to stick up for my country.

I never said I thought discrimination was good. But you make wild accusations and insult my country as "White Christian Oppressors". I never called you, your race, or your country such things. I guess the worst thing I did was think my country is the best? Well I guess all us "White Christian Oppressors" should just quietly take this? Give me a break. Our country is a lot better than the land of the WCO you claim. And I for one think it's the best place to live bar none.

[Angel11]

I can believe that the story would be true. My husband is an Ex-Marine and while he was serving 2 men in another company were caught together and discharged. You would be surprised how many men are discharged from the military for being gay and you never hear about it because to the military and government thats a disgrace. We are lead to believe we are free to make our own choices but really if you look at it closely the only time we have alot of options to choose from is something minut and meaningless.
We have 31 different flavors of ice cream and 700 channels to choose from and only 3 electorial parties for us to elect from and thats if you count independants.

[William]

Why use the term minority for people who have a different sexual preference? I mean, if I have a fetish for kitchen tables or something bizzare like that, would I be a minority too? According to your defination, I would be.

Personally I think that the term minority should only be used for certain races and religions. But hey, that's only my opinion. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/tongue.gif

[William]

Defination = Definition

Forgive the typos.

[jayeff]

It's 2:40am in the land of the free... my local bar only had 3 fights tonight and the police only checked the place out twice. If we want to go out tonight and shoot someone, our guns are easily accessible, behind our truck cabs.

Oh and of course, if an oppressive government should get into power, they will respect the constitution that allows us to own weapons so that we can protect ourselves against oppressive governments...

I'm not clear... you were in favor of gay rights or against them?

[William]

Do you consider it a right to own weapons? We are hardly allowed to own even air-soft "weapons" legally... http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif

[basschick]

i would consider any group that is smaller in amount than the 'norm' a minority. minor sorta meaning small, i don't see why that should apply to only certain races.

george w is overturning large portions of the constitution of the u.s. - why do so many ex-military guys feel that is okay? the constitution was what founded our country, and the people that wrote it said that separation of church and state are what define our country.

i have seen no election that overturned this, yet the mainstream version of christianity (not the bible version, which defines kindness and "judge not lest ye be judged")is now running our country, even though it is against the law.

wouldn't that make our present government criminals?

[William]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by basschick:
wouldn't that make our present government criminals?</font>

Tell us something we didn't know. *lol*

[playa]

I like to repeat a previous statement..

homosexual and race is not the same and please do not compare it..

if you never been in the US military then you don't understand..You loose all your freedoms when you sign up and just become another property of the government for ever long you signed up for.

WHY does most of the military don't like gays,,,hmm let me do a quick poll and you can see why and i bet most people agrees,,

here is the scenario

you and a KNOWN gay guy is in a foxhole
he gets shot and blood is everywhere.
with the stereotypes and stats of gays with AIDS...is there a fear when you try to help this guy?

lets switch it you get shot up and do you want this gay guy helping you?

now i know someone would say well hetero guy can have AIDS also but what are the chances with homosexuals?

now i am not HOMOPHOBIC..living in atlanta i seen and know my share of gays,,,just stating the general feels of people in the military...

[jayeff]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by playa:
just stating the general feels of people in the military...
</font>


Sorry Playa... you may be quoting today's rationalization for homophobia in the US military, but the situation is actually better than it used to be and it isn't so long ago that no-one had even heard of AIDS.

[sonicpuke]

BULSHIT &gt;&gt; george w is overturning large portions of the constitution of the u.s.

No president can overturn even the smallest part of the constitution. If you knew the slightest thing about our country you'd know that.

I guess I should have known better than to even get involved in a serious discussion.

Facts not needed here. Let me guess basschick you heard that from an alien who shot jfk at roswell?

Since noone answers my serious questions and all they can do is come up with wild conspiracy theories when they really know ZERO about this country and how it's run I'm gonna just quit talking now since obviously you can't have serious talks with people who make up facts and don't have a grasp of what the truth is. (Who needs the truth eh? Just accuse and accuse of the wildest things we can think up and some people will actually believe it as fact?)

[unconnected]

Hehehe, oh man, that is hilarious..
What are you 16 years old or what?
You are telling a fully grown woman who was probably learning about the consitution before you were born that she doesn't know anything about your country eh?
Are you that blindly patriotic?
It is this kind of blind belief that is the reason this great man was Court Marshaled in the first place...

[Alex From San Diego]

Unconnected, your handle fits you perfect. You don't know shit about the US constitution. I don't know where you are from but you are way removed from what the United States stands for and represents. We are not a perfect country, but we are the dam closest thing to freedom. Why don't you tell us where you are from or are you to ashamed to.

[silvertree]

This man is free to do anything he wishes as long as he harms no other individual.

This is my personal opinion, however it is not the law of the land or the law of the military which are two separate and distinct things

The law of the land is bound by the constitution as interpreted (yes interpreted) by the supreme court. Laws are perposed by the president or congress, passed by the congress and intrepreted by the supreme court. This is a system of checks and balances.

The law of the military is the Uniform Code of Military Justice is proposed by the military, president, or congress. The congress approves it and the president signs it. The thing that is missing is the supreme court. The thing that is missing is that there is no appeal to the supreme court. On a military base, as soldier is not protected by the constitution. In a military court the military defense cannot question the honest of a military officer. If he does, he may be defending himself at his own court marshall.

While I am on my soapbox. The right of an individual to bear arms is granted by the Bill of Rights. The opinion of the framers of the Constitution is clear, if you read the Federalist Papers and Jefferson's, Adam's, and many others writings. It was their opinion that an armed population was the only way to prevent the establishment of an oppressive government. An Example, during the Vietnam war, Nixon refurbished several WWII military bases as prison camps. He intended to stop the protesters. The military of all people convinced him that they could not defeat an armed population and more that half of the armed services would join the population in revolt.

Well so much for my soap box.

General, whoever you might be, good luck and get yourself the best civilian lawyer you can afford.

[HeLiS]

you guys have no idea what freedom it does not mean to have make your own rules or control something which is not yours freedom is you have to right to say yes or no to something

eg
do you want to join the US army and follow there rules including not being gay?

you either agree or dont agree you do not have the power to change something which isnt yours so dont even attemp to say this general has no freedom he said yes to there rules that was his choise and his freedom no one said your in the army dont be gay

dont make freedom anything more then what it is its as simple as yes or no nothing more nothing less


and you know what we will never have freedom we will always pay taxes we will one day die and we dont always get to sleep with carmen electra

so sorry to say the general is gay and carmen wont sleep with me lifes a bitch and then you die http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[xero]

Let me add something.....

Personally, I think these right wing jesus freaks who would do something like that should be kicked out of the fucking country. They are gay homo-phobes if you ask me. We made the mistake as a country of electing G. W. Bush into office, because this will only continue with his views.

Im striat, and I dont think that there is a problem with having people with different sexual prefrences in the army, or anywhere for that matter. They are equal citizens, and you cannot take that away from them.

-Xero
(The Liberal)

[magnatique]

The question with this story shouldn't be if what they did to the military guy was wrong or not... cuz it WASN'T wrong....

what might be wrong is that this law was in place at the first time..

I mean, USA is evolving like any other nations... not so long ago, blacks had no rights... they changed that. Canada changed it some 10s of years before the USA.... does that make Canada more of the land of the free? Ok maybe http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

but what I mean is that it doesn't make the USA anti-democratic because they follow the rules they have in place. they can't just go and say, oh, let's just pass on this one... especially the military where all has to be ordered I presume.


What HAS to be seen is if in the near future they will change that rule to include homosexuals as equals...

now, perhaps they don't right now, but I'm curious to see what England doesn't have that the United states do have, and Vice Verca... I mean, all country have their good and wrongs..

for my part, I believe we are more free in canada than anywhere else I've been (USA is the only place I've been LOL)

well, maybe not free, but it's more calm, I mean you feel more secure here than where I've been... but we pay more tax, and these damn Yanks think we all have bears in our backyards :P

[playa]

one of the hardest things i had to do when i was in the military was tell a man he could live in the same house with his wife because they had domestic problems,,,

now where was his rights? in other words you don't have the same rights in the military as to a normal citizens..

Why is like this? Well think about it..if i was in WAR and i told someone to take this hill and he disobeyed,,legally i can kill him for disobeying a lawful order...

everyone joins agrees to loosing these rights,,
fucked up yes,,,
necessary very much so

[HeLiS]

"and these damn Yanks think we all have bears in our backyards :P"

you think thats bad the yanks think we have kangaroo's jumping down the street...

and if ya want freedom goto fiji i hear they pay almost no tax and company profit tax is only 1% ya cant beat that

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[magnatique]

LOL helis http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[unconnected]

Hehe, American's preconceptions on Canada has to be one of the funniest things in the world... I live in a huge tourist spot in Canada and we get a lot of Americans up here, and man, the shit that comes out of their mouths is pretty funny..
First of all, I would say about 1 in 10 didn't know, before they came here, that we had a different currency, they just looked at the 10 dollar bill( especially the new ones) and couldn't figure out what to do with it. I think it is also a huge let down when they find out we have been using a dollar coin for the past 8 million years..
Another thing is that they are obsessed with the idea that we still use DogSled teams EVERYWHERE as our mode de transportation..
Funny ass shit, especially when some of them don't knwo where Canada is... I admit, this was just an incredibly ignorant person, I just looked the guy straight in the face and asked him "What the hell did you think was in-between Washington and Alaska ?" Needless to say he didn't reply...