Spammer issue Please READ!!!

[toker]

Ok your email could be sold as this guy claims he bought 600k emails and blatently tells me they were opted in. Now first of all i "NEVER" opt-in any lists not even use my ISP mail address for anything related to business and i knew something was up when i got this. I wanted to know what was going on and i got my answer from an asshole who does not care who he spams and clearly stats this in this conversation over ICQ.

The guy will be reported to my ISP and his host and if you recieved an email related to myporncentral.com mailing list please report to his provider immeaditly.

Im told because i can refuse the email its not spam by him which is total crap.

----- Begin ICQ conversation -----

KingFoo: (9:08 PM) what do you want to know about myporncentral.com webmaster program?
Toker: (9:08 PM) i want to know who runs it
KingFoo: (9:08 PM) why
Toker: (9:08 PM) because i do
Toker: (9:08 PM) why is it your concern?
KingFoo: (9:09 PM) lol, well ask your questions, I own it
Toker: (9:10 PM) lets start with why you spammed me?
Toker: (9:10 PM) and dont say no i dont do that
KingFoo: (9:10 PM) whats your address I will see who I bought the list from
Toker: (9:10 PM) no you tell me who sold you the list?
KingFoo: (9:10 PM) were susposed to be adult opt-in lists that I bought
KingFoo: (9:10 PM) i bought severa lists
Toker: (9:10 PM) i want to know who is doing this because im getting all kinds of this shit
KingFoo: (9:11 PM) if you tell me your address I can do a search
Toker: (9:11 PM) i didnt opt in your site regardless if i opted into another site
KingFoo: (9:11 PM) man do you want help or not?
Toker: (9:12 PM) hold on
Toker: (9:12 PM) *EDITED*@bellsouth.net
KingFoo: (9:12 PM) and whats was the email address it was sent from? I can actually find out from that
Toker: (9:12 PM) and i never opt in and adult related things with that
Toker: (9:13 PM) From: bettyb1230@aol.com
Return-Path: <nobody@infiniti.isprime.com>
Received: from infiniti.isprime.com ([130.94.136.132])
KingFoo: (9:13 PM) A guy named paul henning in the UK
Toker: (9:14 PM) really what company does he own or a domain or AWI nick?
KingFoo: (9:15 PM) he doesn't hang out there, company name I could find out, its part of 600k adult emails he has sold to me, I will make sure you are off my lists for good
Toker: (9:16 PM) well i need his details as he is selling my info illegaly
Toker: (9:16 PM) i will be persuing this thru my ISP since it was done to my primary ISP email
KingFoo: (9:16 PM) first he is in the UK, can't do shit, second, it would be a freaking waste of time
Toker: (9:17 PM) um no its not a waste of time
Toker: (9:17 PM) its people like you with that attitude that keeps this shit happening
Toker: (9:17 PM) you cannot just buy a list that means you can spam becuase someone opted into my site
Toker: (9:18 PM) and i never submit that email for anything related to adult period and raely use it period
Toker: (9:20 PM) BTW i will be making this clear on AWI that you are doing this and expect you to get this guys details to me or i will forward your info to my ISP who will deal with you and to your hosts upstream provider i wont even deal wih your host.
KingFoo: (9:20 PM) go ahead, you had the right to get off the list. I already talked to my host about the list I bought and after I emailed it
Toker: (9:21 PM) no i didnt have the right to recieve it in the first place
Toker: (9:21 PM) you fuvcked up now you must pay the consequences
KingFoo: (9:22 PM) best thing you can do is go to church and pray for me
Toker: (9:22 PM) i will also be sure to ask your ISP if they want to be blacklisted by every bellsouth users email because i can make sure to have your termed or every IP they own blocked from sending mail and have gotten it done before with hosts who fial to comply
Toker: (9:23 PM) and ask them why they told a user he could use them to spam
Toker: (9:23 PM) conversition over im posting this to AWI you have 24hrs to provide me this guys shit or i go to my ISP
KingFoo: (9:23 PM) you need a hobby, I sugest cutting your wrists

Toker: (9:24 PM) yep better then spamming i guess
KingFoo: (9:24 PM) go for it, send me your address and I will mail you a special package of sharpe new ones
KingFoo: (9:26 PM) i will add your address to the publishers clearing house to you can sit at home and pee your pants about how you got mailed
Toker: (9:26 PM) keep going its all logged
Toker: (9:27 PM) and all will be used against you
KingFoo: (9:27 PM) go ahead
KingFoo: (9:27 PM) go ahead
KingFoo: (9:29 PM) make sure you post the email sent to you and with all headers and the remove links
Toker: (9:30 PM) dont matter i didnt opt in regardless
KingFoo: (9:31 PM) according to the list I bought you did, plus I provided a link to be removed. I broke no laws
KingFoo: (9:31 PM) Piranha New Media
Studio 305 Mill Studio Crane Mead
Ware, Hertfordshire
SG12 9PY
UK
Toker: (9:32 PM) no i didnt opt in he grabbed that off a domain whois information thats the only way
KingFoo: (9:33 PM) well talk to them, you have all the info I have
Toker: (9:33 PM) so thats BS
KingFoo: (9:34 PM) that was the standard message, when we buy a list we dump it to our signup box, we mail a small % to test if the list we really bought was adult. you are the 1st to complain about this list
KingFoo: (9:34 PM) 300k people, you are the first to complain

------- End Concversation -------

As you can see he admits i did not signup thru his site so therefore = Spam

------ His Spam As Per His Request --------

Thanks for registering with us. But before we can send you the free porn you need to click on the link below to confirm that this is what you want.

By joining this list you will recieve 10 free pictures in your email every few days. We won't sell your address or give it away.

If you do not wish to recieve free porn in your email, please just delete this email from your computer and forgive us.

http://www.myporncentral.com/mail/confirm.cgi?code=99694495626033

(in HTML): <a href="http://www.myporncentral.com/mail/confirm.cgi?code=99694495626033">Click Here</a>

Note to user: The only way to get this email is to have it submited in a email box on our site. We do not send spam emails. If you do not confirm this email you will not hear from us again.

[Bill Cosby]

What kingfoo did was not illegal,or break any laws.
If you do not forge headers,rape an open relay(send thru someone elses server without permission),or dont provide a way to opt out..there is nothing wrong with what he did,and no court will help you out.

sorry its life.

[toker]

Court may not help but my ISP will and that email as never been used for anything related to adult so therefore if i had been a minor recieving this it would be fucked up. Second he blackmails me makes a threat to add me to more lists and it was spam. I promise you my ISP will see it as that and so will his host im sure.

You cant just buy 600k emails and spam them anytime you want just because joe blow says everyone opted in. I don believe i will be the only one upset about this from 300k users and i dont even believe he bought these emails.

The main thing here is he gets exposed and people know what they may get this crap. they can then decide what action to take as i have. Im not looking for a cash settelment i just wanted to expose his ass and i did just that.

[candidpublishinginc]

What kingfoo did was violate the AUPs of his ISP, web host, and the upstream provider his web host uses.

Spam may not be illegal, but you will get your Internet connection canned if you continue doing it.

Also Bill I guess you didn't read the whole log because it does appear that the headers were forged:

From: bettyb1230@aol.com
Return-Path: <nobody@infiniti.isprime.com>
Received: from infiniti.isprime.com ([130.94.136.132])

That looks like it's coming from AOL.

[tdawg]

LOL , toker your a moron , kingfoo is a good guy and he is not a spammer , he is a good business man and has a grasp on something alot of people dont , I have never known king to SPAM like you are accusing him of, grow up toker and relax , move on and deal with it!!
KING hang in there buddy:-)

[lvent]

candid, headers were not forged that return address it used to collect dead emails and remove/block requests. the isprime header came from the server that sent the email

http://www.myporncentral.com/mail/

not forged, check it out if you want

[candidpublishinginc]

Wow look at those 1 post wonders go!

If the headers weren't forged, why did toker report the following:

From: bettyb1230@aol.com
Return-Path: <nobody@infiniti.isprime.com>
Received: from infiniti.isprime.com ([130.94.136.132])

[lvent]

Return-Path: <nobody@infiniti.isprime.com>
Received: from mh3-tx.mail.home.com ([65.10.73.139])
by femail42.sdc1.sfba.home.com
(InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP
id <20010805015453.LSOJ374.femail42.sdc1.sfba.home.co m@mh3-tx.mail.home.com>
for <kingfoo5@mail.chmpgn1.il.home.com>;
Sat, 4 Aug 2001 18:54:53 -0700
Received: from mx3-tx.mail.home.com (mx3-tx.mail.home.com [65.10.73.135])
by mh3-tx.mail.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA03081
for <kingfoo5@home.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 18:54:52 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from infiniti.isprime.com (infiniti.isprime.com [130.94.136.132])
by mx3-tx.mail.home.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f751spX25231
for <kingfoo5@home.com>; Sat, 4 Aug 2001 18:54:52 -0700 (PDT)
Received: (from nobody@localhost)
by infiniti.isprime.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f751soX93826;
Sat, 4 Aug 2001 21:54:50 -0400 (EDT)
(envelope-from nobody)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 21:54:50 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id: <200108050154.f751soX93826@infiniti.isprime.com>
From: bettyb1230@aol.com
To: lvent@myporncentral.com

there is the entire header, the one toker got would be the same just switch some email addressed

[candidpublishinginc]

It's still forged champ. It looks like it comes from an AOL account. But it's clearly not based on the headers.

AOL hates stuff like this. Companies that spammed and made it look like it came from hotmail got sued.

[toker]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by tdawg:
LOL , toker your a moron , kingfoo is a good guy and he is not a spammer , he is a good business man and has a grasp on something alot of people dont , I have never known king to SPAM like you are accusing him of, grow up toker and relax , move on and deal with it!!
KING hang in there buddy:-)</font>


Im sure TIM or someone can match up the IPs for these 2 people and announce the findings please?

[candidpublishinginc]

Toker,

I have a feeling both of those 1 post wonders are behind anon proxy servers. How odd.

[lvent]

toker good idea. and when you do look close the thread unless bill is going to bring back his yummy yummy pudding pops

[lvent]

I bet tdawg is 24.219.172.242
and mine is 24.181.128.56

[toker]

yea wonder how you would know that?

[lvent]

talking to him on the sextracker chat, irc.sextracker.com #webmasters maybe you should join

[deniska]

I see that the email was sent from one of our virtual hosting servers. We will be investigating this mailing. KingFroo please contact me as I already spoke to Toker about this. I am looking forward to resolving this issue ASAP.

[toker]

Just a quick update here his host has contacted me and we are working on it isprime is not very happy with this. He is on very thin ICE as of this moment and he apparently lied to the host and said he collected these emails from his site.

He just might be history as of tomorrow if another complaint comes in but we will see what happens.

Least someone seems to care about their business and know how to handle issues professionally.

[deniska]

Toker is right we dont tollerate spam. But we do allow optin email list mailings from our network. If this list was infact a spam list the users account will be suspended. But I do want to speak to KingFoo first to see what he has to say, before I base my judgement.

[playa]

i am alittle confused,,,

if you buy emails from someone else's opt in list is it still opt in?

if you want to promote a program its best to just buy adverts space from adult mailing lists

[SpyCam]

Playa, as i know opt-in is opt-in when you collect all emails yourself

when you sell the list it becomes a simple spam list.

[shane94]

I hate that shit too. I get emails that said i joined a opt in list on my personal email address. The only ones who have that address is freinds and family. Then it has that bullshit at the bottom. "This is not spam. you are receieving this email becuase you joined a list at one of or sites or parteners site"

Yeah right SPAM the other potted meat!

Toker Kick his ass! I got your back all the way!

Shane

[blind]

Hell yeah toker, BellSouth DSL

[kong]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by tdawg:
LOL , toker your a moron , kingfoo is a good guy and he is not a spammer , he is a good business man and has a grasp on something alot of people dont , I have never known king to SPAM like you are accusing him of, grow up toker and relax , move on and deal with it!!
KING hang in there buddy:-)</font>

We paid KingFoo for a script that was never fully installed.

And the part he did install included an .htaccess file that redirected 404 traffic to his site.

Kong

[Bill Cosby]

"Playa, as i know opt-in is opt-in when you collect all emails yourself
when you sell the list it becomes a simple spam list. "

Its all about the terms that joined the list under.......if the terms state your email is going to be done "whatever" with.....then "whatever" will be done with your email.

its all in the terms http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Most lists that are collected have these sort of terms in them.

[candidpublishinginc]

Selling an "opt in" list is BS.

There's no way to prove that it's opt in.

[Bullet]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by deniska:
Toker is right we dont tollerate spam. But we do allow optin email list mailings from our network. If this list was infact a spam list the users account will be suspended. But I do want to speak to KingFoo first to see what he has to say, before I base my judgement.</font>


Deniska, his site, justfind.org is on your virtual account. He's some kid from champaign ill.

His aol addy is kingfoo18@aol.com

[Doctor Dre]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by tdawg:
LOL , toker your a moron , kingfoo is a good guy and he is not a spammer , he is a good business man and has a grasp on something alot of people dont , I have never known king to SPAM like you are accusing him of, grow up toker and relax , move on and deal with it!!
KING hang in there buddy:-)</font>

tdawg
Little Jerk
Posts: 1


=p

[Bill Cosby]

Candid once again your newbiness shines through....this happens everyday....period.

your personal mailing info is bought and sold like the stock market,and it is not illegal.

[lvent]

kong I thought you were handled. anyhow shoot me an email lvent@myporncentral.com and I will get a refund to you and get you a working version of the script. or message me on icq

[lvent]

i list is bought that has terms alowing us to buy it. The list is them imported into our sumbit box, unless the person confirms the account with us they are never mailed again. I have bought tons of emails this way and have little complaints what so ever. only itme complaints do arise is when they list is not adult and I was sold something I didn't know I was buying.

[toker]

Best to quit while you still have an account on AOL you little lamer. Every word you type is a BS lie you cannot prove where you go those emails and i doubt you flew to UK or recieved an offer from UK in your postal mail.

So how is it you have no email nor and web address for this list seller how did you make contact?

Its not over as you keep telling BS lies im sick of your shit and if your host dont close you down i will take it 1 level higher. With that said you can rest assured i will be persueing this and have it on the very TOP of my agenda. I really hope you have an AOL account to because they will term you also for using them as a gateway to delever spam. http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

Keep shooting more BS its all going to build a much greater case agaist you. I wonder if you did so many mailings why you host does not know about the others?

[lvent]

toker I have name address phone numbers and all. i refuse to help your retarded cause anymore. What is your program? 99% of people that start shit on this board just want to get their name out. so please just tell me so we can give you a plug and end this worthless ranting by you.

[candidpublishinginc]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Bill Cosby:
Candid once again your newbiness shines through....this happens everyday....period.

your personal mailing info is bought and sold like the stock market,and it is not illegal.

</font>

Bill,

You're nothing more than a shit talker. The reality is that most reputable opt in mailing lists are rented not bought.

Tell me Bill. Unless it's a reputable company, how can you tell if the list is really opt in or spam?

Oh right Bill I'm such a newbie. Sure I am champ. So Bill what web sites do you run? Do you run any webmaster programs by any chance? Impress me bud, cause you're nothing more than a shit talker as far as I'm concerned.

[toker]

That is true many repytable lists dont sell this info but rater do the mailing for partners or renters in such case as PostMasterDirect.com who rents out mailings.

Legit companies in our industry like absolutefreesmut.com same thing they will plug ads for you but not sell out their user base. It makes the list much less profitable for them and removes their name from the picture totally.

There are companies who sell lists that are legit but most only sell to big corps and they sell this as targeted info. If you bought a good list you would have IP the users join under, the dates and times, none of which this guy has.

[wolfshade]

Sjeeez will ya all stop acting like little children?

What's the big deal anyway? An email account is a "virtual" mailbox and works just like the one in real life you receive mail in it.

Just like your local supermarket drops their folder in your mailbox webmasters mail you with their shit.

Don't want the folder from your supermarket? Put up a sticker saying no ads please and they wil leave ya alone. Don't want spam mail? install a filter and you won't receive spam. Plain and simple.

So you received one email from that kingfoo character well Booo fucking hoo, you are actualy going to waste that much time on one email that you didn't want?????

And webmasters wonder why they don't make money these days. Well if you spend your time bitching and complaining you won't have time to be a webmaster plain and simple.

Don't look at me I have a staff working for me, I can afford to bitch the work gets done http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

As for the remarks on spamming on the lists that are sold the collected emails are from opt-in lists(usualy) their terms will state someting like our products and our partners products blah blah blah making it perfectly legal.

In other words quit being a child and stop overreacting. If you realy hate it that much at http://www.davecentral.com are plenty of spamfilters available for free http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Now quit whining and back to work
*taking out the whip*
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Wolfshade

[Bill Cosby]

yes candy i am shit talker, i admit.

but i only speak the truth.

And as far as proving myself to you..there is no need to..you are nothing

[jayeff]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by wolfshade:
Sjeeez will ya all stop acting like little children?

What's the big deal anyway? An email account is a "virtual" mailbox and works just like the one in real life you receive mail in it.

Just like your local supermarket drops their folder in your mailbox webmasters mail you with their shit.

Don't want the folder from your supermarket? Put up a sticker saying no ads please and they wil leave ya alone. Don't want spam mail? install a filter and you won't receive spam. Plain and simple.

So you received one email from that kingfoo character well Booo fucking hoo, you are actualy going to waste that much time on one email that you didn't want?????

And webmasters wonder why they don't make money these days. Well if you spend your time bitching and complaining you won't have time to be a webmaster plain and simple.

Don't look at me I have a staff working for me, I can afford to bitch the work gets done http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

As for the remarks on spamming on the lists that are sold the collected emails are from opt-in lists(usualy) their terms will state someting like our products and our partners products blah blah blah making it perfectly legal.

In other words quit being a child and stop overreacting. If you realy hate it that much at http://www.davecentral.com are plenty of spamfilters available for free http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Now quit whining and back to work
*taking out the whip*
http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Wolfshade</font>

It never made much sense to me either that something so easily dealt with, bothers some people so much.

Fact is that in the past 5 years, I have found software, sponsors, resources... even webmaster boards, by actually reading a lot of the "spam" that isn't along the lines of "earn $10,000 in a week".

[toker]

What you fail to realise is this wastes not only time but bandwidth and the email he used happens to be quota so it also takes up my allocated space. If i went out of town and got spam every day like this and never did anything how long before i would reack quota?

This is not the only person i have complained about nor will he be the last.

I pay for my shit and i deserve to not be spammed and not have to filter especially adult material. You dont know if i have fuckin kids and i dont use that email for porn or business period.

I have been on the ISP services mailing lists and i have seen all the shit they want to do because of spam issues and also how much time ISPs have to spend on closed accounts and shit mail that gets redirected to postmaster accounts. You are not very smart to even say things like that and obviously dont care about anyone else or theeir time.

MAny ISPs are now looking at adding aditional fees to handle mail to cover the excessive costs created by spam. Obviously you dont know shit about your own industry or just very stupid and just so you know how bad it is. Many large ISPs now block all incomming mail from open relays also known as open proxys which have been used for years to cut down expenses and time for smaller guys. Now users must auth on every email before a mail can be sent otherwise they get blacklisted.

On top of that issue there is a company which im sure your such a newbee you have no clue about Maps (mail abuse prevention system) which most legitimate companys use who now has to charge for services which have been free for years. Now again this hurts smaller ISPs and forces higher assecc or mail fees.

If you dont know or want to get clued in on the basic regulations brought forward by ISPs you should take reading http://mail-abuse.org and yes my ISP bellsouth.net will also block "ALL" mail originating from the IP block of any provider who allows this shit. They will also if seek damages to cover any legal costs and damages that may arise as well as back me on these issues 100%.

Im not a fuckin newbee i know my fuckin rights and i dont think someone should get away with spam when others get fined thousands of dollars in bandwidth fees for it. This guys ISP does know that if an ISP were to consider taking action they could wind up paying damages and they also dont want me or my ISP going to their upstream. This is very clear and there is a reason so dont talk shit shit you dont know anything about.

Now go fuckin READ the policies http://mail-abuse.org and become a clubee..and they do apply to each and every internet User as well as Service Provider!

[toker]

Also this issue is not over and i amd still persuing this matter to the fullest extent just to make an example out of this fucker for everyone esle who decides they dont care. I fuckin care and i will shut your ass down just as well as any other mother fucker who spams me with porn shit.

This is my fuckin industry as well and i do a fuck about it i dont shit where i lay my head. So if you want to be next just be sure to try me and you can go down right along side this fucker.

[Bill Cosby]

Toker
lighten up.
why dont you just unplug your computer and get off the net.
every fucking day your snail mail gets spammed to death.....go out and yell at your post office for that.......that shit takes up WAY more resources then e-mail could ever even dream of.Millions of CD roms coming from AOL to name one......think of the time and resources around the fucking world that takes.

as far as "rights"

well the constitution gives you certain rights from your government. Has nothing to do with your email account.

[Jon]

I agree with toker at first when you recieve maybe 1 or 2 spams every couple days...No biggie...but when these days you recieve 15 to 16 a day *well me anyways* You start getting annoyed...Alot of them you can't stop but for the ones like kungfoo or whatever...Its quite simple to track him so why not...If people get away with this why would they stop?

And Mr. Wolfshade knows all too well about the spamming...But he likes doing it in here...But guess what http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif He is deleted and banned by tim...

So we handle one spammer at a time...And maybe we can keep spam under control?

Jon

[toker]

I dont add my mailing address to all kinds os lists or catalogs therefore i can swear that i get maybe 1 or 2 things a month max in my snail mail. I try to be careful how i use my information and like i said i dont add my private email to any lists.

Also if i pay for it i do have rights dont believe ask isprime if i have any say here..

They are ready to close his account although it will take money from their pockets but they may have to bite the bullet. I hate to do this to them as they seem to be really helpful in the whole matter but like i said sometimes you have to set an example.

[Bill Cosby]

and what kind of example is that?

he will just move his site somewhere else.

your whole little spam nazi plan does not work.

I am not a spammer, but i know it will never be stopped.it makes too much money.Same as snail mail shit in your box..makes way to much money.Same with telemarketing...the government will NEVER close telemarketers down,you know the ones who call during dinner,inbetween an important phone call,while your fucking..etc,and guess what!!! YOU PAY FOR YOUR PHONE LINE!!! OHMY!!!........there would be thousands of people in the unemployement line.

[Jon]

Would ya like me to show ya what we are going thru? http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Its bs argueing over this...Taking care of a spammer...point blank

Jon

[ausboy]

In that case bill, write to the direct marketing association in your country and tell em to fuck off and stop bothering you... I did, and guess what? They don't fucking bother me anymore. Phone or mail.

[toker]

I tell ya what anyone who dont mind spam give me your email and ill send you a disclamier you sign it and i will reply to all spam with please ad this email to your lists and include your email. BTW filtering in outlook is not that simple bacuse the keyword rules might also filter my sponsors emails.

Im done discussing this issue ask tim or the other mods why they delete or move spam on AWI or better yet ask Mr. Wolfshade what happens to spammers on AWI and what rights you have to waste resources. Its not something that can be stopped in 1 day or by 1 person but its the same as the CP issue. It may never end or the US and other Postal service may step in and charge per usage or something and maybe that will stop the average spammers. But we all need to do our part and make a small differance which in the end may do some good.

When i find CP i report it but why should i waste my time i dont have kids why should i care what happens to your kid?

Because im human and if i did have kids i would want them to be safe and live in a fair society. Maybe you dont care about lifes issues and can just sit back and rake in the cash but im not you.

Its something we all need to look at ISPs are discussing this daily and its their TOP Priority to deal with this issue before the Gov steps in and takes control of the entire internet or they have to pay Postal services for using email.

Think before you speak and realize you are no fuckin lawyer so therefore you dont know the laws or how they affect every indivdual in every state and country. Now you might want to get off th subject of law and rights or find out what i do know before you decide to type things that are untrue.

Now go eat your pudding pops and get off my post..!

[shunga]

Adult spam went to a non-adult email address. I think some people are forgetting that.

[candidpublishinginc]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Bill Cosby:
yes candy i am shit talker, i admit.

but i only speak the truth.

And as far as proving myself to you..there is no need to..you are nothing</font>

Keep thinking that champ. Considering that you have nothing to prove, YOU ARE nothing.

We've already proven ourselves and have a large webmaster base. I'd hardly consider that "nothing".

But we know how it is with those jealous webmasters that hate anyone better than them.

[Jon]

I will admit candid is a big part of this board and to webmasters....he actually does respond to each and every email and he doesn't accuse his members of child porn like some companies we do know...Of course it would be rude to mention any names...SMUTCASH SMUTCASH SMUTCASH...SMUTCASH SMUTCASH SMUTCASH...SMUTCASH SMUTCASH SMUTCASH...SMUTCASH SMUTCASH SMUTCASH...SMUTCASH SMUTCASH SMUTCASH...SMUTCASH SMUTCASH SMUTCASH...SMUTCASH SMUTCASH SMUTCASH...So before talking shit to candid check your shit http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

You go candid http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif And another thing candid is a active member of the board but yet he doesn't post about his program ALL the FUCKEN time like some other companies like...SMUTCASH SMUTCASH SMUTCASH...SMUTCASH SMUTCASH SMUTCASH...SMUTCASH SMUTCASH SMUTCASH...SMUTCASH SMUTCASH SMUTCASH...I appreciate him not doing it also http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif its so darn annoying

Jon

[Rose]

toker
I dont know why but you remend me "Don Quichote"
Good luck

[Rose]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Rose:
toker
I dont know why but you remind me "Don Quichote"
Good luck </font>

[magnatique]

you guys take this too far...

the guy runs a business of buying optins... he is not to blame if your e-mail was in there, the guy who sold the list is the one to blame.

real spammers will use their lists over and over, if he uses it once, and believes it's all opt-ins from the contract he had with the seller, then whose to blame?

and Jon, stop talking out of your hat, you don't know *********, did not know him while he used to post here, and do not know the story behind it all...

********* runs a good business in my eyes, and has lots of message boards to help people... he might get some benefits from it, but it's still ressources.
Tim felt he was spamming his programs with those ressources, they had an argument, and instead of just saying OK, let's be friend, ********* started stirring shit like he always does, and tim did not like that... it's both their rights to do what they wanted to, and it does not make one right or wrong.. it's their business...

[pr0view]

toker,

if you really believe that he is spamming, why don't you go and sue him? hmm? you can do nothing by shouting on the boards... only newbies and ppl with lots of free time pay attention to what is written there... take a look at GFY... even AWI is going that way...

so, stop talking, yelling, bitching and *fucking* and do sth if you really believe that you have an issue...

want no spam? seal your PC in concrete and throw it in the ocean http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

if you want to make $$$ in the adult biz, you have to accept it's dark sides...

so, to sum it up: do sth *real* or shut up...

[shane]

no, the person to blame is the person who sent the email

[RacerX]

i've been doing this a long time and prefer to post positive stuff, which is why i rarely post...

last time i saw toker on his high horse it made me go investigate as i normally do and found some interesting things in about 2 minutes that i passed along to the other webmaster involved... i guess that stuff got worked out as the thread ended...

usually, i would leave well enough alone but when i see a quote like this from someone acting so high and mighty i have to call bullshit....

toker: "When i find CP i report it but why should i waste my time i dont have kids why should i care what happens to your kid?

Because im human and if i did have kids i would want them to be safe and live in a fair society. Maybe you dont care about lifes issues and can just sit back and rake in the cash but im not you."

what is this?
http://www8.smutserver.com/amateur/xcoeds/wildteen.html

nice keywords there mr.highandmighty... pretty slick trying to hide them in frames....

[Bill Cosby]

Hmmmm
Is this tokers site?

And he is complaining about some spam?

Toker if this is your site..you suck!
go to hell!
take your BS elswhere.

Toker tell us this isnt true!

[Rose]

WOW.
Underage,lolita,preteen,school virgin...
Nice keywords. He must be really moral person.

[pr0view]

hahaha http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif toker, you naughty naughty big boy... is that page yours? and if it is, how do you dare to show your ugly personality here crying the hell out of you for a spam?

get a life, scumbag and go back to your stinky hole...

you are one REMARKABLE piece of shit...

[toker]

Its a fuckin meta tag get a fuckin clue i dont have one fuckin word on my viewable html that shows such and yes we did talk about this before. I dont care what you think of my or my sites but its funny how we all try to defend the spammer here. What you also fail to realise is these lists he supposedly bought he cant prove where they came from been wating for this info he claimed to have for 3 days now.

Dont make me get into the fuckin meta and underage shit because most every fuckin person including one of the great free hosts is using that same shit.

Lick my ass im not looking to please you and as long as i have no links and noce CP descriptions in my links i will not change shit.

Like i said previously im done with this issue and furthermore all of you assholes can suck my dick. This shit about my meta tags is OLD news waaaayy old news so why any of you bitch all of a sudden is beyond me.

Now dont make me go scribbun thru everyones sites and make a hugh list of people and every dirty trick they play. I have plenty of time to do just that but i know how you guys would join up like pack rats to defend each other.

Anyhow im done with this post...
- The End -

[Rose]

If you ask me what is worse,
sending spam e-mail or using CP description
in meta tags I vote for meta tags.It's sick.

[tmknight]

Ahhhh, the unforeseen twists life takes sometimes.

Moral or immoral? To spam or not to spam? Which meta tags to use? Where did Dr. Dre leave his Kango hat?

Hard questions, for sure.

I only have one borrowed piece of advice to offer..

"Better stay on top or life will kick you in the ass."

- Tommy

[pr0view]

toker - you are one demented and mentally-damaged piece of shit. you admit having CP meta-tags and say "so what"???

you wanna get traffic from all the sick ppl that look for CP? you want them on your pages? and what do your sponsors think about that? hmmm?

anyway, you do need help, man...

[richard]

CP META tags sucks Toker http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif

in my book, in the context of a sponsor's terms, that is "promoting" cp.

[drumsicle]

This guy cries and carries on about some little spam, but feels that references to cp are ok. Gotta wonder about a guy like that.

[Jon]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by magnatique:
Jon, stop talking out of your hat, you don't know *********, did not know him while he used to post here, and do not know the story behind it all...

********* runs a good business in my eyes, and has lots of message boards to help people... he might get some benefits from it, but it's still ressources.
Tim felt he was spamming his programs with those ressources, they had an argument, and instead of just saying OK, let's be friend, ********* started stirring shit like he always does, and tim did not like that... it's both their rights to do what they wanted to, and it does not make one right or wrong.. it's their business...

</font>

Hmm shit out of my hat? I was talking to tim about him so I guess I don't know a fucken thing do I? He started going accross the whole fucken board talking about tgp2 posting his url on every fucken post he could get his hands on but I am sure he runs the best business out there...

It looks like YOU don't know what your talking about because I got my shit straight you might wanna check your own.

Jon

[Bill Cosby]

I dont think toker is still getting it.
Toker what you are doing is at the very bottom of the scum of the net!

Spammers are way above you in regards to what is good and bad.....they look like saints compared to you.

In other words....LOOK IN YOUR OWN BACKYARD BEFORE YOU START THROWING ACCUSATIONS AROUND.
OR..THE CLASSIC:

DONT THROW STONES WHEN YOU LIVE IN A GLASS HOUSE.

[Beaver]

Just like to point out that using these meta tags is NOT promoting CP it is just filtering out idiots that look for it, the more FAKE meta tags that exist make the real shit even harder to find and that's got to be a good thing.
Personally I think it would be a better idea to have that type of word search filtered and spam the bastards to death if they reach your site with that type of search, also it is quite likely that some search engines will reject your site because of the meta content.
My $00.02

[magnatique]

right jon..
just tell me, how long have you been here to notice what's been hapenning?

oh right, not too long it seems.

Dude, I'm not trying to go on a piss match here, but all I see you do lately is bitch at people spamming, bitch at people that someone doesn't like, and so on... most of the cases, you don't even know the individuals, or so it seems..

have you ever had a talk with wolf_shade? have you ever seen what he posted before he got that argument with tim?

what you posted just proves your lack of knowledge of the subject... the problem did not come from the tgp2....

he did spam the tgp2 thing because he knew it would piss tim, even though it's a great project...

Tim and him had problems between each other's views on things, and both did not forget/forgive... that's what happens...

as much as I respect tim's choice, I still think wolf_shade has a word on these matters...

anyways

[lvent]

this is getting lame, can someone close this topic? I am a bad bad person, ok now thats out of our systems, close it.

[DrewKole]

All I gotta say is, that this thread is pretty much pointless, and immature.

I have a hard time taking someone named toker (with alternating "in bluntz we trust") seriously anyways.

Opt-in mailing lists have terms which will allow the selling of your email addy. The whole point of an opt in, is that they prove that they can have adult material sent to them, or "spammed".

Same in some sense with webmaster emails, if they were used to submit, etc.

My suggestion? Stop smoking so much weed, grow up a bit, and learn how to press the delete button in your Outlook Express.

My question? Are you really an adult webmaster? If so, how can you warrant spending all this time complaining, when you could have been making money?

[$tandaman]

The only way to aquire email lists if you have full opt-in information, otherwise you'll get into shit like this.

[toker]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DrewKole:
All I gotta say is, that this thread is pretty much pointless, and immature.

Yes and same for about 50% of the underage webmasters on AWI and the posts that they make. Including the statements you have made in here.

I have a hard time taking someone named toker (with alternating "in bluntz we trust") seriously anyways.

Have i ever asked you to talk to me?

I musta been trashed because i dont remember. I guess you are to stupid to know what a sense of humor is...

Opt-in mailing lists have terms which will allow the selling of your email addy.
Same in some sense with webmaster emails, if they were used to submit, etc.

You are still clueless Mr. Newbee because as i have said time and time again the guy lied. These we not opt-in and he could never provide the source for which he bought them. Furthermore not all opt-in have a such a disclaimer which means they cannot be sold.

My suggestion? Stop smoking so much weed, grow up a bit, and learn how to press the delete button in your Outlook Express.

What i do with my fuckin life is my biz im an adult and yes i smoked weed half my life. If your saying im stupid then you better get a clue and learn more about me NEWBEE. So take your BS to someone who is on you level and all of you who talk shit just to jump on the bandwagon and lick some ass. I dont see many of you worth shit in my view you guys dont show me your mighty sites and bank rolls yet you talk like your swiming in dough. Also most of you sites look like a 5yr olds coloring book and the rest of you are just copy artisits.

My question? Are you really an adult webmaster? If so, how can you warrant spending all this time complaining, when you could have been making money?</font>

Im not here to prove myself to you or anyone else i have spent quite a bit of time on AWI yes and i spend a hell of alot more helping people over ICQ. Guess AWI is pointless since you say im wasting my time so i guess you should take your own advice and go make some bread.

Some of you have made genuine statements and arguments here. Some are totally off target and just to show im not a hypocrite i removed the meta tags. I did not see it as an issue as i was not giving any illegal material or having such links. However it does give people ammunition to attack me but that does not concern me or they would have never been there. The meta tags were removed and only to take away anything you guys have to throw up in my face. With all views taken into account i can see that many could really care less about this biz or anything else but a quick buck.

I have never started a business to make a quick buck and this adult thing to me is a game of marketing. Its not how many sites you own or how much content you have its all about how you promote it. I do many thing besides running a few adult TGPs and CJs but again what i do is my biz and i run it my way.

I notice many newbees have come on here lately and do not post anything worth while just reply to the flames or bullshit. I think before you bitch about what i do with my time you need to look at yourself. None of us is perfect and we all make mistakes and this post was started because a guy made a mistake and i wanted to teach others a lesson.

You think im wrong here you talk to his host and ask them what would hapen if my ISP and i went to their upstream. Someone would be offline and im about 99% positive it would be the spammer.

I respect everyones views and do read them all but i do not respect when people just talk out of their ass. Many of you who come on AWI now days want to get the Big Jerk status however thats not what AWI is about. I never made 2 bullshit posts every 10 mins knocking someone down to get a hugh amount of posts.

Anyhow i think its time for me to back away from AWI for a while and take a little break. Maybe once Tim can see what is happening with all the assholes who flame everyone for any little thing they can find alot of the good guys will return to AWI. We all have our faults but thats the price we pay for being human and learning.

I dunno what its all about anymore but i respect you Tim for making a place to learn and help and to Mag and Rich for doing a pretty fair job dealing with assholes.

Can we please close this post now...? http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[DrewKole]

Erm, great attempt at sounding intelligent Toker, Ill give you that.

Who cares if I'm what you consider a newbie? All I know is, my little 5 second posts, take a lot less time than your "I got spammed, waa waa" posts.

Oh yeah, another redeeming feature of my posts...

They actually make some fucking sense, and have a point....

The point in this one? You're a whining little bitch, who wasted 5 minutes out of too many people's lives on this board.