Is this Steve Goldman Back Yet Again???

[Rimmer]

Compare: http://www.networksolutions.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois?sellyourtraffic.com
and http://www.networksolutions.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois?keelebayltd.com

They seem to be registered both to the same PO Box.

[Rimmer]

BTW I know Rich has an interesting explanation .. Just waiting for him to post it http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[richard]

Gawwwd Tim, leave me alone k? http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Your still pissy because i beat you to #1000, I KNEW IT!

The address that the whois searches show is apparently the offices of a company registering offshore in the BVI.

Thanks for help Tim, i really appreciate it.

Rich.

[Rimmer]

Rich,

Seeing I had to delete the other threads made by other people so that they can get paid I thought I'd repost the info from that thread that appeared most interesting.

I'll let other people make their conclusions.

Oh I forgot one more similarity pointed out in the last thread.
KeelebayLTD = George Masters
Sellyourtraffic = Simon Masters

[Rimmer]

Would you sell to an exit broker that has just registered their very first domain last month?

Would you sell to an exit broker that has no history in adultwebmastering prior to their first domain name registration?

Would you sell to an exit broker with the last name of Masters?

Would you sell to an exit broker that uses the same BVI offshore registration company as Keelebay LTD?

Do you believe that its commercially sustainable to pay 0.7 cents for exit traffic which is 75% more than many established brokers?

[syt]

IS THIS THE RIMMER AGAINST SELLUSTRAFIC THREAD?

IS RIMMER DETERMINED TO POST AS MANY MESSAGES AS POSSIBLE TO TURN WEBMASTERS AGAINST US?

IS THIS JUST RIMMER DELETES THE ORIGINAL THREAD WITH CREDIBLE EVIDENCE FROM THE PEOPLE WHO STARTED A SLANDEROUS HOAX AND NOW A THREAD TO JUST STIR MISCHIEF

WHEN WILL YOU GIVE UP RIMMER?

OR WILL YOU DELETE THIS MESSAGE AND EVERY OTHER MESSAGE THAT SAYS YOU ARE WRONG?

[Rimmer]

I deleted the original threads as per request of the person who started it as they told me they wouldn't be paid by you if the threads stayed.

You also asked me to delete the original thread. An extract from an email I received from you today. I quote:

"They were done in a malicous unsolicitated degrading manner , they are false,
they are damaging, they are causing me loss of business, please remove them."

Feel free to ask them to repost and the threads will not be deleted a 2nd time!

[syt]

Like everything else in this thread you got some of the facts right, like this quote of yours
You also asked me to delete the original thread. An extract from an email I received from you today. I quote:

"They were done in a malicous unsolicitated degrading manner , they are false,
they are damaging, they are causing me loss of business, please remove them."

Who asked you to start a one man crusade to blast sellustraffic in return?

[Rimmer]

From our chat on ICQ you only convinced me more that you're one and the same person as George/Steve. Hence I felt it my duty to pass that info along. Steve/George has cost the webmaster community too much money already. Allowing it to happen a 3rd time is just plain wrong!

[Ride]

syt? go away SCAMMER

Thanks Rimmer!, Keep up the good work.

Ride http://www.the-rock.com/cgi-bin/ucj/ucjadmin.cgi

[syt]

i don't get paid by my clients, i cannot pay my webmasters, this is how the business works. If i cannot deliver traffic, then i do not get paid. This thread is causing me problems with people losing faith with my company, which could ruin things for everyone.

Who wins here? no one, whereas until now all my webmasters have been paid and are happy, why are we doing this

[DemonWolfe]

Thanks for the warning Rimmer.. I will be posting a link to this thread inside:

Titans of Porn
ThumbLords
and NCAW

I know a lot of people got hit by "Stve", and then "KeelebayLTD" and I'm sure they will be most interested in this thread.


Thanks

John
DemonWolfe

PS- RIDE: You linked your admin page http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

[richard]

I believe that SellYourTraffic.com have had 2 payment periods since launching their program.

All webmasters paid and happy.

Do you want to read that last line again?

Sorry, what are we all talking about here? The addresses are the same because two companies are registered to the by the same offshore setup. That is the stuff that Tim extracted from Chris' post before it was wiped.

Read SYT's last post. As far as we all are aware, there have been 2 payment periods, and no-one had been screwed!

I would not have a problem saying "fuck syt" [b]IF[\b] people were coming up here posting [b]their[\b] experiences.

What have we got here? Two addresses the same, already explained. A name the same? Fucking stranger things have happened - dont get all weird on me guys and do all your reverse pyscho stuff, but if the bloke knew Goldman used the alias George Masters would he really have admitted / used this name?

[b]There is no proof to say this is a sponsor cheating people.[\b]

If ever a witch hunt has taken place, this is it.

I still can't believe you are reading the thread and calling the company a cheat.

Like SYT said, if people don't pay him he can't pay his webmasters, if the webmasters don't send, his clients don't pay. What do you think happens with threads like these? Exactly what he said, i couldn't have put it better myself. It is negative publicity.

1) No one has had any problems
2) People HAVE been paid
3) People risk being up a creek with no paddle if everyone leaves the program, or stop sending, or whatever.

Why leave, or not send, when people are being paid??

There is totally no justification for this, just pure flimsy speculation.

Thats my opinion.


Richard.

[magnatique]

I agree with rich... don't judge the swan by his youth appearance..


Yuck, just read myself back, how the hell did I come up with that?

whatever, I wouldn't judge before I saw it myself..

and it's true, I did not want ot have business with that guy because I heard bad stuff from others... but now, if I had to sell exit, I'd consider him maybe... but I do not have exit to sell, so I can't http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif


but tim, did you check the IPs see if they matched or something?

[Rimmer]

Mag,

He got caught on IP's last time so i don't think he'll make that particular mistake again. I think he's running AOL now.

Also how many exit sponsors come along with absolutely no history in the adult webmastering game and start paying 75% more than the competition. Do you really think he'll make enough dollars to pay all his webmasters?

Does it strike you as strange that somebodies first foray into adult webmastering is to become directly an exit traffic broker? He does not have a single domain registered before that date? Sounds like a disappearing act to me because he doesn't look like a newbie.

Remember Steve has already disappeared and reappeared once as Keelebay. So its not like its the first time.

Its also funny that Richard is a supporter of yet another reincarnation of Steve.

Too many coincidences for me to believe anything else.

[Anton P]

Well Rimmer how about this,

No experience?
What about running Exitmoney.com for starters for a long time.

I think thats enough experience for me

Sell Your Traffic

[yoddler]

Got 2 checks from this company, first one was only 297.12 the second one was 431.90

so I don't see what all the bitching and f...ing about is, who gives a rats ass who runs it even if this guy ain't who he says he is, he pays, thats all I give a shit about.

Hope this post here ain't going to get him kicked out of the game because he looses his webmasters,

hell I'm tired of looking for exit sponsors, if it ain't broke why go break it by pissing on him.

sorry if I upset anyone but thats what I say, so noone get made with me on this one.

[banner]

syt + yoddler = goldman ?

[Crysty]

syt,you are Steve/Keele.
And I know this veeery well, and not from online comunity, believe me.
I passed accross your house, I already asked you last night what happened with your last car , a new bmw ? Maybe some of your customers set a little fire? http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Reed]

sellustraffic =
= keelebayltd
= garbagetraffic
= George Masters
= Simon Masters
= Steve Goldman
= syt
= yoddler
= TheBigGuy

This scammer has endless aliases...

[Reed]

sellustraffic = keelebayltd
http://www.sellustraffic.com/signuppage.htm http://www.keelebayltd.com/signuppage.htm


Registrant:
Keele Bay Ltd (KEELEBAYLTD-DOM)
PO Box 146
Wickham's Cay
1 Road Town, Tortola
VG

Domain Name: KEELEBAYLTD.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact, Billing Contact:
Webmaster,Webmaster (WW1103-ORG) keelebayltd@HOTMAIL.COM
Keele Bay Ltd
PO Box 146
Wickham's Cay
1 Road Way, Tortola
VG
8005555555

############################

Registrant:
Trafalgar Marketing Ltd (SELLYOURTRAFFIC-DOM)
PO BOX 146
Wickham's Cay, 1 Road town Tortola
VG

Domain Name: SELLYOURTRAFFIC.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact, Billing Contact:
webmaster,webmaster (WW1416-ORG) Exittraffic@AOL.COM
Trafalgar Marketing Ltd
PO BOX 146
Wickham's cay, 1 road town Tortola
VG
111111111

[Rimmer]

You're probably right banner .. both are using AOL dialup .. but then so is half of the fucking world so it doesn't prove much http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/frown.gif

I'd like to hear what sites you run Yoddler http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif

Excuse my cynicism but we've seen it all before ... TWICE!

[12clicks]

"i don't get paid by my clients, i cannot pay my webmasters, this is how the business works."

you idiots are going to send your traffic to a moron who says this? You deserve whatever you get!

The way this business works is this:
You pay for all honest traffic sent to you. PERIOD. If I don't get paid, it doesn't matter, I pay my webmasters. I don't close the program and come out with a new one.
How long have you people been on the net? unbelievable!
oh, and .7 cents for adult traffic is too much. look at all the guys that couldn't make it at .5

[12clicks]

mikey, too funny!

[BoR]

100% agree
:)

Originally posted by 12clicks:
"i don't get paid by my clients, i cannot pay my webmasters, this is how the business works."

you idiots are going to send your traffic to a moron who says this? You deserve whatever you get!

The way this business works is this:
You pay for all honest traffic sent to you. PERIOD. If I don't get paid, it doesn't matter, I pay my webmasters. I don't close the program and come out with a new one.
How long have you people been on the net? unbelievable!
oh, and .7 cents for adult traffic is too much. look at all the guys that couldn't make it at .5

[Mikey]

http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/confused.gif
Now I am confused?

From above dated 8/27:

i don't get paid by my clients, i cannot pay my webmasters, this is how the business works. If i cannot deliver traffic, then i do not get paid.


From the Spam Board dated 8/26:

we are seriious about paying upto 0.7 Cents for exit traffic, we have the cash we pay on time

http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000180.html

Earlier you had the cash ready to pay everyone for their traffic. The next day, you aren't getting paid by your sponsors? Huh?

[snow]

ouch

[12clicks]

haha

[cyberdon]

i don't get paid by my clients, i cannot pay my webmasters, this is how the business
works. If i cannot deliver traffic, then i do not get paid.

what about if i don't get paid by my sponsor, i don't pay my host for the bw i used??

[magnatique]

cyberdon... this is the way it works, never knew? there's a line in our terms and conditions with ISP that says..

130. if customer do not have cash, it's allright for him not to pay us.

geeze some people are dumb http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/wink.gif http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/tongue.gif

Mag

Ps. when I started, or tried to start a exit brokering thing, we had problems with the buyers.... we lost 6K into that shit, and still paid our guys... but I agree it sucked... but I wasn't on a 250K$ pay roll though =D

[SexClicks]

Who the hell let goldman out of the bag again??????/

As antics will also be posted with SexClicks Link Exchange Members........

[*Chris*]

wont you guys just leave steve goldman alone?

imagine what it is like to be going really well in the exit traffic business, and then some sponsors just BOOTS YOU OUT because of CRAP cj traffic quality???

that leaves steve with NO $$$ , and so how the hell can he pay webmasters?

exactly. he cant. now he has learnt his lesson, and buys virtually no CJ traffic at all, so all his sponsors are happy and now he gets paid!

just leave him alone and give him another chance ok?

the events in the past WERE NOT HIS FAULT, if you wanna blame it on someone , blame it on the first person to make the CJ script.

Steve is a cool guy, just give him a chance!!

Chris

[MrBrian]

chris is right
everyone redirect their traffic to steve asap

[Doctor Dre]

Go shoot yourself !
He probably made big bucks with the other sponsor program so he can suck my **** if he's the same person .

[The Steve Goldman]

Listen up all you losers. And read this carefully, I don't want to repeat myself.


Steve Goldman, and my program garbagetraffic.com never went away, but a lot of good people are still on it and we're all amking money.

Yes the honest webmasters who nevber cheated sent fake hits, image sourced or any other scam they thought of are still with me.

I've seen a lot of so called brokers come and go in the past 2 years, and some losers are still posting here that ripped off people.

All I have to say is I'm in business, I won't accept any cj sites period, now you can give anyone a hardtime you feel like, but if you had half a brain you'd get your facts right.


SO while you're running around writing shit about people I'm paying my webmasters. At last count I had 326 people on board, and guess what no cjers and non care about what anyone says because they're always paid on time and thats what matters.

Take care , LOL

[12clicks]

Well Steve, if thats the case then I better go post on the other boards that your a thief. You stole 5,000.00 from us. Pure and simple. No mistake in traffic no nothing. You've scammed people for as long as you've been here, period.

OK, I'm off to the other boards to warn them. http://adultwebmasterinfo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Doctor Dre]

The Steve Goldman
that mean evrebody cheated your program ??